Battlefield Tri-hard

[ExAm]

Nope.

AN-94 is an entirely new design. AEK-917 is also a new design. The only relation it has to the AK family is the BARS that the AK-107 and AK-108 employ. Those AKs are also not pure AKs, they are Alexandrov Kalashnikovs, meaning two designers contributed to their design.

It was logical for Bad Company to pick the AEK because the game takes place in the near future, is completely fictional, and the Russians have been looking to replace the AK-74 for a long time now. The AN-94 is too expensive, so the AEK is a good middle alternative. It's also worth noting that the Russian troops you encounter in BC2 may be considered Special Forces at any rate.

Battlefield 3 will likely have an AKM or AK-74 because it is more grounded in current events than Bad Company is. The very presence of the M4 over the M416 or XM8 an the M240 over the classic M249 tells us that much.

Just look at those guns, man. Look at them. They are obviously derived from the AKs in design, and last I checked, both were listed as AK derivatives on Wikipedia.

[TVTyrant]

I think the layout is whats based on the AK. But the majority if the workings are of new design I think.

[Timo]

Dear god, I want this game so bad

[Warsaw]

Just look at those guns, man. Look at them. They are obviously derived from the AKs in design, and last I checked, both were listed as AK derivatives on Wikipedia.

Never use Wikipedia as a source for information on guns. Try someplace more authoritative, like World Guns. They were deliberately designed to use the same magazines and retain the layout for easy transition for the troops and to simplify logistics. They also happen to have gas-operated mechanisms, which generally dictate a gas tube of some kind above or below the barrel. That's like telling me the AK is derived from the StG. 44 or that the Webley is derived from the Colt because it's a revolver.

@Timo: INORITE!?

[TVTyrant]

Technically the Webley thing is true lol. I mean the Patterson Colt was the first ever, so all revolvers owe Samuel Colt something... The Webley is more similar to the Smith and Wesson anyways.

[Ifafudafi]

As if we didn't already know, EA's CEO's goal for Battlefield 3 is to take down Call of Duty. They'll be spending ~$100 million on ads alone in order to try and accomplish this.

(there's some stuff about in-game ads in there too, but that belongs in a different topic atm)

Hey, EA: The first Modern Warfare didn't succeed because of an ad campaign or because it was pitting itself against Halo 3; it succeeded because it brought something fun, accessible, compelling, inventive, and unique to the market. The less you actively try to beat CoD, the more likely you are to beat CoD

[TVTyrant]

Yeah I agree with your sentiment, but I gotta say, there was probably some guys inside Activision whos specific goal was to tear down Halo. Just saying.

[ICEE]

Never use Wikipedia as a source for information on guns. Try someplace more authoritative, like World Guns. They were deliberately designed to use the same magazines and retain the layout for easy transition for the troops and to simplify logistics. They also happen to have gas-operated mechanisms, which generally dictate a gas tube of some kind above or below the barrel. That's like telling me the AK is derived from the StG. 44 or that the Webley is derived from the Colt because it's a revolver.

@Timo: INORITE!?

This. In entirety. The fact of the matter is that no one likes re-training troops. The newer guns resemble the old because they're designed to have a similar interface, so that the transition is as smooth as possible.




As for "taking down call of duty", I hope they do. However I doubt being so headstrong about it is going to help their cause. Players who are diehard COD fans might just not buy the game for the sake of supporting their "team".

[TVTyrant]

As for "taking down call of duty", I hope they do. However I doubt being so headstrong about it is going to help their cause. Players who are diehard COD fans might just not buy the game for the sake of supporting their "team".

This. I have already seen this with BC2 versus MW2.

[Ifafudafi]

Yeah I agree with your sentiment, but I gotta say, there was probably some guys inside Activision whos specific goal was to tear down Halo. Just saying.

I certainly don't doubt that, but I don't think anybody, much less AV, was expecting CoD4 to be the runaway success that it was (keep in mind IW had to move to a modern setting in secret since AV was worried it was too risky); maybe there were some hopeful execs and devs, but their main priority was just putting out a fucking awesome game.

EA's main priority is not to make a fucking awesome game, but to make a game that will siphon off the majority of CoD's audience. The good thing there is that fucking awesome games are the best at winning over fans and so they'll want such a product; I'm just worried that in their quest to reclaim the shooter throne they'll end up inadvertantly stifling BF3's full potential. While I do trust DICE quite a bit, EA's a pretty big influence.