Airsoft Thread

[Cortexian]

Best order to get gear:

1. Eye protection, obvious reasons.
2. Combat pants, they've got large pockets that you can store your mags in until you get a load bearing vest or chest rig.
3. Combat shirt, adds to the authenticity of your load out if they're the same pattern as your combat pants.
4. Combat boots or really good hiking boots with high ankle coverage, I can't tell you how many times I've seen airsofters and paintballers fuck up their ankles because they weren't wearing proper footwear.
5. Holster if you have a sidearm that you want to game every game. If no sidearm, skip this.
6. Vest or chest rig, something to hold your magazines, MOLLE is by far the best to go with since you can customize it for fairly cheap to suit what you need.
7. Gloves, very handy (pun intended) when playing outdoors or in very close CQB. Prevents lots of painful hand/finger shots.
8. Helmet/Headwear, something that compliments your eye protection and combats.
9. Extra bits like shemagh's and radios, etc, etc...

[Spartan094]

Mind selling me your gloves :3

But where did you get them?

Also I can get the helmet, pants, shirt, and boots and such from a army surplus store depending on price. After I buy the ak47 with the extra mags then I will see.

[Cortexian]

Got my gloves here. eHobby is a great online airsoft retailer, unfortunately I can only buy gear/mags/BB's/accessories from them since individuals can't import guns into Canada. Speaking of importing guns into Canada...

Successful Legalization of Non-Transparent Airsoft Guns in Canada
(Note: SHIT TON of information, maybe this will give you an idea of how stupid/complicated Canadian firearms law is)

This for all the good people of Canada.

SafeAirsoft

The Successful Canadian Airsoft Legalization/Normalization Effort

I'm proud to unveil the existence of SafeAirsoft, my three-year-long personal effort dedicate to and succeeding in steadily reversing the illegal status of Canadian airsoft.

This is done. This is real. This is here.

(The red pills offered by Mach1 were given to Mach1 by me in the interest of preventing any business monopoly.)

Executive Summary:

• Legal opaque models of airsoft now exists in Canada.
• Fully compliant with all statutes and regulations.
• Model-by-model, brand-by-brand basis only, all subject to government preapproval.
• Private importation very unsafe.
• Two Canadian distributors, 4+ Brands, NO CHEAP CLONES.
• Price based on real cost, not "personal risk" or "rarity".
• For the first time, Canadian airsoft have an accountable option and a real future.
• This is just the beginning of my work to ensure the freedom of honest, responsible airsoft.

How has SafeAirsoft succeeded in helping airsoft?

Through my work with the Canadian government, specifically agencies like the RCMP and CBSA, I have established and tested a fully legal method to import certain brands and models of 100% opaque (non-transparent, non-tinted) airsoft guns. Airsoft guns imported, sold and bought in such a manner are done so in full compliance of Canadian law, at no risk to either the retailers or the customers.

There are no deceptions or loopholes involved, it is honesty and open mindedness that made this cooperation possible. I am treated as a de facto (if unofficial) expert in the field of airsoft by the two agencies.

What does that mean for Canadians?

Legality Before SafeAirsoft

• Importing - Illegal
• Buying (Includes any form of receiving) - Illegal
• Selling - Illegal
• Owning - Legal, Yet Illegal, because you cannot have something you are not allowed to buy.
• Using - Legal
• Transporting - Legal
• Grandfathering - Fake, since true Grandfathering permits passing down of the item and you cannot pass down or transfer Prohibited Devices.
• Insurance Coverage - Poor, unless your insurance company isn't paying close attention

Legality After SafeAirsoft (Specific Brands/Models)

• Importing - Legal
• Buying (Includes any form of receiving) - Legal
• Selling - Legal
• Owning - Legal
• Using - Legal
• Transporting - Legal
• Grandfathering - Not Needed, since Grandfathering only applies to restricted or prohibited goods.
• Insurance Coverage - Available

Consumer Security Before SafeAirsoft

• Price - Inflated, based on 'Serious Personal Risk' and 'Rarity of Item'.
• Returns for Your Spending - Basically nothing, illegal airsoft supply industry does not grow without risking legal prosecution.
• Mark Up & Tax Chain - (4) Manufacturer, HK or US Wholesaler, Canadian Illegal Importer, Canadian Illegal Dealer (Also taxed twice on the wholesale end if imported from the US: HK -> US; US -> Canada).
• Fail to Deliver - No Legal Recourse, your merchandise is illegal and implicates you.
• Fraud - No Legal Recourse, your merchandise is illegal and implicates you.
• Warranty - None, disconnected from the manufacturers.
• Parts Support - Minimal, disconnected from the manufacturers.

