Rep system functionality

Fuck you, this gets its own thread now that the other one is redundant.

The rep system as it stands now is pretty worthless. If all you can do is give rep, and you can't even disable your own (!), what's the point? If the idea was to stop abuse and circle jerks, well that's not happening. Trusting the staff with -rep but then not letting the rest of us do it is insulting and invites abuse from people who already have plenty of power. The difference is that it's a lot more noticeable when they abuse their banning and editing powers than when they decide to abuse rep.

There was never a problem with abuse. A handful of really shitty posters made some terrible forum drama threads (a rather serious violation of the AUP from what I recall?) and it fizzled out. Oh no. Retaliatory rep wasn't much of a thing since you only take half what you give, and even when it did become a thing, the better posters would naturally rise to the top and be able to beat out shitty whiny posters so they wouldn't even have the rep power to retaliate. It was a perfectly fine self-regulating system, all you guys had to do was actually enforce the rules so maybe I guess I can see where the problem was.

If you aren't going to let us have the same powers you are, here are some solutions:

1. Remove your own ability to -rep as well
2. Make users able to disable their rep (why this doesn't appear to be an option is beyond me)
3. Remove rep entirely again until such time as you decide to implement it properly, not in some half-ass mollycoddling way that makes it pointless in the first place.

Hope this helps.

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rep's fucking serious as shit

e: but yeah I agree, they can already infract, and that should be the only way to reduce rep if none of us can. I'd prefer that.

good thing my life revolves around some green bars

This is why we can't have nice things...

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good thing my life revolves around some green bars

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Actually it does...It's called money.

a note to all users who can give -rep: join irc for a briefing on the campaign to stop rossmum posting. thank u and good lukc

the final solution to the rossmum problem

i respect where youre coming from here ross, and your points are perfectly valid. the only issue is that at this point, rep doesnt seem to even matter. im sure im not the only one who noticed it was re-enabled and thought "lol, rep. i remember that". it now serves more of a novelty purpose than an actual deterrent to shit posting. anybody still frequenting this site thats going to cause drama will not be threatened by an impending -rep bomb, because of the novelty nature of it.

basically, at this point, im assuming the people who refrain from shit posting do so out of respect for everyone else, and those who do shit post are established members doing it for the lols, so the -rep wont even matter to them.

E: that said, were this still an active modding site with a steady influx of new members, i would be totally on board with your points.

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Originally Posted by KingFisher

Actually it does...It's called money.

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hmm actually...no.

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i agree with your points, but an unserious forum needs an unserious system

Christ ross it's just for a bit of fun man nobody cares anymore

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I CARE OKAY :smith:

if it's going to be a comedy thing, surely the comedy would be better if we can bomb people, right?

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But in all honesty I agree with rossmum. Full functionality for everyone or none for anyone.

wow.
the internet is some serious bussiness.
Also, yeah it was a system that got abused. Not with individuals, but generally by large rep rings led by you that would bomb newer people and generally cause problems as a result.
Yeah, you would only take away half of what you could give, but your rep rings artificially inflated your rep like an e-peen pump daily.
Perhaps you're underestimating your abilities to get mad and hold a grudge ross?
Perhaps you've forgotten your five or so alt accounts that you used to -rep and chide people into arguments and subsequently get them infractions or banned?

I don't think rep circles happened nearly as often as you seem to think they did, but okay. Looking at the last page of rep on my CP, the only rep I've received that wasn't on the merits of my ~pro posting~ was the most recent batch. As in, since the system was re-enabled and people were left to post terrible no-content threads and do exactly what you are trying to call me out for doing four years ago. Even though people did boost their friends (shock incoming: it wasn't just the ~FORUM ELITE~ that did it), the overwhelming majority of rep that flowed through the system almost certainly was related to posts or general attitudes. I know that's inconvenient to point out and all, but it's pretty much the case.

Further, most of the people who were singled out for bombing were hilariously terrible posters who would have been bombed anyway, just not quite so rapidly.

Also, those alts are all several years old, one was straight up santioned by admins, and I don't see what relevance they have here when this is about either being able to -rep people for bad posts, or being secure in the knowledge that the staff can't, either.

