The Windows 8 and other failed Microsoft products thread - Windows 8 "relaunches" Feb

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inb4 jcap is mad

runnin it right now, pain in the ass not having the traditional start menu, finding stuff is confusing.

Been using it for an hour or so now. Oh my god is this a piece of shit or what?

yah i already booted back into windows.

only good for tablet pcs.

It's ok but yeah I need a tablet to try this out on

How different is it from the last one they released?

Now that it's officially in beta, all complaints are valid and can't be excused any longer.

First off, I want to just say that they haven't fixed jack shit since the developer preview, and this operating system sucks even more now than it did then.

All they have continued to do is FUCK with the status quo and standard functions you would expect of an operating system

Don't like metro? FUCK YOU. You're stuck with it, you're forced to use it, you can't escape it.

The control panel is now officially split in half - half desktop, half metro. You cannot do 100% of anything in either. What the fuck is this load of shit?

All UI items are now hidden from view. You must move the mouse to a corner of your monitor and hold it there for a second, wait for the menu to pop up, and sometimes (like with task switching) you need to make a cryptic mouse gestures to be able to see all your running applications. The corner of your screen is actually a 5px square. What if you have multiple monitors and you don't actually have any corners of your screen to "nest" the mouse in? HAHA go fuck yourself single monitors are superior in Windows 8.

If you accidentally find yourself thrown into metro, the escape key is your friend. Otherwise, there's no area out unless you use the stupid corner bullshit.

The button to shut down your computer is located under a hidden "Settings" menu.

You still can't have metro applications in regular desktop windows.

You absolutely MUST have a Microsoft Account (a Windows Live ID) to be able to use any apps that require authentication. Yeah. Wow. You can't have a Live ID associated with a local account...you actually need to switch your ENTIRE user profile to a Microsoft account. Don't like it? TOUGH SHIT!

Microsoft considers this to be innovative and "fast and fluid." I consider it to be a flop, a disconnection with its users, a disassociation of their existing brand, and a total clusterfuck of an operating system.

This operating system is hardly intuitive. Microsoft claims it's intuitive. It's the complete opposite. Microsoft tried to make it simple - and for using a single app it is - but at the same time it's way too complicated. If it takes a 10 minute video to explain how to perform basic functions such as task switching to your users who have been using Windows for 15 years, you lost sight of your ease of use objective way back! Swiping mouse gestures and hidden menus is not intuitive.

"Let's hide all the interface buttons everyone is familiar with so no one knows how2use computar or where they are so they are stuck in a single application indefinitely!!!!!"
"THAT'S BRILLIANT YOU SHOULD CLEARLY BE CEO!"

Microsoft might as well just rebrand this OS too "Window" 8.

Steve Sinofsky needs to choke on a million dicks and get fucked. That asshole doesn't deserve his current position or to be next in line for CEO. He and Ballmer have utterly destroyed Windows and the company as a whole. I just hope the board members grow the balls to fire those two fucking cunts. If IE's history is anything to go by, maybe they'll finally do something when Windows has only 40% market share left.

this will bomb.

"Apps" "Apps" "Gesture" "Cloud" "App" "Apps"

if they try to force this down everybody's throats like they did with vista, I'm switching to ubuntu 10.04 as my full time OS

I'll just stick to W7 as my full time OS. Like millions of people decided to do with XP when everyone bitched about Vista.

If we all work together (everyone, not just Modacity), maybe we can spread enough hate and bad news about Windows 8 to give it a terrible reputation before launch. Ballmer is rumored to retire after Windows 8's release. He thinks it's going to be successful so he'll leave on a high note, at which point Sinofsky will take over. Sinofsky is the bastard who destroyed Windows. Windows 8 basically NEEDS to be a collossal failure. If Windows 8 trips and falls flat on its face as it exits the gate, there may be enough pressure put on Microsoft by the press and its general customers to ditch the upper management and hire people who are actually competent.

You know you're missing your target when Mac users say:

"... and this is why I use a Mac. This new Windows looks awful from a user experience standpoint."

Out of curiousity I went over to /g/ on 4chan to see what they all had to say.



They are not happy.