Consumer Security After SafeAirsoft

• Price - Fair, based on actual upgrade cost and quality of product (Many Canadian-legal products are even specially made to be superior compared to international versions, and I don't mean the FPS).
• Returns for Your Spending - Substantial growth and expansion of ever greater legal products and services.
• Mark Up & Tax Chain - (3) Manufacturer, Canadian Legal Distributor, Canadian Legal Dealer.
• Fail to Deliver - Full Legal Recourse, no different than buying anything else, cars, computers, tables, etc.
• Fraud - Full Legal Recourse, no different than buying anything else, cars, computers, tables, etc.
• Warranty - Yes, based on manufacturers.
• Parts Support - Full, based on manufacturers. Except Receivers.

It is now possible for Canadian retailers (real stores, not basements) to carry opaque airsoft guns (of the models approved by the government) without violating any law. Canadian public can buy and use these airsoft guns without any hesitation about consequences. If you can expense paintball, you can expense the legal airsoft guns. In fact, these legal airsoft guns are legally equal to paintball markers, including their use.

This means we can finally break the cycle of relying on illegal importers and businesses for illegal opaque airsoft guns. It is now possible for someone to get into airsoft in a completely legal fashion without sacrificing that all-important realism that makes airsoft what it is, making it possible to transition Canadian airsoft into a fully legal activity without watering it down.

What are available?

Each models of each brand are subject to government approval, meaning that only select models from select brands have been approved. Models are currently available from brands such as ARES, ICS, Real Sword and VFC, with more on the way. A partial list of models include M4s, AKs, SIGs, L85s, SCARs and Tavors. More are on the way.

No opaque pistols, receivers or grenade launchers are legal, and it is not clear if some of them will ever be. AEPs and poor quality springers are not options.

Why no clone brands?

The RCMP is expecting a certain amount of legitimacy in the brands and models we submit. Since the Chinese clone manufacturers have their own considerable legal problems to contend with, and are more often an elusive collection of shifting factories and warehouses than a fixed (thus clearly discernable legitimate business) corporate entity, they are not a reliable source for legalized airsoft guns.

For example, had I not steer the Canadian companies completely clear of clones, the companies supporting this effort would have almost certainly experience large financial setbacks in any of their investment in the clone brands from the massive crackdowns in China last year.

Fortunately, Hong Kong follows a different set of law for airsoft, and Taiwan is Taiwan.

How are the pricing?

The prices are based on our cost, not any sort of "gun runner's risk", "rareness" or "this-just-in". You're finally paying for what you get, not how you're getting it. And while we'll still be somewhat more expensive than prices in the US (the price you pay for living in Canada), expect to see prices previously unimaginable in Canada for most models we have.

And because people will always ask: it is impossible to ever match Hong Kong prices, due to their lack of international shipping charges, duties and taxes. Getting guns for them is literally driving a truck across town.

Won't you affect Cansoft and used black gun resale prices?

We expect Cansoft prices to drop quite a bit. As for devaluing personal collections, unfortunately, that is the reality of where we are. It is unintentional, but also unavoidable.

What are the legal businesses that I would get the legal guns from?

The SafeAirsoft effort is sponsored by my company (which I cannot name or even show the logo off myself, due to my lack of ASC retailer status) and Mach1 Airsoft.

Can I buy your guns through your website?

Both companies are first and foremost, distributors, so we primarily sell to dealers. Please consult the respective company's website for purchasing details.

Please note that I've set a very rigorous standard of selection for my dealers, and Mach1 has agreed to abide by my company's standards. We both believe a good way to ensure that airsoft become a strong and legitimate Canadian industry is by finding serious businesses with brick-and-mortar locations to carry our products. Our list of retailers will grow as we successfully engage good businesses, we are not simply looking for just anyone.

