Quote Originally Posted by Mass View Post
Actually, we have Ronald Reagen for that.

and all republicans
Hey, don't blame me!
Quote Originally Posted by PenGuin1362 View Post
Anyone else is more then welcome to leave.
It's not easy to change citizenship. You can't just up and leave your country, and for a large majority of the population of the US it's just not an option.
Quote Originally Posted by Flyboy View Post
It was rigged.

Quote Originally Posted by Flyboy View Post
I have to say that every single candidate, from Bush to Gore to Clinton to McCain to Obama is preselected by people in power, things are not controlled by the white house or congress my friend. Democrat or Republican the people in charge get what they want...always.
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I think it might be true that we were going to war either way... But it is abundantly clear that the Bush administration did a really, really bad job with this whole Iraq war thing. If war was inevitable, at least we could have had an administration that wouldn't horrifically mismanage it.

Quote Originally Posted by ExAm View Post
You can't always blame the populace for the fact that a certain elected official is in office.
Not always, but it's not like the populace is completely powerless. Government is by people, for people, and there's no way around that. That's what it is. Government depends on people in order for it to work. If the population of the United States were to firmly and decisively say "we will not allow this government to remain in power", there's nothing the government could do about it. The government makes the rules and gives the orders, but the population holds the power, and the government only works if we're willing to follow the rules and obey the orders.

Quote Originally Posted by PenGuin1362 View Post
And some things will just never change, and that's due to human nature, and part of that we'll just have to accept.
This is a generalization, but a valid one. It is extremely unlikely for anything like what I described above to ever actually occur in modern US society.

Quote Originally Posted by blind View Post
I was referring to you as in the American public as a whole. If you really didn't want him in power, you could have done something about it anyway. Something like finding like-minded individuals and holding a protest to a major government decision.

Why can't I blame the populace?
...1 a: government by the people; especially : rule of the majority b: a government in which the supreme power is vested in the people and exercised by them directly or indirectly through a system of representation usually involving periodically held free elections
what he said.

Quote Originally Posted by PenGuin1362 View Post
But you can't blame the actions of the government on the population.
No, but through collective inaction we are at least partially responsible for it. The government is there with our support, and whatever our government does is only because of our support.

Quote Originally Posted by nooBBooze View Post
Anyways, you americans kinda could've seen it coming back in 2004.
I so saw it coming.