I mean, shit, if you're going with the argument that we're all the exact same people we were what... four? five? years ago, about half of the staff shouldn't be allowed anywhere near the control panel, much less given exclusive ability to spread neg rep.

PS please disable my rep or (better still) give all users the option to disable it. It offends my delicate Socialist sensibilities.

fake edit: this is a real post. this is a thing i want to happen.

If Rossmum made alt accounts to -rep people, I think his wishes should be ignored. Yes there were rep circles, people were both on the good and bad side of them. But its one thing grouping up with your friends and using rep, than making fake accounts for the sole purpose of -rep.

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If Rossmum made alt accounts to -rep people, I think his wishes should be ignored. Yes there were rep circles, people were both on the good and bad side of them. But its one thing grouping up with your friends and using rep, than making fake accounts for the sole purpose of -rep.

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Sorry bud, but Limited has a point.

Wait...rep is back?

I didn't even notice since I found it so pointless to begin with. Given the fact that everyone on this forum is pretty much already established as to who they are, and how there's not really an influx of any new members, rep is really not necessary and should just be deleted entirely.

...or maybe we give it a go and see how mature this community could be about it again. I doubt much would change though.

stop -repping me you faggot admins

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I don't think rep circles happened nearly as often as you seem to think they did

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shadowspartan and the rest of zteam -repped anybody who so much as disagreed with them and then, from what I've heard, only +repped each other like nothing else in a cute little circle jerk because they're a bunch of entitled fuckwads with serious ego issues, probably because they're off their meds, have emotional problems and have no faith whatsoever in the rest of humanity. aerowyn -repped anybody for the stupidest of reasons and somehow managed to get boosted to one of the top repped members, giving her a massive hit when she -repped, even though she didn't contribute shit to the halo community and had no obvious skills other than be a hella annoying "super fun gamer girl" who had her own "Ask a female gamer anything" segment in podacity.

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aerowyn -repped anybody for the stupidest of reasons and somehow managed to get boosted to one of the top repped members, giving her a massive hit when she -repped, even though she didn't contribute shit to the halo community and had no obvious skills other than be a hella annoying "super fun gamer girl" who had her own "Ask a female gamer anything" segment in podacity.

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It was the private stripcam forum that boosted her so high.

I knew it. boners for +rep.

you all should be ashamed!!

I'm gonna get all dragged up and show you all my ass for rep. you know you want it, boys~
my legs are shaven~

I miss my old rep bars. :( I used to have quite a few. I modeled a lot of shitty stuff to get those thank you very much.

Does it really matter? I'm already infamous around these parts so everyone should be happy.

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I knew it. boners for +rep.

you all should be ashamed!!

I'm gonna get all dragged up and show you all my ass for rep. you know you want it, boys~
my legs are shaven~

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fap fap fap

yeah this is pretty fucking retarded innergoat keeps -repping me for whatev reason.

guess he's assmad that I get more ass than he does

Whoa lets keep a cool head here.

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yeah this is pretty fucking retarded innergoat keeps -repping me for whatev reason.

guess he's assmad that I get more ass than he does

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So much mad

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you know you want it, boys~

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real respectable.

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Come on guys let's be calm about this. It's a novelty, nothing worth getting mad over. I will agree with Ross on one point though and that's to give full functionality to all users.

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Originally Posted by Limited

If Rossmum made alt accounts to -rep people, I think his wishes should be ignored.

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this happened 4 years ago, closer to 5 now, because a certain high-ranking staff member was really nah to letting my main account accrue enough infraction points to end up banned. i kept it going for a bit but mostly used it to troll, if i was going to rep bomb people i would just use my main account since it had more rep power by an order of magnitude and -rep was hardly an infractable offence. in any case, that alt ended up banned and my other alts were just for laughs and seldom posted, certainly didn't rep people.

i don't know if you noticed, but i stopped caring after that and have been banned several times since. in fact the only reason i was unbanned half the time is because the staff didn't want to permaban me for things they should have, fuck knows why.

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Originally Posted by Limited

Yes there were rep circles, people were both on the good and bad side of them.

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most of them were fairly ineffective i guess. those of us who had the most rep would occasionally boost each other, but not too often - i know the vast majority of my own rep came from the rest of the member base via posts on the public forums.