Dealers for legal opaque airsoft guns seems few and far in between?

Make no mistake, the rivers and streams of Canada will not suddenly be swimming with opaque airsoft guns, nor will they be growing on tree.

I am painfully aware of the challenges to the legal airsoft industry in Canada. This is my personal mission, my career and possibly the crowning achievement of my live's work. Thus, I am going to ensure that my business, as well as Mach1 and anyone who will listen, maintain a very carefully selected network of dealers.

I want future generations to have the option of legally playing or collecting airsoft when they are ready and willing. If keeping airsoft legal requires a bit of inconvenience to the consumer in terms of the number of available stores, to keep the supply from growing too quickly and beyond responsible control, I think it's worth the slight inconvenience.

Can I buy your guns through Airsoft Canada?

No, based on my proposal to and agreement with Mach1, we will not be selling or advertising our guns on Airsoft Canada.* This is because ASC is currently supported by retailer fees from illegal importers and retailers, as well as the presence of said illegal business activities on ASC.

As the first ever legal opaque airsoft businesses in Canada, we cannot risk being confused with the illegal businesses by having our sales in close proximity to theirs. To do so risk having the legal opaque airsoft becoming mixed up with the illegal opaque airsoft, resulting in CBSA's indiscriminate prosecution of both.

We hope to be able to do business on ASC someday, but there's a long transition on the part of ASC before that is possible.

Please do not PM about buying airsoft guns. I cannot and will not provide backdoor retail sales service.

*Mach1 has elected to continue its businesses activities on and financial support of ASC for purposes of airsoft BBs. Please do not make his position uncomfortable by attempting to solicit gun sale from him on ASC.

Do I have to be Age Verified by ASC to buy from you?

You have to prove yourself to be 18+* based on the SafeAirsoft system, but you do not have to be Aged Verified by ASC.

In fact, it is necessary for us to distance ourselves from the ASC AV System. Again, this is based on my proposal to Mach1, so it is my position for better or worst.

The simple fact is that ASC AV System supports the largest illegal black airsoft gun market in Canada, something that we as legal distributors cannot be a part of. This is the big break the Canadian airsoft community has been looking for over the last decade. When people dreamed about a legal Canadian airsoft industry, they were dreaming about this. And as the leading businesses in this start up sector, it is not enough to just run a business, it's necessary to keep the cleanest image possible. The future legitimacy of the Canadian airsoft scene is dependent on our first step.

Second, ASC AV System provides no liability protection for businesses. All it does is prove the individual is 18+, without requiring the individuals to consent to strict terms of sale. This is not necessary a problem for ASC itself, but it is something critical to us. Since we are emphasizing sales at physical stores, it makes more sense for us to ID our own customers, and make sure they formally acknowledge the seriousness of what they are buying at the same time.

An alternate system sponsored by my business (and maybe Mach1) is being put into place under the banner of SafeAirsoft. It is not intended to compete with ASC's AV, but rather to fill the void left by ASC and to ensure that both my company and Mach1 can cooperatively ensure strict standards on age and terms of sales. There are many Age Verification systems separate from ASC: almost every province has one.

*Our dealers are permitted to make exceptions for minors with a valid Minor's Firearms Licence. Again, my proposal, don't blame Mach1.

Since the requirement for a MFL is immense (parental consent, plus PAL course fee, plus class room time, plus PAL written test, plus PAL hands on test, plus PAL application fee, plus licence processing waiting period, plus it is the government's own verification process) compared to simply being 18+ (driver's licence, done). Thus we see no reason to act on own accord (since there is no actual law against minors and airsoft) to bar minors that have been trained and certified by the Canadian government to operate real firearms from our products. All MFL purchases must be done in person, and our dealers maintain the full right to reject any buyers that make them uncomfortable, licensed or otherwise.

Of course, parental involvement remains paramount, and stores are free to reject sales to minors even with a MFL. And ultimately, individual hosts decide whether minors can play.

Do you make special orders?

