Americans: We aren't selfish enough!

[nooBBooze]

But you can't blame the actions of the government on the population.

Well at least its not directly responible for it. Anyways, you americans kinda could've seen it coming back in 2004.

[Rob Oplawar]

Actually, we have Ronald Reagen for that.

and all republicans

Hey, don't blame me!

Anyone else is more then welcome to leave.

It's not easy to change citizenship. You can't just up and leave your country, and for a large majority of the population of the US it's just not an option.

It was rigged.

I have to say that every single candidate, from Bush to Gore to Clinton to McCain to Obama is preselected by people in power, things are not controlled by the white house or congress my friend. Democrat or Republican the people in charge get what they want...always.

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I think it might be true that we were going to war either way... But it is abundantly clear that the Bush administration did a really, really bad job with this whole Iraq war thing. If war was inevitable, at least we could have had an administration that wouldn't horrifically mismanage it.

You can't always blame the populace for the fact that a certain elected official is in office.

Not always, but it's not like the populace is completely powerless. Government is by people, for people, and there's no way around that. That's what it is. Government depends on people in order for it to work. If the population of the United States were to firmly and decisively say "we will not allow this government to remain in power", there's nothing the government could do about it. The government makes the rules and gives the orders, but the population holds the power, and the government only works if we're willing to follow the rules and obey the orders.

And some things will just never change, and that's due to human nature, and part of that we'll just have to accept.

This is a generalization, but a valid one. It is extremely unlikely for anything like what I described above to ever actually occur in modern US society.

I was referring to you as in the American public as a whole. If you really didn't want him in power, you could have done something about it anyway. Something like finding like-minded individuals and holding a protest to a major government decision.

Why can't I blame the populace?
...1 a: government by the people; especially : rule of the majority b: a government in which the supreme power is vested in the people and exercised by them directly or indirectly through a system of representation usually involving periodically held free elections

what he said.

But you can't blame the actions of the government on the population.

No, but through collective inaction we are at least partially responsible for it. The government is there with our support, and whatever our government does is only because of our support.

Anyways, you americans kinda could've seen it coming back in 2004.

I so saw it coming.

[PenGuin1362]

Well at least its not directly responible for it. Anyways, you americans kinda could've seen it coming back in 2004.

Everyone knew it was coming way before that. And really, please tell me how the people can force the government to stop the war. There have been protests for 5 years now and they obviously don't give a shit. Not to mention we can't just up and leave at this point. Short of actually becoming part of the government, there isn't a whole hell of a lot you can do to change anything. So really, unless you plan on running for some sort of position maybe it's better not to bitch.

It's not easy to change citizenship. You can't just up and leave your country, and for a large majority of the population of the US it's just not an option.

It's actually fairly simple. Find a job somewhere else, most companies have buildings in other countries so just ask for a transfer, find a house, done. It's only not an option because you make it that way. If you want it to happen it'll happen easy enough.

[Tweek]

america: it's all your own stupid damn fault.

needs less whining, and more doing, OH WAIT, you're too fat do get up, my bad.
you're all so full of shit.

stop being indless sheep and fucking DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT. stop whining, even though it's the ONE thing you're all great at.

tl;dr: lol america.

[nooBBooze]

So really, unless you plan on running for some sort of position maybe it's better not to bitch.

Actually i meant 2nd term Bush. But i guess when one is to choose between douchebag#1, already experienced but fucking up constantly and douchebag#2 same as #1 but without the experience of 1 year in office, i guess your partially right.

[blind]

Protest our president? Until a full blown civil war starts, never would our government put someone else into office just because the public doesn't like who's currently there. And protesting is not as effective as you'd think. Mass amounts of people have protested the war since it's beginning. You know what it got? A surge of troop deployment in the middle east.



Well seeing as how the president is elected by a majority vote...I think you kinda can. >_> But you can't blame the actions of the government on the population.

Not protesting the president, but protesting some new legislature or decision made by him. And protesting doesn't work? If you get enough people willing to spend a little of their time to sit outside the a government building with signs and just start marching, it gives the people in the building some sign that people don't support a certain decision. I mean, people in office can't be THAT clueless, can they?

[Rob Oplawar]

Short of actually becoming part of the government, there isn't a whole hell of a lot you can do to change anything.

Well, we could always grab pitchforks and torches.

It's actually fairly simple. Find a job somewhere else, most companies have buildings in other countries so just ask for a transfer, find a house, done. It's only not an option because you make it that way. If you want it to happen it'll happen easy enough.

Try it sometime.

tl;dr: lol america.

Eh, fuck you, buddeh.

[PenGuin1362]

Actually i meant 2nd term Bush. But i guess when one is to choose between douchebag#1, already experienced but fucking up constantly and douchebag#2 same as #1 but without the experience of 1 year in office, i guess your partially right.

Exactly how I felt during that election. It was either, die fast, or die faster...but die faster with purple hearts!

Well, we could always grab pitchforks and torches.

Meet me in DC. I'll bring the explosives

Not protesting the president, but protesting some new legislature or decision made by him. And protesting doesn't work? If you get enough people willing to spend a little of their time to sit outside the a government building with signs and just start marching, it gives the people in the building some sign that people don't support a certain decision. I mean, people in office can't be THAT clueless, can they?

You have no idea -_-. There are things protesting and such can change, but other times it's proven to be useless. And people have marched many many times outside the white house trying to protest the war, it's done nothing. In some cases it works, but as of late hasn't done much. Hopefully the next presidential term won't be as much of a failure is the last one.

[Bodzilla]

Needs moar JFK.

[Bastinka]

Needs moar JFK.

R.I.P.

Really, the U.S. isn't all that bad. People just love stereo-types, especially anything lower than them they can pick on.

You see, words are like bullets... no. Seriously, though if you live in the U.S. you probably have a pretty easy and fun way of life, while others spend their time working their asses off for almost the same amount as you make. Honestly, what would be easier? Not all Americans are fat, it's mostly in the south but hey every country has fat people just texas is the capital mating place for them. Bush Sr and Jr really have discraced this country, Clinton was a really good president and I'm really happy that Obama is probably going to be president.

Oh and country music needs to be murdered.