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But its one thing grouping up with your friends and using rep, than making fake accounts for the sole purpose of -rep.

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not a single one of my alts had the purpose of -rep, let alone the sole purpose of it. aside from which, i would be quite happy to have my own rep disabled while everyone else has full functionality restored, or at least the mods and admins give up their completely one-sided special priveleges.

i don't give a toss about my own rep, i just don't like the concept of the people who already hold the balance of power on this site being the exclusive holders of the ability to -rep people, and without having to deal with the usual anti-abuse measures at that.

:mech2:



Wheres that masturbating rep man that The_Ghost made?





green boxes lololollooooooooolollol

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Wheres that masturbating rep man that The_Ghost made?





green boxes lololollooooooooolollol

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It seems we lost a bunch of smilies in the jump from vB3 to vB4.

So whats the problem here then Ross? You cleary dont seem to be worried that a 'high-ranking' staff member didnt care if you were perma banned or not, you were all fine and dandy being unbanned and had no quarrels with that. But the second the shit is flying in your direction you get all hyped up?

At the end of the day, the staff members in power should be responsible, but really rep now isnt all serious, people shouldnt be dependent on their rep than we all were back when we first had it. It had meaning back then. The majority of my rep was from me actually posting apps, and helping people with their questions.

The only reason I have a problem with what your saying, is because your initial posts felt like you were crying only for yourself. I agree that it would be nice to have the ability to turn it off for everyone who wishes for that. As for everyone being able to -rep? I feel it would cause more issues if everyone could -rep. I've already noticed a ton of old users who havent been on for ages are returning and shitposting now that rep is back.

So if your alts werent for -rep, they were to bypass your bans? I'm pretty sure I don't have any alts made, I dont feel I need an alt for anything. My posting has calmed down although now rep is back I may have to dust off the old guns.

I've only received one rep since Sept 2010, I'm not too bothered really.

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So whats the problem here then Ross? You cleary dont seem to be worried that a 'high-ranking' staff member didnt care if you were perma banned or not, you were all fine and dandy being unbanned and had no quarrels with that.

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i have been calling for even-handed moderation for quite some time, like two or so years now. i got myself deliberately banned on at least one occasion because i figured i deserved it, even if nobody was willing to do it without me forcing them.

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But the second the shit is flying in your direction you get all hyped up?

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i've been banned several times since then, and the unbans were (if i recall correctly) not at my request, and usually several months later.

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At the end of the day, the staff members in power should be responsible

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hahahahaha

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but really rep now isnt all serious, people shouldnt be dependent on their rep than we all were back when we first had it. It had meaning back then. The majority of my rep was from me actually posting apps, and helping people with their questions.

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which brings me to ask why it's been re-enabled at all, since it has already resulted in open shitposting both in the thread in this section and also in off-topic (which is already teeming with awful low-content reposts of horrifically unfunny 4chan/reddit crap).

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The only reason I have a problem with what your saying, is because your initial posts felt like you were crying only for yourself.

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let me restate that i do not give a shit about my own rep, i have not given a shit about my own rep for some time, and my own fundamental values have changed so drastically since the last time rep was a thing that i am more bothered by this site's administration having sole control over -rep than i am by anything else. it is a completely unfair inequality, unjustified, and open to abuse by the staff - which has already been happening. you can't have your cake and eat it, so rep is either unserious comedy in which case jcap's argument that he doesn't want it to become abusive falls flat on its face, or it is a serious thing, in which case people ought to stop dancing around the issue by claiming it's all in good fun.

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I agree that it would be nice to have the ability to turn it off for everyone who wishes for that. As for everyone being able to -rep? I feel it would cause more issues if everyone could -rep. I've already noticed a ton of old users who havent been on for ages are returning and shitposting now that rep is back.

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the issues we used to have were honestly not that bad. oh no, mutual -repping and an occasional drama thread. what a tragedy. shitposting should (assuming anyone here has a sense of humour more developed than that of a five year old, which i guess i should severely doubt given posting trends) invite a barrage of neg rep, which almost nobody wants. anyone who does want it as a gimmick, or who continues to shitpost regardless, should be dealt with using the mystical 'detention section' and 'ban feature', something the staff seem seriously reluctant to use even when it is exactly what is called for.

i think probably the worst rep-related violation of the rules was when i got annoyed about favouritism from the staff and deliberately set out to cop myself a ban by -repping bad posters with goatse image tagged in the comment line.