Not at this time, though it is something the companies and SafeAirsoft are working towards. The legality of importing a wide mix of unapproved model makes any current attempts impractical and dangerous, and a topic not fully addressed in our work with the Canadian government.

Can I import airsoft via your method?

No. My successful method involves manufacturer, CBSA and RCMP cooperation. It is not a practical way to do personal importations. Currently, all personal importations still carry a very high likelihood of confiscation by the CBSA.

Please also keep in mind that nothing has change in the fact that foreign dealers are not responsible to ensure that you receive your order. You are solely responsible for the failure of any importation. My effort here does not constitute any sort of means to pressure foreign dealers to ensure that they guarantee delivery. Buyers beware.

Is this the end of illegal airsoft?

Not quite, this is the beginning of legal airsoft. Illegal airsoft will only end when people stop supporting it.

There is still much work ahead for my effort, years of work requiring the backing of the Canadian community, before the legitimate position of airsoft is fully cemented in Canada. We are off to a good start, though.

The SafeAirsoft effort comprises of the following stages (some stages overlap):

1. Original legal and government research Completed
2. Establishment of SafeAirsoft Completed
3. Creation of defence for use Completed
4. Creation of defence for transfer Completed
5. Creation of defence for modification Completed
6. Creation and test of general importation procedure Completed
7. Public announcement Completed
8. Legitimate and responsible industry development
9. Creation and test of additional importation procedures
10. Establishing and promoting Canadian airsoft sports organizations

Why can we not have both legal guns and illegal guns?

The community is definitely grateful for the illegal businesses keeping the quality of airsoft from plunging into the transparent abyss. These illegal guns formed the root of the majority of our involvement in airsoft and kept the community from dying off.

By the same token, it was also the illegality of the guns that drove my effort. As Canadians, we shouldn't have to break the law for a constructive and respectable sport. I've now made sure we won't have to. The days of the community relying on persons risking a criminal record to supply good airsoft is finally over.

If Canadian airsoft was a drowning person, that person is now in the shallows. We have legal businesses with quality opaque airsoft guns to strengthen the position of airsoft in Canada previously unthinkable. With the success of my effort, we can be at the forefront of the international airsoft scene, instead of being jealous and envious of the success of others.

What separates your "legal" guns from their "illegal" guns?

There are two ways illegal airsoft guns enter Canada:

2. Illegal guns are smuggled undetected into the country.
3. Using a Business Firearms Licence, illegal guns are declared as replica firearms/prohibited devices under tariff code 98.98.00.00 and imported for specific Prescribed Purposes listed in the Firearm Licences Regulations. However, instead of importing to satisfy the specific Prescribed Purposes in the Firearm Licences Regulations, the guns are resold to the public. This is a straight abuse of the Business Firearms Licence, something like having a demolitions permit to buy explosives and reselling the explosives to the public. This is what Will Wong of Specarms was successfully prosecuted and sentenced for in British Columbia, a sentence he should still be serving. And because these airsoft guns entered the country classified as prohibited devices, they cannot be legally transferred to individuals or unlicensed businesses, which implicates both resellers and customers in this illegal scheme.

Our legal airsoft guns are imported in the same classification as paintball markets and pellet guns. They are Deemed Non-Firearms (or Uncontrolled Firearms, as CBSA calls them), because they are classified as firearms (capable of inflicting serious bodily injury) that do not meet the licensing and registration requirements (meaning they are still below 500fps and 5.7 Joules). Our airsoft guns are imported at over 430FPS with 0.20g, which fully satisfies the legal requirement of the RCMP and CBSA.

All our guns have been tested and documented by the RCMP, and our models are classified separately from international models that do not meet Canadian legal requirements. We import our airsoft guns with the expressly stated intent of public sales, the RCMP preapproved our guns knowing that we will be selling these airsoft guns to the public, the CBSA clears our guns knowing the same.

Do we have to play at that energy level?