Anyone have any gifs that mock the state of Windows 8 right now?

You know, like the ones about Ubisoft and DRM, etc.

Ahahaha jcap, when I scrolled down and saw a long post <3

It's becoming a rule of thumb:- if the current version of windows is decent, you can expect the next one to suck ass.

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yah i already booted back into windows.

only good for tablet pcs.

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don't insult real tablet PCs like the lenovo thinkpads with their awesome pens - which work much better on normal desktop UIs anyway.

it's only good for those "oversized smartphone" type of tablets which I absolutely have no use for. Tablet =/= tablet PC, just as finger =/= stylus

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Originally Posted by jcap

If we all work together (everyone, not just Modacity), maybe we can spread enough hate and bad news about Windows 8 to give it a terrible reputation before launch. Ballmer is rumored to retire after Windows 8's release. He thinks it's going to be successful so he'll leave on a high note, at which point Sinofsky will take over. Sinofsky is the bastard who destroyed Windows. Windows 8 basically NEEDS to be a collossal failure. If Windows 8 trips and falls flat on its face as it exits the gate, there may be enough pressure put on Microsoft by the press and its general customers to ditch the upper management and hire people who are actually competent.

You know you're missing your target when Mac users say:

"... and this is why I use a Mac. This new Windows looks awful from a user experience standpoint."

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Won't it be a massive success just based on the fact that anyone buying a prebuilt desktop or laptop will be forced to use it?

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If IE's history is anything to go by, maybe they'll finally do something when Windows has only 40% market share left.

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haha THIS. I heard IE9 is an improvement but the reputation is so bad that it's way too late to convince people to switch back. Even my grandma is aware enough to open IE just once to download a new browser and never touch it again.

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Originally Posted by Mr Buckshot

don't insult real tablet PCs like the lenovo thinkpads with their awesome pens - which work much better on normal desktop UIs anyway.

it's only good for those "oversized smartphone" type of tablets which I absolutely have no use for. Tablet =/= tablet PC, just as finger =/= stylus

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yeah this. I've got an HP TX 2510us and it's stylus is fantastic.

I'd never use that shit with windows 8 though

The problem is, too much focus has been put onto tablet computing, and they arent talking it like Windows 7: Tablet Version! No instead they want everyone to use it - its not going to happen.

He spent about 40 seconds mentioning 2 features of 'proper' windows that are of any interest - task manager and file copy. Okay I liked those bits but is that all Windows 8 has to offer? Is that the best new thing? Come on Microsoft.

Power users have been kicked in the balls regarding Windows 8, I dont even class it as a new version. To me Windows 8 is like Windows ME. It was Windows 95 after drinking a Redbull, a few new tweaks but not worthy of a new version.

I thought the rule of thumb was that every second OS was shit?

2000 - Good.
ME - Shit.
XP - Good.
Vista- Shit.
7 - Good.
8 - Shit.

Halo 4 PC

Windows 8 exclusive!

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Originally Posted by Cortexian

I thought the rule of thumb was that every second OS was shit?

2000 - Good.
ME - Shit.
XP - Good.
Vista- Shit.
7 - Good.
8 - Shit.

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^^ despite my frustration with windows 8, I always knew that was true. It's just that I thought they would have learned after the failure that was vista and the massive success that was 7.

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Originally Posted by JackalStomper

Halo 3 PC

Windows 8 exclusive!

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People would crack it to work with 7 like they did with Halo 2 and XP.

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He spent about 40 seconds mentioning 2 features of 'proper' windows that are of any interest - task manager and file copy. Okay I liked those bits but is that all Windows 8 has to offer? Is that the best new thing? Come on Microsoft.

Power users have been kicked in the balls regarding Windows 8, I dont even class it as a new version. To me Windows 8 is like Windows ME. It was Windows 95 after drinking a Redbull, a few new tweaks but not worthy of a new version.

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They also lowered the startup memory usage from about 400 MB to 230 MB. Pretty huge cut. There's only about 30 processes when you start Windows now, which is impressive. But, I don't give a shit! My current computer which I built 4 years ago has 8 GB of RAM in it. My next one will have 32 GB of RAM in it. Who gives a flying shit about 200 MB of freed RAM? That would have been nice when Vista was released, but every computer ships with a minimum of 4 or 6 GB of RAM now, even the bottom of the line models.