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Originally Posted by Limited

So if your alts werent for -rep, they were to bypass your bans?

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nope.

the first one was not my idea, an admin told me to make it so they wouldn't have to infract my main account. at that time, which was like late '07 or so, i was pretty yeah to getting away with breaking the rules so i did it. that account ended up being uncovered by the rest of the forum, since the staff and several other people already knew, and i stopped using it, it was later banned. i think i made another couple as gimmicks - one to wind dole up and another as a sort of alternate reality game to amuse myself - but both ended up falling out of use very rapidly and were eventually banned too.

i have not had an alt on this forum for several years now, which is more than i can say for several other members - and i know at least some of them used their alts for rep fuckery.

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I'm pretty sure I don't have any alts made, I dont feel I need an alt for anything. My posting has calmed down although now rep is back I may have to dust off the old guns.

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i don't feel the need either any more, since i am quite a different person from what i was back when this site was in its 'prime', if you could call it that. i have zero intentions of creating any more.

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I've only received one rep since Sept 2010, I'm not too bothered really.

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it's the principle of the thing. i am not comfortable with only a select few having the ability to -rep while most members are deprived of it.

ross

go get a girlfriend.

no, he probably quote cascades her to death

My thoughts on the rep system in its current state:

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jcap pls

Is that unicode for post desk

jcap post your desk.

jcap post your desk

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ross

go get a girlfriend.

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fuck committment

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My thoughts on the rep system in its current state:

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jcap pls

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yeah well put

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fuck committment

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i said 'fuck committment', not 'fuck all social interaction'

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i said 'fuck committment', not 'fuck all social interaction'

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And I said 'yeah Mookz, fuck my ass' but nobody ever made a big deal out of it.

Put on the thong and the stockings

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because jcap wont post desk

Dr is literally the only person abusing rep

What are the blacked out threads? I must know.

Blacked out threads ?

What are you talking about are you on drugs?

Wow, you must have a horrible reputation around here to get so much negative rep.

I'm pretty much the worst poster

I should be banned for being such a gigantic faggot

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I'm pretty much the worst poster

I should be banned for being such a gigantic faggot

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Nope

You should be +repped for being a such a faggot giant.

I sure hope Jcap made a backup of the database before turning on the rep, so we can easily clear all this shit out the forums.

He's got a backup of the old rep if that helps

"Due to the age and maturity of this community and we've moved on from who we where years ago, rep's not as important or relevant as it was when the system was fully implemented. It's just not that important anymore"
-said the million posters on the most active forum topic in the last 3 years of modacity's life.

I personally say go hog wild. bring back - rep, we are actually having fun.

Bod has a point. Historically, forum population and activity correlates with level of rep-control given to members. To test actual causality, we would need to reinstate full control to members and gauge the reaction.

first thing I'm going to do is extract my sweet revenge.

keep it coming goat. I can't wait to be redbarred.

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first thing I'm going to do is extract my sweet revenge.

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By minus repping freelancer into oblivion?

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keep it coming goat. I can't wait to be redbarred.

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No Muki

That's the dark side

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I DONT GIVE A FUCK

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The force is strong with this one

But his heart is full of evil

Goooood goooooooooooooooood

damn it stop quoting my posts before I edit them

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damn it stop quoting my posts before I edit them

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nevar

s my d

It's not like the mods do much anyways. If you're so badly offended by red JPEGs then you honestly need to reconsider or prioritize what really matters in terms of good posting. All negative rep was anyways in most cases was someone disagreeing with someone else, but the message was often "you fucking fucktard idiot fuck how dare you hold such an ignorant opinion!" Or if you're neuro then it's saying "you're a fucking mental patient." No offense, just some personal examples. :)















But in all seriousness, rep shouldn't exist at all because then everyone will have more rep than me and I'll feel like I have no friends.

Tldr

WHOA, hold on there cowboy... I agree that getting offended over some red JPEGs is a huge over reaction.

Red PNGs on the other hand are a huge deal. Having a lot of them is just downright unacceptable.

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Javascript error. Unable to load shitpost.