No, the requirement is that the guns are proven to be capable of firing at the necessary level during importation, since that is the point at which any inspection or reclassification may happen. This has to do with the very definition of firearm, found in s. 2 of the Criminal Code of Canada.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Criminal Code, emphasis in Bold
“firearm” means a barrelled weapon from which any shot, bullet or other projectile can be discharged and that is capable of causing serious bodily injury or death to a person, and includes any frame or receiver of such a barrelled weapon and anything that can be adapted for use as a firearm;

Since any downgrade we make are not permanent, the classification of the gun remains unchanged. Similarly, dialling down the FPS on a paintball marker does not change its classification, nor does modifying a pellet gun, nor does putting a Simunition barrel in a real firearm. The classification of a firearm is determined by its proven maximum performance, not any temporary reduction in performance. The Supreme Court of Canada has ruled this interpretation to be the correct in cases like R. v. Covin [1983].

Once the guns are inside Canada, both my company and Mach1 have committed ourselves to downgrading the guns before they hit the airsoft market. We know that a large percentage of our sales will be to new customers, who are less likely to be able to successfully downgrade airsoft guns. We do not want to risk releasing a large number of hot guns into the market. We ask that the community keep us (and any other companies) honest and remind us to stay the course on this decision.

What about all the black guns already inside Canada?

Unfortunately, once a gun enters Canada illegally, there is little that can be done to improve its legality that cannot be construed by the courts as an attempt to circumvent the law (because you are). My advice is that if you have an illegal black gun, just keep it. Don't sell it or get rid of it, just keep it. The vast majority of potential legal problem surrounding your illegal opaque airsoft gun has to do with transferring it. If you simply keep it, there is much less to worry about.

The hope is that, with enough time, the amount of legal airsoft guns will overtake the old illegal guns. Eventually, though still definitely present, the old illegal guns will be such a small minority as to be irrelevant.

I would personally just buy an opaque airsoft gun from the start. After all, isn't that the point of all of this?

Older posts and threads on the 407FPS suggests it's not reliable.

The general position of the old thread is that the 407FPS was not reliable because there was little to no official CBSA policy documentation containing that number, that the number only existed in appeals. However, that is no longer the case, and the number can be found with the revised CBSA D19-13-2 Memorandum, available from CBSA's website.

In addition, the data is available by filing an official Access to Information request. The request should be directed to the RCMP.

So if I buy a legal airsoft gun from you, I would be a firearm owner?

Yes, and if you buy a paintball marker or a pellet gun (under 500FPS and 5.7 Joules), you are also a firearm owner. It does not matter what the devices look like. The Canadian definition of firearm is first and foremost a matter of performance and the notion of serious bodily harm. Serious bodily harm in Canada jurisprudence is based on catastrophic eye trauma, either penetration or rupture. Lesser damages have not been regarded as serious bodily injury in Canadian legal tradition.

It can be indistinguishable from a banana, but if it shoots a dangerous projectile, it's a firearm. This is done to ensure maximum prosecution against any criminal who attempts to use any gun in a crime.

So if I use my legal airsoft gun at a game, I'd be pointing a firearm at someone?

Only in the same way you would be when playing paintball. Canadian law makes exceptions for such situations, largely thanks to the existence of paintball. So, a little less paintball bashing would be a good idea. Paintball, whether we like it or not, is our brother-in-arms. We either hang together now, or we'll be hung separately later.

Doesn't that mean the police can pay me surprise visits, because I have a firearm?

No, the provisions that grants the police the authority to inspect your firearms is from the Firearms Act. Since your airsoft gun, paintball marker or pellet gun are Deemed Non-Firearms, they are excluded from all provisions of the Firearms Act under s. 84(3) of the Criminal Code.

Why can't I import guns myself at that energy level?

We are successful at what we do because all our guns are manufactured and labelled specifically for Canada, then documented by the RCMP as Deemed Non-Firearms. We have our company's and our manufacturer's liability behind our declaration to the RCMP and CBSA that each gun in all of our orders fulfill Canadian legal requirements.

Most airsoft guns on the market cannot meet the performance requirement in the stock configuration. You would have to get them upgraded, and then prove that upgrade to the satisfaction of the CBSA. Without manufacturer and Canadian distributor's assurance, plus RCMP pre-approval, the CBSA unlikely to believe that your Marui in fact fires at the necessary energy level (even if it has been upgraded overseas). While failure is not guaranteed, it is still risky. As a rule, it is completely up to the CBSA whether they send your guns to be tested. If there are hundreds of people trying to import their own guns, CBSA may simply start refusing to test any of them.