Also, it's not just power users who were hurt. It's all users. I keep saying (and look in the other Windows 8 thread where we were talking about the logo) that Microsoft is making Windows more difficult to use for everyone. It's different. Users don't like different. If someone who has been using windows for 17 years sits down at a computer and doesn't know how to switch between open Windows, they aren't going to learn it. When I first tried the dev preview months ago, I got fed up within 30 seconds. Then I spent several more minutes looking for just how to perform a simple shutdown!

Unfortunately, I think the press is going to hype up the release of Windows 8. Either they are getting paid off, or they haven't used it and they are just restating all of Microsoft's own propaganda. Windows 8 will probably be a huge hit on launch, and within a week, consumers are going to be wondering what the fuck "broke" their new computer and it's going to become a flop overnight. I'd prefer to see it flop on launch, however.

The reasons I'm skipping Windows 8 are the same reasons I can't stand using OSX:

• Everything is so stupid-friendly that it's unintuitive to power users.
• The interface is clunky and hard to get used to coming from [real] Windows.
• Emphasis is obviously on form over function in the UI.

The key is to get rid of metro on the desktop. It serves no purpose. It's confusing, it's counter-intuitive, it’s crippling, it's useless.

The modern control panel is a bitch to use. I actually do like the split view. It reminds me of the Android Honeycomb/ICS settings screen. The new control panel is a massive waste of space when full screen. The text is huge, there’s a ton of padding on everything, and you need to scroll if you want more than 4 options in the right pane of the control panel. However, my complaint about the new control panel isn’t just about the layout, but also about the division between desktop and metro, and the fact that it’s metro. The control panel should be one place, not two. I shouldn’t need two different UIs to configure something as simple as user accounts. And I ESPECIALLY shouldn’t be forced into metro if I’m in the desktop. It’s insane that making a minor change now throws you into a full screen control panel. Why can’t the control panel just be offered in a Window, all in one place with the same layout?

One of my biggest complaints about metro is the unfriendliness of it all. For example, hidden controls. Something that is not visible is not intuitive. Accessing menus shouldn’t take cryptic mouse gestures swapping in from the side, or dragging, or moving and holding the mouse to small and invisible hot spots. My biggest complaint is the constant shoving of itself in your face. Open an MP3? METRO! Open a picture? METRO! Control panel? METRO! Worst of all, they are difficult to get out of! If I get thrown into the picture viewer, I can’t just press a back button or escape to close it and return to where I was! I need to use the top left hot corner, which makes no sense whatsoever. Why does Windows INSIST on forcing me back into the metro environment when I’m using the desktop? The UI is just an inconsistent messy experience. PLEASE keep them separate!

I use the start button daily. I use it to get everywhere in my OS. It’s visibly there, it’s big (unlike a tiny 10px corner), and everything can be accessed from there. You may say, “The new start screen does the same thing!” Yeah, it helps you get to programs, but the distance I need to move my mouse increases by about 20x to get from the left corner, to the scroll bar, to the rightmost tile icon. That may sound like a minor issue, but it’s still a valid point. More importantly, however, the start menu is also the place that all applications install to. I have 147 items in my start menu right now. I don’t want 147 little squares filling up my start screen. That’s not even including help files, uninstallers, and alternate 64-bit versions of the same program. Another VERY major problem is the fact that you can’t quickly escape the start screen. If you click on the start menu in Windows 7, you can simply click elsewhere to close it. With Windows 8, you don’t even have a button to click to close the start menu, so you either have to use the hot corner (pain in the ass), click the desktop, or press escape or the win key (shouldn’t be necessary). It would be nice if clicking in blank background space closed the start screen if accessed from the taskbar. At the very least, the start button should be added back, even if the new start screen stays in.


The bastardized child of metro and the start menu.

Above all, the reason we need a button is because the corner sucks. As someone already mentioned (and as I’ve been saying since it was revealed the button was being removed), having multiple monitors makes corners useless. There are no edges you can snap a mouse to. It requires extreme precision to get into the corner. If you’re using multiple monitors, a VM, or remote desktop, using hot corners is a pain in the ass. I’m beginning to wonder if the implications of these terrible ideas are even thought out before they are implemented?