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Anyone else getting this?

please care about posts

I use rep to send love messages to members on occasion. I care.

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It's not like the mods do much anyways. If you're so badly offended by red JPEGs then you honestly need to reconsider or prioritize what really matters in terms of good posting. All negative rep was anyways in most cases was someone disagreeing with someone else, but the message was often "you fucking fucktard idiot fuck how dare you hold such an ignorant opinion!" Or if you're neuro then it's saying "you're a fucking mental patient." No offense, just some personal examples. :)















But in all seriousness, rep shouldn't exist at all because then everyone will have more rep than me and I'll feel like I have no friends.

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wow they're PNGs.... way 2 b wrong yet again

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What took you so long wow.

@Innergoat: SHHHHHHIIIIIIIITTTTTTTTT.

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Javascript error. Being an unnecessary dick.

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Anyone else getting this?

Nope, just the "minimum post quality not met" filter kicking in on you and lancer, but that's user-set not board-wide unfortunately.

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Nope, just the "minimum post quality not met" filter kicking in on you and lancer, but that's user-set not board-wide unfortunately.

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Yes because everything I said was wrong. Every last bit.

Is there anyone who doesn't have Lancer on ignore yet? I feel like its really improved my quality of life.

Although this Cortexian guy is a real shit head.

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Is there anyone who doesn't have Lancer on ignore yet? I feel like its really improved my quality of life.

Although this Cortexian guy is a real shit head.

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style my dew. OK!

I don't. Mostly because he was kind enough to offer me the opportunity to test a map on a good server. A map that I never finished and probably never will because I fail at everything except school, work, and sports.

I never really had a problem with him either way. :/

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I don't. Mostly because he was kind enough to offer me the opportunity to test a map on a good server. A map that I never finished and probably never will because I fail at everything except school, work, and sports.

I never really had a problem with him either way. :/

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Btw I killed off your FTP and access to that server control panel since you weren't using it.

PM me if you ever get that map going again.

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Btw I killed off your FTP and access to that server control panel since you weren't using it.

PM me if you ever get that map going again.

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haha, i didn't even know i had access. Thanks though. :p

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Is there anyone who doesn't have Lancer on ignore yet? I feel like its really improved my quality of life.

Although this Cortexian guy is a real shit head.

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I do but I always view his posts anyways
it's like a crack addiction
but instead this crack hurts your feelings instead of your appearance

i say keep rep. i laughed twice as hard as i normally do from this one thread alone. <3 you annihilation

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Originally Posted by rossmum

Fuck you, this gets its own thread now that the other one is redundant.

The rep system as it stands now is pretty worthless. If all you can do is give rep, and you can't even disable your own (!), what's the point? If the idea was to stop abuse and circle jerks, well that's not happening. Trusting the staff with -rep but then not letting the rest of us do it is insulting and invites abuse from people who already have plenty of power. The difference is that it's a lot more noticeable when they abuse their banning and editing powers than when they decide to abuse rep.

There was never a problem with abuse. A handful of really shitty posters made some terrible forum drama threads (a rather serious violation of the AUP from what I recall?) and it fizzled out. Oh no. Retaliatory rep wasn't much of a thing since you only take half what you give, and even when it did become a thing, the better posters would naturally rise to the top and be able to beat out shitty whiny posters so they wouldn't even have the rep power to retaliate. It was a perfectly fine self-regulating system, all you guys had to do was actually enforce the rules so maybe I guess I can see where the problem was.

If you aren't going to let us have the same powers you are, here are some solutions:

1. Remove your own ability to -rep as well
2. Make users able to disable their rep (why this doesn't appear to be an option is beyond me)
3. Remove rep entirely again until such time as you decide to implement it properly, not in some half-ass mollycoddling way that makes it pointless in the first place.

Hope this helps.

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For once, I 100 percent agree with rossmum. Either make it fully functional for everyone or don't use it at all...

ban inner goatfucker

It's InHerGoat*

people still post here????

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people still post here????

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Who said we were people?

I am literally a jackal.

You want to make out?

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I am literally a jackal.

You want to make out?

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Fuck, I'd make out with a chameleon at this point...

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I am literally a jackal.

You want to make out?

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I am literally a jackal.

You want to make out?

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