This general refusal to cooperate by the CBSA is more likely than you think, as airsoft remains a sensitive issue for the CBSA. Businesses conducting organized importation with carefully filed documentation is one thing, hundreds and hundreds of private individuals attempting to import anything and everything airsoft will almost certainly lead to some form of negative reaction by CBSA.

As I've said, we are hoping to work out a method to make special orders possible in the future. Until then, I would strongly advise against self importation.

2. Of course, people will try to do so anyways, so my advice is:
3. Don't waste time importing anything that's already available in Canada. It is not only not worth the risk, but you're sending your money outside of your country.
4. Remember to factor in currency conversion, taxes, duties, shipping and brokerage fee when planning your purchase.
5. Don't waste CBSA's time by importing crappy guns. If you're going to clog the system, at least buy something nice.
6. At least have the good sense of importing guns that actually meet the legal criteria.
7. Never lie to CBSA, that includes declared value.
8. Always assume and prepare for the worst.
9. In the event your gun is detained, always negotiate with CBSA with the utmost patience and politeness. Remember that they don't have to take crap from you.

How is what you are doing different from what Peter Kang did?

Peter did not fully comprehend the system that permitted legal importation of airsoft guns. He essentially had a number and little else to go with. He knew the combination to the lock, but not how a combination lock worked. He treated his relationship with the government antagonistically, and was finally caught falsely declaring un-upgraded as upgraded guns. If there is one thing the CBSA does not tolerate, it is being lied to.

On the other hand, the SafeAirsoft effort begun as a Graduate research project at the University of Waterloo, inspired by an ASC debate on the legality of airsoft a few years ago. At the time, my goal was only to demystify the legality of airsoft guns. It took over two years of research, including a significant amount of interviews with the RCMP, to produce a serious examination of Canadian firearm law. I'm proud to say that the RCMP has forwarded my research to Ottawa for the consideration of firearm policy researchers.

Incidentally, sorry, but I currently have no plans to make it publicly available. It is not a Cole's Notes to getting yourselves airsoft guns, it is over 2 years of my life's work.

Will there ever be an airsoft registry?

I think what most people mean is that, will there ever be a licensing requirement for airsoft. A registry would be counter-intuitive, especially give the attempt to retire the unrestricted firearm registry. In addition, the primary reason people thought a registry is a good idea is because they hope it can turn the legality of airsoft around; I've since proven that to be unnecessary.

A replica licence or registry is basically legally backwards. The whole problem airsoft was in before my success was that airsoft guns were all treated as Replica Firearms, which people cannot acquire, import or sell. When people ask for a replica registry, they might as well ask for a cocaine user registry.

As for licensing, all I can say is that Canadian law is not currently setup to support an airsoft-specific licence. To do so would require large amount of time and money on the part of the government, and would inevitably drag all airgun (paintball, pellet) communities and owners into the fray. My work to legalize airsoft now means that if licensing becomes an issue, we can now be legitimate stakeholders (a proper seat at the table without people asking "aren't your guns illegal to begin with?"), because legal airsoft guns fall into the same category as pellet guns and paintball markers.

Why call your effort "SafeAirsoft"? Isn't it technically "SaveAirsoft"?

SafeAirsoft better captures the fact that I am trying to make airsoft better overall, it's more appropriate for the comprehensive way I see the future of Canadian airsoft. SaveAirsoft implies that I'm only trying to make airsoft possible, which is not the case.

The origin of SafeAirsoft:

The eureka moment of SafeAirsoft can be traced back to this post
this post
, made nearly 3 years ago.

Thanks for the idea and support, Mcguyver. Cynics are just on the other side of the same coin as optimists; it takes both sides of the coin joined together to be worth anything.

What can I do to help?