I'm not the only one who says this. I've asked friends, my parents, and coworkers, and the general consensus is that it's a disaster. Even judging from the upvotes/downvotes on posts, you can see that there is a lot of disagreement with the direction of Windows. Not everyone will like direction Windows is headed. However, when the opinions are torn and at least half of the user base is complaining, the problem isn’t the users, but it’s the developers. Change needs to happen. Apple has been improving their desktop experience every year for the past 10 years. The changes to Windows 8 are worst form they could come in. It should set off alarms when even Mac users are laughing at the Windows 8 “improvements.” As I said before, the changes so far are confusing, counter-intuitive, and crippling.

But hey, if Microsoft isn't going to fix all workflow issues that are the result of metro, at least I can give my thanks in advance for all the work I'll receive when I need to downgrade all computers to Windows 7!

MY GOLDEN ADVICE

Check out this video:


http://www.ubuntu.com/devices/android

This is pretty incredible, in my opinion. This shows how the true unification of mobile and desktop should be done. It’s seamless change, it’s functional, it’s perfect. Keep in mind, this is free and open source software running on hacked hardware. On the other hand, Windows 8 is paid, closed source software shipping on specially manufactured hardware from vendors. The mobile Ubuntu desktop shown in this video is what I would have expected of a product like Windows 8. It’s superior in practically every way, and yet Windows 8 fails to parallel the experience. If Microsoft truly wanted to innovate with Windows, they should have isolated metro to phones and tablets (with desktop optional), which would immediately switch to the fully-featured familiar Windows desktop when docked. It would truly be revolutionary, miles ahead of anything Apple and Google offers. Given the history and current state of Windows, I don’t expect to see Microsoft beating anyone else to the table with this concept.

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bzzbzzbzz

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https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/_W...zqAvI/6Tdo.gif

Needless to say I won't be touching this OS. Not even with a long pointy stick.

Dammit Timo, what movie/show is that from

That's obviously from a porno.

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Originally Posted by Kornman00

Dammit Timo, what movie/show is that from

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White Chicks, Terry Crew was hilarious in the film.



Full scenes

FYI, the word inside Microsoft is that they don't give a shit if half of their users don't like the Windows 8 experience. The metro integration is permanent, and absolutely will not be reverted under any circumstances. Any anti-metro feedback, including feedback on how to lessen the intrusion of metro into the normal desktop, is not even being considered.

The thing that really worries me most is that the writing is on the wall for the failure of Windows 8, and they are completely ignoring it.

It's official. This thread is now about Terry Crews.

Maybe they should wait, I don't know, more than two years before releasing another OS? Isn't Windows 7 good enough for them for at least 4 years?

ubuntu for android is going to be absolutely fucking phenomenal. I can't wait... and it's going to be fucking free. I'm still not too happy with the new Unity desktop from the little I've used it, Gnome was superior in every way.

and, you know, after thinking about it for a bit, I've come to realize that windows 8 may work reasonably well with devices such as the ASUS EP121.

this thing.




Call it the whole "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" perspective, but tablet PCs are far more versatile than devices like the iPad and even android tablets, and that's coming from a droid user. Windows 8 may be just what Microsoft needs to drag the spotlight away from apple trying to monopolize the tablet market and give users a more flexible experience.

right now though, their UI is absolutely horrendous, and their obsession with spouting the word "app" everywhere is pretty disgusting.

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and their obsession with spouting the word "app" everywhere is pretty disgusting.

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Problem is, they're trying to market to the masses, so catchphrases will get tossed more than a hot potato with aids


Now can we please get back on topic guys? Terry Crews, go

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Originally Posted by t3h m00kz

if they try to force this down everybody's throats like they did with vista,

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what? why would you get mad if they repeated (they won't) vista and forced a damned good operating system down people's throats :]

Also fuck ubuntu, kubuntu is so much better than that piece of trash.

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yeah this. I've got an HP TX 2510us and it's stylus is fantastic.

