On Debates and Debating

[flibitijibibo]

it's completely asinine to believe that all members will post to the best of their ability. ignoring the fact that very few would or do, the perception of "best of their ability" is completely different among all people. pretty hard to judge what is purely subjective. in other words, some people will always post better than others, so don't hold everyone to some ridiculous and idealistic standard that we're all supposed to follow to be the perfect community member. getting on the internet, for me, isn't about rigidity or being nice, professional, or any of that. i get on to have fun. sometimes having fun means getting out of line. mods are there to keep getting out of line to a minimum, and it's nice (to an extent) to know when i've crossed a line that shouldn't have been crossed. mods are expected to post at a higher standard simply because they've been entrusted with the power to punish those who they think have posted shit. if they post shit themselves, what would make them more fit to mod than any other member?

You're right, I worded that pretty shittily. Yes, the best of one's ability is relative, not an absolute. This is what (ideally?) separates staff from members.

And yes, I suppose you could argue that nobody is going to line edit all of their posts, which is reasonable. Consider this a footnote: When I say "post to the best of your ability," I mean "don't fulfill the John Gabriel GIFT."

Edit for lag: If it makes you feel better, Apollo would have sounded like this either way:
"I HATE YOU GUYS. FUCKING CLIQUES. CAN I CHILL WITH YOU GUYS PLEASE? STUPID INTERNET ARGUMENTS, STOP ARGUING WITH ME OR I'LL STOP ARGUING."

Also, I assume you're discussing this request for change with the staff? The post kinda sounds like you're saying all of this for the first time...

[Dwood]

Teh lag's getting all philosophical. Dwood for mod 2010.

[paladin]

Teh lag's getting all philosophical.

But he's 100% right.

That being said, how many other members on this forum have reported themselves to receive an infraction for stepping out of line?

i've read every report done and yes i have in-directly infracted myself for stepping over the line.

not everyone can give infractions, let alone give themselves one.

[Rob Oplawar]

Unrelated, but great move on the new subforum.

[SnaFuBAR]

Here's my stance. Posting to the "best of one's ability" is a realistic expectation of the more mature forumers. Everyone else, so long as they're making an honest attempt at intelligible discussion, ok. That's a big difference from making yourself a problem. The people that continually and blatantly make themselves a problem for myself, the rest of the staff, and other forum users is what I'm looking out for.

One thing I will be suggesting is the ability to revoke a member's ability to access this sub forum.

[paladin]

One thing I will be suggesting is the ability to revoke a member's ability to access this sub forum.

Wasn't that originally suggested back when the community was discussing the creation of this?

[Timo]

That being said, how many other members on this forum have reported themselves to receive an infraction for stepping out of line?

i've read every report done and yes i have in-directly infracted myself for stepping over the line.

You should be aware of the rules of the forum and be able to keep your cool.


I guess consistency within the mod team would be nice. Everyone has different ways of handling certain situations, but slowly letting one get worse and worse to the point you can't really infract anyone because you're too late is silly.

[Kornman00]

Yes, and it was brought up in the internal talks. However, aside from banning people, us green-horns can't actually change the permissions group of a user. I don't think this should change, there is usually at least one of the red-baron admins around whom we can shoot a request to. At least then there is a sort of checks-and-balance going on (unless the admin just blindly does it, but hey)

[Bodzilla]

You should be aware of the rules of the forum and be able to keep your cool.


I guess consistency within the mod team would be nice. Everyone has different ways of handling certain situations, but slowly letting one get worse and worse to the point you can't really infract anyone because you're too late is silly.

I prefer a hands off approach, i just kinda roll with the members posting and playing up but when the occasion calls for it i have stepped in and given verbal warnings to get things back on track, locked threads ect.

While i'm not perfect i prefer the idea that if no one knows i'm doing anything, then i'm doing a good job.
When i've actually used my mod powers how many people have taken offence at the actions of taken? (except for freelancer, but that was rookie shit that we sorted out)

i'm not infallible and yes im more then happy to be wrong and called out on it, but i dont want to be a soulless transparent pane of glass that just sits there... watching...

[paladin]

I prefer a hands off approach, i just kinda roll with the members posting and playing up but when the occasion calls for it i have stepped in and given verbal warnings to get things back on track, locked threads ect.

So your the cool dad, just wanna be 'friends' with the kids.