Pardon Our Dust.

[t3h m00kz]

jcap is right.
expanding the atmosphere > changing the atmosphere imo

So? It's a mod. Does it HAVE to follow the atmosphere? And even then, IT'S A NON-PROFIT MOD. It should NOT be that big of a deal

If most of the cut scenes are the same and have the same dialog then the story remains intact. It's still Halo. It may not be cannon, but it's a mod. It shouldn't HAVE to follow cannon, it's like fan fiction. The only thing they're changing is the physical environment. If THAT of all things bothers people, someone needs to lighten up, for real.

Can't forget they're adding BRUTES and NEW WEAPONS to the campaign too. Those aren't getting complained about.

The way I see it, if someone loved Halo 1's story for what it was, they should play the regular Halo campaign instead of a third-party mod of the same campaign on the same engine.

[ODX]

Look, this last page almost has no meaning to it because it's like a chatroom now on a different subject.

I gave my reason for why it's dumb to switch to a bliss.

I understand that it doesn't look apocalyptic now and somewhat does ruin the way the game ends, but just give this little change a chance. As I said before, we haven't played it so we don't have much of an idea how it works out.

[ICEE]

Think about it realistically here: The people who play this mod have played halo before. If they hadn't then why do they own the game that they need to play this mod? why would they care enough to download this mod if they never even played the game? People playing this will already know the storyline. Why are you so intent on forcing your opinion down everyone's throats anyways? I've never seen you post more. What makes you think it matters anyways? CMT has always taken the "we don't care what you think go away" standpoint. Why do you think your an exception?

[Arteen]

We've been over this before in other threads. It's nothing more than a generic first person shooter if you take away the theme and story of the game. That's already happened a few times with cutscenes and objectives (even new BSPs have affected it enough), and you're still talking about doing it now with scrapping dialogue and the final resting place of the Pillar of Autumn. Sounds like stripping out the actual "Halo" from Halo.

Stop overreacting to every single thing we do. We switched a bitmap and a sky, and now are mod is unrecognizable as Halo? I understand what you're trying to say, but please stop making a big such deal about every teeny-tiny little thing we do that you dislike.

[jcap]

Look, this last page almost has no meaning to it because it's like a chatroom now on a different subject.

I gave my reason for why it's dumb to switch to a bliss.

But I also gave my suggestion for how to make it better than the original even, while keeping the theme constant.

I think everyone would be very happy to see something like what I suggested. It's almost a compromise, but it's a compromise which doesn't leave any disappointment from either side, and you can fit in both sides' stories.

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(and theme is not a "little" reason)

[itszutak]

Everybody just shut up. Masterz and the rest of the team, I expect, knows what sort of problems their choice means (especially after this big shitfest)-- If they choose to ignore it, so be it.

Jcap, you've repeated the same statements over and over-- and even though I agree completely with them, I don't think you're going to convince any more people with them-- you're saying the same thing, over and over. You're not really helping our point, and the stubbon way that you're arguing is actually HURTING your point more than helping it.

Despite its appearance, this isn't a public mod. They aren't making this completely on other people's suggestions-- they are allowed artistic liberties in any direction they please.

I just have a question: How is grass supposed to grow just 5 days after the PoA crash-landed on Halo? I'd rather see some sort of bare forunner metal or tunnels showing through where the land around it was completely removed, because that's a bit more accurate to what should have happened. (Imagine a meteor hitting earth-- that's kind of how damaging the crash should have been.)

Just stop fighting. This is, frankly, childish. On both sides. Throwing insults gets us nowhere, and repeating the same tired points gets us nowhere. The best thing would be to bring up points, and support them (NOT repeat them) if they are dismissed.

[SnaFuBAR]

Actually, I haven't had a desire to work in the game industry for quite a while, I decided to switch my major at the end of last spring semester (2008). But the idea of making this a "windows xp" bliss is because it's suppose to come full circle for the player since the first time they stepped out of the escape pod back in 2001. It's a modified a30 sky, in the background, which you can see more of when the camera swings around. I also like it because it shows the tranquility and peacefulness of the halo, but with the ship that is responsible for all the fighting in the middle of it. I think it works on multiple levels as far as symbolism and mood go.

I'm sure we'll switch up the ground map a bit, and enhance some of the scorching. Editing the BSP here is tricky, it's not like other BSPs, Firedragon could explain it better than I could. Scenery is also difficult to place, the area is huge, and you either have to plant a fuckload of identical trees, or make them larger and ruin the scale. If we ever get good fire, I'll place some on sections of the hull and in some areas where appropriate.

Well see, the problem is you're trying to fill it with philosophical bullshit about "coming full circle" when the game is about linear progression and stark contrast from what it was. Nothing in this game is about returning to prior status or anything of what it was. Everything changes. You land in a lush valley, return to a desert, you fight the covenant who are (along with your comrades) transformed to the flood, you leave the pillar of autumn in a lifepod, you return in a banshee to what is essentially a giant nuke.

You see the problem? The game is about juxtaposition of contrasts. Your idea of "xp bliss" is just... out of the ordinary and wrong.

Fuck the trees, fuck the grass, fuck the river. Make the desert look better than what bungie did. Add debris like plates coming off of the POA or something like that. I know you've seen what aircraft debris looks like.

[FRain]

Remember guys, the mod's creators have already taken the position of "don't tell us what to do or we'll stop working on the mod" and "lalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalala we can't hear youuu" so you really can't tell them anything. You're just going to have to let them do whatever they want until the mod is released.

[AAA]

Remember guys, the mod's creators have already taken the position of "don't tell us what to do or we'll stop working on the mod" and "lalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalala we can't hear youuu" so you really can't tell them anything. You're just going to have to let them do whatever they want until the mod is released.

He's right. I'm looking forward to this release either desert or no desert. Although it could be slightly improved, I would be content.

[t3h m00kz]

I can't believe all this drama.