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the pc is great aside from the part where it burns itself out within two years of regular use because the cpu runs at 100c :]

windows 8 will have a KILL switch allowing MS to remotely delete shit from your pc.


http://vigilantcitizen.com/latestnew...a-kill-switch/

If this is the direction Windows intends to take going into the future, it may be time to invest myself in learning to use a Linux OS.

XP supremacy.

Is this a turning point for linux-based systems? What has hold me back so far is driver support, the new ubuntu unity bar, and lack of game support.

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XP supremacy.

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windows 7 supremacy!

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windows 7 supremacy!

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Is this a turning point for linux-based systems? What has hold me back so far is driver support, the new ubuntu unity bar, and lack of game support.

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Kubuntu.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KDE_Plasma_Desktop

Lightyears ahead of Ubuntu in ui.

Kubuntu is being discontinued as an official, Canonical-supported version of their OS. Which sucks. I like Kubuntu. :(

As far as Windows 8 is concerned:

They should have made Metro an optional shell instead of the classic explorer.exe (metro.exe?). For the traditional desktop, they could have given it a look that complements the Metro interface with its aesthetic, but maintains the same functionality we have all been familiar with for years. I would like Windows 8 on a tablet PC like the EP121 or the Series 7 Slate, but on anything else...I'll pass.

Also, if they are going to use a rapid-release schedule, then NEED to lower the price of their OS. The guy who just spend $200-$300 on a new OS is not going to be inclined to do so after only two or three years of use, especially when the operating paradigm is such a radical departure. Make it $50-$100 or, better yet, do what Apple does and make it a $30 upgrade.

Goodbye Start!

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Originally Posted by Warsaw

Kubuntu is being discontinued as an official, Canonical-supported version of their OS. Which sucks. I like Kubuntu. :(

As far as Windows 8 is concerned:

They should have made Metro an optional shell instead of the classic explorer.exe (metro.exe?). For the traditional desktop, they could have given it a look that complements the Metro interface with its aesthetic, but maintains the same functionality we have all been familiar with for years. I would like Windows 8 on a tablet PC like the EP121 or the Series 7 Slate, but on anything else...I'll pass.

Also, if they are going to use a rapid-release schedule, then NEED to lower the price of their OS. The guy who just spend $200-$300 on a new OS is not going to be inclined to do so after only two or three years of use, especially when the operating paradigm is such a radical departure. Make it $50-$100 or, better yet, do what Apple does and make it a $30 upgrade.

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contrary to popular belief, anyone at least semi-savvy about computers can get "free" windows and receive full updates etc without any sort of negative impact on their experiences. I've heard lower-end computer shops in South American and Asian markets will sell laptops without any OS installed at all (saving at least $200 over a stateside model in the process), and then sell a burned DVD of Windows 7 for less than $1. I myself used this method for a while until I realized my school gave out legit Professional windows 7 on MSDN, so I switched to that since my tuition fees technically paid for it. To this day I still haven't found any way in which the non-legit Windows could screw me over.

As for the Apple thing, the $30 upgrade thing works because Apple's a hardware company and makes most of its profit from the overpriced Mac hardware. MS is primarily software, the only cut they get from any new computer sold is the preinstalled OS, and thus it doesn't make sense for them to price it so low.

I have three copies of Windows 7 I got with my school email for $30 each while Microsoft had the student discount. I pretty much am expecting the same thing for Windows 8.

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contrary to popular belief, anyone at least semi-savvy about computers can get "free" windows and receive full updates etc without any sort of negative impact on their experiences. I've heard lower-end computer shops in South American and Asian markets will sell laptops without any OS installed at all (saving at least $200 over a stateside model in the process), and then sell a burned DVD of Windows 7 for less than $1. I myself used this method for a while until I realized my school gave out legit Professional windows 7 on MSDN, so I switched to that since my tuition fees technically paid for it. To this day I still haven't found any way in which the non-legit Windows could screw me over.

As for the Apple thing, the $30 upgrade thing works because Apple's a hardware company and makes most of its profit from the overpriced Mac hardware. MS is primarily software, the only cut they get from any new computer sold is the preinstalled OS, and thus it doesn't make sense for them to price it so low.

