:Angry rant: police brutality pisses me off

[rossmum]

I was under the understanding the whole idea of having a police baton was for that exact scenario, some comes at you with a close quaters weapon you can defend yourself.

I was under the understanding the whole idea of having a taser was so you wouldn't have to risk getting stabbed like you would with a baton, and also to take down people armed with longer-range weapons without killing them.

there are plenty of people who have had normal up brinings and have stilled turned out to be bad and it wasn't due to the people they were with either, i knew a guy who had it pretty bad hung about with junkies all the time had no where to go these days hes training in law to become lawyer at some point.

Oh, so it's just fine to try and stab a cop to death as long as you get yourself a degree and a job afterwards? There's a difference between falling in with the wrong crowd and doing some stupid things and actually trying to end another person's life in cold blood.

Yes because all know who the real high and mighty ones are, i should never challenge your authority.

I love the way how whenever someone starts an idiotic line of argument only to have me shoot them down with some fucking rational arguments, it suddenly becomes Ross the Terrible trying to keep the working man down or some bullshit. Don't you dare try and blame me for the fact that your logic is flawed.

My point remains, nothing is as straight cut as you make out so don't go saying it is out of ignorance.

I don't doubt there was more to it, but the kid CHARGED A COP. WITH A KNIFE. WITH THE INTENT TO WOUND OR KILL.

I suppose they should've asked him nicely what his intent was before opening fire.

There are some people who act out in a cry for help for which ever reason, i know a girl who now gone off the rails after something happened she had a reasonable family was studying at college do you suggest that instead of listening to the cry for help she should be shot dead?

If it endangers another person's life for no good reason? Yes, unless it can be avoided. In that case, it couldn't. Have fun trying to persuade the family that it was a 'cry for help' and the shooting was 'unjustified' if it happens again and the attacker succeeds in killing someone.

I agree there are many parents who need to grow the fuck up and pull the reins for their offspring, but the authorities also need to take responsibility for their actions just as much as those who they are paid to serve and protect.

Yes, and that's why things like the IPCC and its counterparts (not sure what ours is called) exist for. If a cop tases the shit out of someone unfairly, they are well within their rights to complain and ALL complaints MUST be investigated.

Don't forget the wall of paperwork they're obligated to do themselves, not to mention that quite often it's investigated whether there's a complaint or not.

I was not aware there was such a movement, i guess im wrong for assuming you was taking it out of perspective and in a big enough man to accept i was wrong there so i appologise.

Accepted.

Tasers as much as i have said are dangerous are far less lethal than a live firearms side arm, i advocate their use but only if their regulated and are used as designed, if first arrest was unsuccessfull and suspect becomes violent use taser to knock them to the floor then do the standard pin to the ground and cuff them, Not shock them twice and punch them to the face untill their out cold and bleeding.

The problem is that not everyone will go down the first time, much the same way as it can take several seconds solid of capsicum spray or a few actual lethal shots to bring someone down. This is especially true of people who are high on shit like PCP, people who are running at a flat sprint with the intent to kill, and the like.

I say again, wasn't autharianism the reason germany ended up fighting, trying to occupy other countries such as poland as well as blaiming germanys issues with jews.

No, it had fuck all to do with it. The Allies pretty much fucked Germany over unfairly after WWI and Germany resented it (understandably; WWI wasn't even their fault, but they copped the blame). Along came Hitler with rash plans to rebuild Germany and his anti-Semitic bullcrap, to give the people a common enemy. While the Nazi regime was authoritarian in the extreme, that had nothing at all to do with the beginning of WWII. It was a matter of pride and the vision of Germany being as great as it once was that led to the invasion of other countries.

e/ I should probably clarify that I'm not exactly jumping up and down every time someone dodgy gets shot by the cops, but I'm not about to start bawling my eyes out and calling blue murder, either. It's their choice, it's their life, and there's nothing I personally can do about it. The worst part is the waste of a life which may well have been a good one had they not decided to go looking for trouble.

Sometimes you have to put all your soppy emotions away and look at the bigger picture. I know that's both cliche and pretty cold, but it's the honest truth.