Simple:

2. Support your Canadian legal businesses.
3. Less time QQ about airsoft online, more actually getting outside and responsibly enjoying airsoft.
4. Start introducing more (good) people to airsoft, people that traditionally would have been turned off by the illicit nature of the guns.
5. Get your firearms licence. Not because you need it for airsoft, not even because you should own a firearm. It is about showing support.
6. Join the Shooting Federation of Canada. Put "Airsoft" down as your discipline.
7. International Dealers, please respect Canadian law and continue to carefully handle orders from Canada.
   

TL;DR Version: Someone is putting in a lot of effort, talking to official government types and literally working his ass off to get us "pre-approved" brand-by-brand and model-by-model airsoft guns. The selection is fairly limited right now (about 20 guns) but they're working ever day with government agencies like the RCMP and CBSA to get these guns onto a "safe list" of pre-approved import legal guns! Now this doesn't mean the average joe can import guns willy-nilly, but retail stores like Bass Pro Shops and officially licensed airsoft retailers can import and sell them at will!

The future is now so much brighter for the Canadian airsoft community!!!

[Spartan094]

Got my gloves here. eHobby is a great online airsoft retailer, unfortunately I can only buy gear/mags/BB's/accessories from them since individuals can't import guns into Canada. Speaking of importing guns into Canada...

Successful Legalization of Non-Transparent Airsoft Guns in Canada
(Note: SHIT TON of information, maybe this will give you an idea of how stupid/complicated Canadian firearms law is)



TL;DR Version: Someone is putting in a lot of effort, talking to official government types and literally working his ass off to get us "pre-approved" brand-by-brand and model-by-model airsoft guns. The selection is fairly limited right now (about 20 guns) but they're working ever day with government agencies like the RCMP and CBSA to get these guns onto a "safe list" of pre-approved import legal guns! Now this doesn't mean the average joe can import guns willy-nilly, but retail stores like Bass Pro Shops and officially licensed airsoft retailers can import and sell them at will!

The future is now so much brighter for the Canadian airsoft community!!!

Lots of words bro. Also thanks for the link to the gloves.

So saying if I mailed you the tar-21 airsoft thats really illegal?

Cool laws bro.

[Warsaw]

dude we dont fuck around. there's like 4 within 3 hours of where i live. 1 is just a plain built up woodland area, but damn its set up nicely.

Correction: the Russians don't fuck around with airsoft. Think our fields are good? We don't have shit on the Ruskies or Ukranians.

I have two fields near where I live. One of them is an indoor CQB arena that was supposed to have a new extension that imitated Cargo from MW1, but since they are douches we only get the shitty old one which they have stopped maintaining. The second field is an hour away, and it's a private 45-acre wooded area with some open grassy areas and some forts. Oh, and a small village in one of the open areas. It's p cool.

I want some mountain warfare though. That would be my kind of terrain since it is very conducive to sniping.

[rossmum]

The problem with that is that Airsoft guns are inherently short-ranged and not immensely accurate, so the best kinds of places to play would be urban or close-country environments. Large open fields and mountainous areas are all well and good, but it kind of defeats the purpose when you have to get within a few hundred feet of your enemy anyway.

[Warsaw]

You might be surprised at how far one can accurately shoot with an airsoft gun. I can easily reach out past 100 yards with mine, and it doesn't even have a tight bore. That is nothing to scoff at. While you do have to get close, that's relative to real warfare. Since the BB drop is significantly more pronounced than bullet drop, you have to adjust your definitions of "close quarters" and "sniping." In this case, close quarters means within a few tens of feet, and sniping means shooting from a few hundred feet. Also, if you limit yourself to only shooting from a certain range, you can up the power level of your weapon to the point where you can rival actual pellet guns and .22LR for range and accuracy.

[Cortexian]

The guy with the M82 Barrett around my community posted some FPS results on our forum the other day, he teflon taped up the internals and installed a 6.01mm tight-bore. He used Red gas with the maximum FPS setting on the gun and got around 675 FPS with .20g BB's. Obviously he uses .43g BB's when playing otherwise he could cause some SERIOUS damage to gear and people if he wasn't very careful, FPS with .43g is around 460 and since it's a heavier BB it's less effected by the elements.

[rossmum]

What kind of grouping can he get at his longest range, and how far is that?

[Cortexian]

He hasn't been able to test that yet, he just got the results from that posted yesterday. I'll let you know when he does.