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But the majority of computer users aren't tech-savvy at all, so that is irrelevant. I mean, sure, I got my Windows 7 for free, but not everybody can do that or knows how to do that.

Microsoft also likely makes more than Apple does on the OS just through sheer volume of PC sales. To say they can't afford to lower the price on the boxed editions is completely ridiculous.

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I have three copies of Windows 7 I got with my school email for $30 each while Microsoft had the student discount. I pretty much am expecting the same thing for Windows 8.

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I hope you don't mean you're planning to upgrade downgrade.

I am. I'm looking forward to Windows 8. Probably not so much on my desktop. But I've rather enjoyed it on my laptop.

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Originally Posted by Kornman00

Problem is, they're trying to market to the masses, so catchphrases will get tossed more than a hot potato with aids

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brb patenting "hot potato with aids"

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Originally Posted by Rainbow Dash

Also fuck ubuntu, kubuntu is so much better than that piece of trash.

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no experience with kubuntu so no opinion. ubuntu 10.04 works great for me though

Not happy with the new Unity shell. Gnome 2 was where it's at, I don't know why the fuck they tried to fix what wasn't broken. Gnome 3 is also incompatible with tons of the applets I used..

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the pc is great aside from the part where it burns itself out within two years of regular use because the cpu runs at 100c :

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Had mine for over two years, still works as fine as ever. overheats like a bitch, normally but nothing this couldn't handle:

http://news.cnet.com/i/bto/20070322/belkin.jpg

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I am. I'm looking forward to Windows 8. Probably not so much on my desktop. But I've rather enjoyed it on my laptop.

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Is your laptop a tablet/touchscreen one? That would explain it.

If not, wtf is wrong with you??

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Had mine for over two years, still works as fine as ever. overheats like a bitch, normally but nothing this couldn't handle:

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Kinda hard to hold it and draw with that lol. If you still have Vista or Seven on it, you could cap the cpu at 50% using windows power plans, and I found that kept it around 50c when mine still worked.

Also you should definitely check out Kubuntu, the ui is way better than Gnome 2, and lightyears ahead of that piece of shit unity.

No. It's an M11X r2 And Windows 8 is fast, and fun. And with a touchpad most of the touch controls work. It's not as awkward and pointless as actually using a mouse. That's just me though. I'll be getting Windows 8. Although. I was a big fan of Vista when it came out too and used it clear till Windows 7. I hated XP with a passion. So much so that I used Ubuntu for a long time.

I had this idea a few days ago while using Windows 8. I hate the start screen. I hate how it's full screen and covers everything you're doing. I hate how you can't click anywhere to close the start menu. I hate how when you run a search, it breaks the search into 3 categories which must be manually clicked through.

Windows 8 has a fly-in metro panel that flies in from the right and covers a small portion of the screen. This panel appears when you want to view your network connections, or when you click the "settings" button in the charm bar. Here's a picture:



I've always been a fan of small fly-in menus. While talking about how much I hate Windows 8's UI problems in IRC, I suggested possibly bringing back the start menu as a fly-in panel. I got to work in Photoshop, and came up with this:



The idea is that it offers you the features of metro including live tiles and full Start customization, but without the intrusiveness. The start panel would be accessed from the start button or Windows key. The tiles would be the same exact tiles that are on your main start screen (http://i.imgur.com/ir35x.jpg), but instead of the columns being arranged side-by-side, they would be stacked on top of each other. Since the panel only takes up a small section of the screen, you can easily click away to close it, and it doesn't cover anything you may be working on. The tiles are also touchscreen friendly, just as much as a smart phone or the normal start screen. The only thing I haven't thought of is a quick way to get from the start menu to the full start screen.

One feature I LOVE about Windows 7 is the ability to launch programs just by typing their name into the search. Windows 8 improves this by making the search faster, however it also is a problem. The problem, as I mentioned, is that the search results are broken up into 3 categories now: apps, settings, and files. If you need to get to an applet in the control panel, such as UAC or Printers, it used to be as simple as typing "UAC" and pressing enter. In Windows 8, you need to click on "Settings" first, then you can click on the item you want. It's an extra step, but for giving directions or everyday tasks, it's a real pain.

