Halo: Reach Discussion

[FRain]

Lone Wolf - Halo: Reach Soundtrack

[ejburke]

Doesn't matter if the Halos were designed to destroy the Flood themselves, the ring and the Ark blew up. Flood died either way.

Guilty Spark thought activating the ring to counter the local infestation was a good idea.

Guilty Spark thought DESTROYING the ring and the Ark was a BAD idea.

There you go.

Intent.

[Heathen]

Bungie did not rewrite the engine after that demo. Since the game was released in 2004, that would give them a little over a year to completely rewrite an engine that had been in progress for years. That doesn't seem possible, and highly unlikely. Sure they rewrote parts of the engine, but not the whole thing. Get your facts straight.

I dont see the word "whole" in his post.

[Warsaw]

Bungie did not rewrite the engine after that demo. Since the game was released in 2004, that would give them a little over a year to completely rewrite an engine that had been in progress for years. That doesn't seem possible, and highly unlikely. Sure they rewrote parts of the engine, but not the whole thing. Get your facts straight.

Still mad that I debunked your perception of the Halo universe?

There was an article on the old bungie.net where they talked about the Halo 2 engine. In it, they said they basically had to scrap a majority of the original Halo 2 engine that they used for the E3 2003 demo and make it again because the original had become too bloated. The E3 2004 demo was the first we saw of that new engine and is why everything looked so different. That's also why they couldn't finish the game the way they intended and why we got a cliffhanger ending. So, yes, they did rewrite it. They reused some of the old code, but they still started over. That's not to say they scrapped the entire game; models, textures, sounds, scripts, etc. were all probably kept for the most part.

@ejburke: The Gravemind you encounter in the Halo games is not the same one that attacked the Forerunner 100,000 years ago. The Flood have a trait that lets a Gravemind recall all the events of its predecessor. However, we don't know if this precludes the simultaneous existence of multiple Graveminds. This is all coming from the Halo Encyclopedia, by the way.

[ShadowSpartan]

I dont see the word "whole" in his post.

In his later post he said "majority". Close enough don't you think? If they did indeed rewrite the entire engine, which I doubt they did, then they might as well have started from scratch.

Still mad that I debunked your perception of the Halo universe?

Hardly.

There was an article on the old bungie.net where they talked about the Halo 2 engine. In it, they said they basically had to scrap a majority of the original Halo 2 engine that they used for the E3 2003 demo and make it again because the original had become too bloated.

Go and find the article then, every article is still on Bungie.net so you can't use an excuse of "it was on the old bnet". Saying, "said they basically", is very skeptical and I think you are "recalling" incorrectly. How in the hell could they have rewrote the majority of an engine that had been in development for over 2 years already, in a little over a year? I don't believe that they did.

[Warsaw]

Or you could find it yourself since you are the one in doubt. There's the Halo 2 Collector's Edition DVD and the Bungie archives; knock yourself out. I'm going to warn you though, half of the links in the old Bungie Weekly Updates are broken.

And yeah, I did debunk your ignorance on Cortana and Halsey...with proof from the two pertinent sources. Check your own profile. Actually there was more, but I had already hit the character limit and didn't think it required any more.

[Heathen]

In his later post he said "majority". Close enough don't you think?

No.

A majority of Americans have STD's. Not all Americans have STD's.

[Ki11a_FTW]

^^

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[ejburke]

@ejburke: The Gravemind you encounter in the Halo games is not the same one that attacked the Forerunner 100,000 years ago. The Flood have a trait that lets a Gravemind recall all the events of its predecessor. However, we don't know if this precludes the simultaneous existence of multiple Graveminds. This is all coming from the Halo Encyclopedia, by the way.

If he's not the same Gravemind, then it begs the question where he came from. Where did the Flood find enough food on Delta Halo, post Halopocalypse, to generate a new one? The humans and Covenant had only just arrived during the events of Halo 2.

Bungie pretty clearly led the player to believe that he was a remnant of the war with the Forerunner. Given Cortana's line in Halo 1, "Halo doesn't kill the Flood, it kills their food." -- it made perfect sense that he would have survived. Then Halo 3 has to come in and confuse everyone by demonstrating that Halo does indeed kill the Flood.

Now it's a convoluted mess, with retcon on top of retcon being used to explain things that didn't need to be explained if only they had their shit straight all along.

All I'm really getting at is that the story could have made much more sense than it does, but for sheer carelessness. You can patch a boat with duck tape, but it's a better idea to avoid punching holes in it in the first place.

[Warsaw]

Hell, the story could have also been better than it is, but it isn't. I just look the other way and play the games for fun now. To me, the original Halo had the only story worth digging into.