Halo: Reach Discussion

[Con]

I think he's saying it's best not to reference anything yet until we have something more conclusive; it's not the time for meaningful first impressions.

[Good_Apollo]

Who gives a crap? Fun game and story > staying consistent with every detail from a vague, tangentially-related book? All of Nylund's books have contradictions or stupid plot-points best left ignored.

People who care about the universe's art and design will give a crap? There's no doubt that all of the Halo games released to date have been pretty fun games, however, that still leaves plenty of room for complaints on how Bungie is sloppily handling their own story everytime they decide to release new content, completely fucking their last 'canon' content.

If only this happened to you guys in a medium you might care about: Lost, Star Trek, or Battlestar Galactica...whatever, you'd all be crying.

[Con]

Can someone summarize what's so inconsistent in canon? I'm not sure what you're all going on about because I can hardly remember anything from the books.

[t3h m00kz]

I'm pretty sure you're constantly running in the games, so I've never really felt the need to go faster.

You don't know constantly running until you've played Quake or Unreal

[TeeKup]

It does make sense. At least, for the LT. Apparently he\she survived OPERATION: TORPEDO, which was when the UNSC sent 300 Spartan-III's to Pegasi Delta, in 2545. The Battle of Reach occurs in 2552, so say the LT was 15 during the operation, and did infact survive, that would make him 22 at the time of the Battle of Reach. I can't say the same about the other four because we don't know anything about their origins.

The only Survivors were Lucy and Tom. Both are locked inside the Onyx Dyson Sphere.

I'm sorry, the books may have their own flaws and contradictions, but this is crap. It may be generally easier for the audience to identify what spartan is what with their unique armor, but it doesn't change the fact that they're ugly as hell. I would have even been fine with them using Mark V armor variants like they did with the Mark VI armor variants. Not completely new and different suits.

I don't know why they would give the LT armor that looks so much like Gray Teams armor, Gray Team was listed as having Mark IV and NOT Mark V.

I have yet to read The Cole Protocol so I cannot speculate/reference/criticize from that stand point.

I'm going to try and hold a neutral/reservists stance until more info is released.

I'm also going to have to agree with Apollo, Bungie has lost their touch. I hated Halo 3 for the amount of time on earth versus that on an actual Halo, but I was pleased how it tied together and how it ended. ODST bored me to death, some things were neat, overall I didn't care for it.

[ejburke]

Do Spartan III's even have shields? I thought their armor was el-cheapo stealth garbage. Did they get an upgrade to MJOLNIR or did Jorge get downgraded to their tech level?

I still don't think they're going to waste in-game exposition on the whole SII/SIII thing. If they do, they'll be making a mistake. That sort of trivia is better suited for the game manual or trying to fluff up a magazine article.

[=sw=warlord]

All the Spartan III groups died in big operations not on Reach. A Covenant refueling depot in 2545 killed all of the second group.And what about the first group of S-III?
It's pretty fucking obvious the S-III's were secret so theres no telling at all how many were "made". The third group was still on Onyx when it disintegrated, and that takes place in late 2552 or early 2553. There is no space in there for Spartan-IIIs to be on Reach. Period. Either they retcon something or these are Spartan-IIs that we don't know about (and there were plenty). If it's the former, that makes it sloppy, and that's what some of us are complaining about. That and the shitty-looking armour (and weapons, and vehicles). It's not the colours so much as the proportions...again.
Again, with the whole "baww their armours different" Reach was the main military industrial planet for the UNSC infact in first strike it mentions new weapons that not even the S-II's knew of so who knows what armour might have been there.
The spartan armour we saw previously was specificly for their mission to capture a covenant ship and kidnap a prothet, Period.
Don't let Halowars fool you.

Actually, you should just stop because just about every post involving Halo-lore you have ever made has either been wrong through lack of sufficient information or deduced by faulty logic. Quit while you are ahead. Go read the books and inform yourself (again if you already have).
The only book i've not read is Cole protocol and i've read the others a fair bit, so instead of bitching with your faulty logic of insisting the spartans would stick with one generic armour and not specialise for their missions you might want to grab something called "common sense".

I personaly am glad to see S-III's with a S-II in one game.
I would be very much interested to find out if there are more S-II's in the story line somewhere, the relation between S-II and S-III could be interesting considering the S-II's dont like working with average soldiers.

But good fucking god theres so much butthurt in this thread, alot of people are acting as if they've had a horse rape them or something because the game doe's not meet their every whim.
The books themselves had a degree of artistic flair and licence so why everyone should expect the game to be a exact representation of a already different variation of canon is beyond me.

[Kornman00]

If any of you have been paying attention to some of the H:R dev (both senior and monkey-see-doers) team, some of them are actually new comers. Hence, artistic liberties and the fact that I'm pretty sure Bungie doesn't want to make another Halo 1 since this isn't even the same story arc. Nor was ODST.

The winds of change are always blowing. Either get a windbreaker or just go hide inside.

[ejburke]

Yeah, it's weird seeing the lead Sandbox designer be some ex-FASA guy that looks like he's straight out of Orzammar. I guess we know what Jaime is doing if he wasn't on ODST and isn't on Reach.

But Marcus is the creative director and he's been there forever. I don't really give a shit what he is or isn't fucking up. The Halo canon was already fractured; they're just making the fissures larger at this point. And it's simply because they painted themselves into several corners. Like I said many pages back: better luck with the next IP, Bungie.

Or.... how about a nice reboot? All the cool franchises are doing it.

[Kornman00]

If there is a reboot, we'll just get all the naysayers we're getting now :\