Frag Nade strength

[Pooky]

1. More accurate weapon + more powerful rounds + less ammo = balance

But it ISN'T more powerful, the SMG is. Less ammo I agree with, 32 rounds is excessively less. Plus the SMG is silenced AND the bullets don't have tracers, AND it has a higher ROF. Fighting enemies using ARs with my SMG I win every time. The other way around, I lose everytime, regardless of the range.

2. *Note - they had bigger clips. Look how small the AR magazine is physically. Compact, yet effective.

Compact yes, effective no.

4. No, it really isn't. Good luck trying to kill someone who has an AR when you've got an SMG.

Done, many times.

5. Who cares about low ammo capacity? It spawns more frequently and in more places than any other weapon.

It spawns frequently at the bases. Not so much anywhere else. In most areas you're much more likely to find a Spiker (which is better anyway). Besides, more spawns don't make a weapon any more useful, just more plentiful. Put Plasma Rifle spawns EVERYWHERE on a map, I bet they still don't get picked over a Pistol.

6. Depending on the gametype, it is the starting weapon.

Not CTF where it should be the starting weapon, nor Slayer.

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[Bodzilla]

I can take down an AR user with my starting weapons, use pistol for distance, use SMG up close. SMG is one of the strongest close range weapons, rivaled only by the spiker and the shotty.

>_> wat about the poll....
54-14 is a clear indication of which way ppl would prefer to have the FRG strength. Dont ignore it cause u want them to be weaker. after all these are release candidates and your supposed to take in opinions of the ppl using your map.

this is just like the multi-color'd biped....

[rossmum]

Oh, of course.

And I agree to an extent on the AR. Under no circumstances should a silenced 5mm SMG beat out a fucking 7.62mm assault rifle at any sort of range, let alone long range.

[Pooky]

Oh, of course.

And I agree to an extent on the AR. Under no circumstances should a silenced 5mm SMG beat out a fucking 7.62mm assault rifle at any sort of range, let alone long range.

And what's the extent after which you disagree?

[rossmum]

The mag doesn't necessarily need an increase, particularly since it's meant to be a H3 AR. The power does. And the reserve ammo is fine.

[Emmzee]

The nade would be best if it killed everyone in the map instantly.

[AAA]

The nade would be best if it killed everyone in the map instantly.

obviously, but where'd that come from

[Pooky]

The mag doesn't necessarily need an increase, particularly since it's meant to be a H3 AR. The power does. And the reserve ammo is fine.

Perhaps... still, even if 32 is going to be how it is in Halo 3, maybe Halo 3 is going to suck. I would like to see at least a nice even multiple of ten. If not a power increase would do just as well though (AND SMALLER RETICULE)

[rossmum]

The German MP40 fed off 32-round mags, as did the British Sten. Both good guns, especially close in. Who says the H3 AR will be any different?

In any case, the CMT AR is by no means an accurate depiction of the H3 AR. They've replicated the looks and the mag capacity... but that's about it.

[Pooky]

I know but that's exactly my point though. Why would a gun from the future emulate guns that are no longer in production? Bah, let's drop it