Since I love the search and I use it most often, I don't want it filling up the screen either. Just like in the main start screen, typing will initiate a search. However, this search would be like the Windows 7 search. It would search apps first, then if no apps are found it searches settings, and finally it searches files. The exact number of search results would depend on the screen resolution and final UI tweaks, of course. However, in Windows 7, only 3 items from both programs and settings are displayed in the search, so I followed the same pattern here. Limiting the results to 3 items each is very reasonable, since the vast majority of the time you will want the top result. If no apps are found, it would default to the top item under settings, so there would be no need to click on any search categories. Simply typing "UAC" and pressing enter would work. Also, clicking "see all x results" would bring you to the full screen search results.




What do you guys think?

http://fc03.deviantart.net/fs70/i/20...pp-d39ckxz.png

My desktop from before my previous new computer fried. I would love if they did that. Make the bar on the side essentially an uber-version of Windows Phone that can control settings and launch programs and leave the bar on the bottom for window management.

Wait a minute...that's Unity isn't it...

Windows 8 has the ugliest whore of a UI I have ever fucking seen.

even windows vista is better than this shit

All I can say is thank god I'm a Mac user. The fact I can say one of the killer features OSX has over W8 is that we have a dock with icons on it, and when you click those icons it brings you to whatever app you click on is just sad....

I LOVE HATING THINGS

http://i.imgur.com/36efB.jpg

HATING THINGS MAKES ME LOOK SO COOL

You guys never said what you thought about my UI changes...

I'm wondering if I should even bring more attention to it on like reddit or some windows circlejerk site.

I still need to know how you think the start menu and start screen should be brought up, though.

I may be mistaken, but I heard that there is a program that will revert the windows 8 UI to a windows 7 look.

Fake edit: apparently if you Google how to disable the Metro UI, lots of different ways come up. Any one try doing so?

My personal concern is that with the changes being bandied around that Microsoft are going to freeze users out of the ability to customise their experience with the exception of minor stuff and remove our ability to use the computer as we see fit.

I forsee a computer with fixed choices and apps that only Microsoft approves of and short of programming removes our ability to "fiddle with things".
I am not happy with the idea of a one size one interface one style fits all as That removes about 85% of what I now chose to use the computer for.

It is not unlike how cars are modified and improved or any other similar endeavor where an individual may attempt to change and acheive a new vision of an old idea.

After all that is in a sense where the computer came from...

New is great if it leaves our choices and options open ended. New is bad in my book if it cuts the populace off from that avenue of discovery and self expression.

The new underlying platform requires apps to be reconstructed or translated if you would...

I wonder if all the toys we play with now will be taken from us more in an effort to control the supply and demand than in the efforts of" Improvement for the sake of improvement"...

We live in an age of great possibilities in spite of the great problems that come "hand in baggage".

I would hate to see this age become the last age, where great ideas and exploration and assimilation of knowledge is freely allowed.

Just a thought.....

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I like Nickleback.
That's a joke. I'm not fond of their music, but I don't outright hate them.

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You guys never said what you thought about my UI changes...

I'm wondering if I should even bring more attention to it on like reddit or some windows circlejerk site.

I still need to know how you think the start menu and start screen should be brought up, though.

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Nothing can save Metro integration for the desktop PC.

Hey, looks what I found: The Metro hater's guide to customizing Windows 8 Consumer Preview by good old Ed Bott. I haven't read it yet so I don't know exactly how well this addresses our concerns, but I generally find his writing useful.

This is all bullshit. Third party hacks should absolutely never be required to achieve basic functionality out of an operating system. In fact, essentially ANY customization that's required for basic function that isn't default, even if it's built-in, is inexcusable. If I wanted an operating system that required me to spend a day fiddling with and tweaking the UI, I'd use a minimal Linux distro. But I don't. And even if I get the environment set up the way I like it on my computer, my sisters', parents', workplace, friends', cousins', and test environment computers are not going to have the same customizations.

3rd party tweaks? Fuck that. I thought it was all done in the OS.

Oh, all of his suggestions are done within the OS. But it hardly makes it better. He's just talking about basic customization. It doesn't include getting an actual start button, and it doesn't fix the problem of every computer you sit down at being a clusterfuck.

http://www.stardock.com/products/start8/

Yeah, that's probably going to be the last ditch effort if you are ever forced to use W8 on a personal device. However, as I said before, any third party "solutions" are hardly an acceptable excuse for metro.

Microsoft needs to add is a dialog to the installer, asking "Are you installing Windows 8 on a touch-enabled device?" and if the answer is checked-off as no, then it should give the user the traditional desktop, with optional Metro.

If I was a the CEO of a company and I saw this, I would demand the resignation of all managers and executives and then put an indefinite hold on all future windows plans. The end of the video says it all.

Too bad Ballmer is asleep at the wheel.

Wow. Thats just pathetic. At least people can look and figure out how a PC works right now. Thats just completely disgusting.

it doesn't help that hes completely blind.

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Now. I would like to say that I understand the purpose.

HOWEVER. I still find people today who can't even operate XP or people who are still on Windows 98 (True Story). So I don't really see how this applies. The only thing that bugged me was when he went "Oh this is like what I had". Which means he's totally used to Windows 7.

$10 says Windows brings back the start menu before official launch. Either that or they add the button back like there was in the developer preview.

Seriously, OSX is more intuitive than the POS that is Windows 8. I'm a Windows power user and I know my way around OSX well enough, Windows 8 is seriously flawed when both the AVERAGE CONSUMER and previously EXPERIENCED POWER USER can't even figure out how to work the basic operating system.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...;v=v4boTbv9_nU

Look up about 5 posts Amit lol.

It deserves a repost, but not that fast Amit!

Stop it Amit!

Stop it!

Holy shit. I don't even bother reading posts in this thread anymore. When I find something relevant I just drive by post. I didn't even look up lol.

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fucking using this expression from now on :lol:.

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Something doesn't look right though.

Oversimplified colours and too much blue. God Windows 8 is ugly even when it's in Windows 7 UI mode.

Wait, what? That's changeable in the "Personalize" menu, man. Assuming it's still there, that is.

It is.

I'm not sure what Amit is on a rant about. It looks exactly like Windows 7.

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Where is the 'Show Desktop' button that I always use... :mech3:

It's on your keyboard. Windows Key + D

Press it again to recall open windows. Magic.

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Why don't they just take the Windows button away then. :(

If their true intention is to destroy ease of use with their operating system, that may be the next step.

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This made me lol. I <3 you Hooded Smack

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I'm not sure what Amit is on a rant about. It looks exactly like Windows 7.

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Wait, it's the Windows 8 desktop background that is polluting the UI.

hi thread

http://www.itwriting.com/blog/5581-c...r-preview.html

bye thread

We can mark off Windows 8, then? Good riddance.

Doubtful that Microsoft will change course. Why do that when they can make money by selling Windows 9 as the fix to Windows 8?

Sad, really, because 8 is my favourite number. :smith:

I'm just waiting for Windows 10. Because we all know that OSX will still be OSX by then, but on "Zebra" or something. And then Apple will try to sue Windows. So my guess is Windows 10 will actually have a name.

zOS, go!

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hi thread

http://www.itwriting.com/blog/5581-c...r-preview.html

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Gotta disagree with one of the comments:

In 17 years of using Windows I have never used the Windows key. Interestingly I’ve never seen any user of a computer use the Windows key. I don’t want to learn and remember key combinations to do things that I can currently do trivially using the start menu.


I use the Windows key multiple times a day, to lock my PC (key + L) and to show desktop (key +D) and also in W7 to move screens across windows, full screen them etc.

Glad MS are getting a ton of backlash.

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Oh, forgot to mention this earlier:

That's an even-numbered release. Going by Microsoft's track record and assuming Windows 9 will be a http://a323.yahoofs.com/coreid/4e2d0...AoNtSBPblDfwb2 success, Windows 10 will suck.

I secretly hope Microsoft will still plow ahead with raping Windows.

The more bad changes there are, the more likely any one person will hate the entire OS because it changed something they liked. At least then there won't be mixed feelings and "well, it's not so bad if I just disable it" opinions.