Wikileaks Collateral Murder Video

[=sw=warlord]

I'm out,

Don't let the door hit you on the way out.

[Boba]

This wouldn't have happened if it were Dutch helicopters.
This wouldn't have happened if it were French helicopters.
This wouldn't have happened if it were British helicopters.
This wouldn't have happened if it were German helicopters.
This wouldn't have happened if it were Canadian helicopters.

Stereotypes are there for a reason.
British people have terrible teeth.
French people are arrogant.
Canadians are over polite.
Americans are trigger happy.

Blah blah.

haha oh man, i'll remember this one

you know, when i'm putting a hellfire through your window

also 11 less ragheads that we'd have to kill later anyway

[Maniac]

And i would smile with my British teeth and apologize in a polite Canadian manor, for your actions.
What, are you trying to tell me that the french are not arrogant slobs?

[Cojafoji]

I think we've all made our points and argued our last. Maybe it's time to lock the thread?

Or maybe that's just me...

[teh lag]

I've many things to say on the topic of this topic and will probably reopen it once I've got my thoughts and the thread sorted out.

[teh lag]

Thread re-opened.

http://www.modacity.net/forums/showthread.php?t=21000

Read that before posting.

In particular,

Some of you reported posts. For that I'm at least grateful, and I'm sorry that lack of action - on my part as well as other staff members - led to this and once again added to the perception that the site is headed by incompetence. I accept blame for this and in the future I will try to handle situations like this better, so that people don't have the opportunity to turn them into this. The thing is, very few posts here would actually be bad on their own. Who can't take a little joke? Who can't spot an obvious troll for humorous effect? Well, evidently we can't. Not when we're all so excited and not when there are so many of them in one place. I seem to have had (and continue to have, no matter how many times I admit this) too much faith that we as a site are capable of handling a touch of bumpiness in arguments.

I've been criticized for locking threads too easily, which is why I'm reopening the Wikileaks thread in hopes that it won't become a nightmare so easily after I've taken the time to write this. There are many infractions and warnings that deserve to be given out here. They will be taken care of in due time - a few users are on the threshold of a stay in Detention and I don't have the time to think those decisions through right now. Until then, I hope that you guys don't make me add to the list I have right now of posts that are getting a visit from the mod fairy in a few hours.

If you have half a brain you'll know what will and won't fly in here. If you can't figure it out, leave.

[Bodzilla]

good post.

back on topic now,


Ok i'll ask you guys a question.
what is the best way to fix a problem?
analyse the cause's and reassess the systems in place behind it...... or sweep it under the rug?

This was a monumental fuck-up that led to the death of civilians, i think we can all agree on this, however as history has shown us if we choose not to acknowledge the mistakes and actions of our past we doom ourselves to repeat them.
You get the world believing that the holocaust never happened, and it will happen again. Simple as that.

The only way to Fix this problem is to do the opposite of what the military did and considering the amount of guns and money these guys have at their disposal, thats a very scary thought.

[Cojafoji]

Now Bod, I have to ask: are you suggesting that the military revamp it's ROE, to possibly include a more definitive requirement for recognizing weapons, or perhaps some sort of recognition software that could be loaded into these cameras which would help to define possible weapons more accurately? Then I have to point out, that if you revamp the former, you potentially endanger the lives of the soldier. Now I know that while some may argue, that in that situation, the civilian has priority over the safety of the soldier, we have to concede that they're both still in an active war zone. I know we shouldn't be there, and that this is their home, but I can't help but see your suggestion as a potential threat/hazard to our soldiers. A life is a life, but if you have to choose between an Iraqi adult male, and an adult male from the US, I'm kind of biased there. I know that this may have come out in the wrong way, but just hear me out on this one.

[thehoodedsmack]

Now Bod, I have to ask: are you suggesting that the military revamp it's ROE, to possibly include a more definitive requirement for recognizing weapons, or perhaps some sort of recognition software that could be loaded into these cameras which would help to define possible weapons more accurately?

That would be excellent, if there were some type of assistance technology. What should have been done immediately, however, is upgrading the camera equipment, and implementing a system to allow for more people to view and assess the action as it unfolded. I should hope they've done that by now.

[Kornman00]

Thats ridiculous your killing the enemy

Right, because it's not ridiculous to kill another fucking human being.

Read the Geneva Conventions.

If I was shooting an enemy combatant, whether they fight under the GC or not, then disengage firing thinking I had terminated them only to later see them struggling to move (read: they're still alive) it would be illegal for me to firing or attack them from then on. We'd be require to give medical aid.

This is why they tell you to Shoot To Kill.

I hate to be associated with this kind of scum. Begging to engage some targets which you're viewing from a very low resolution camera. Saying "their own fault for bringing their children to a battle". Mother fucker, that wasn't a battle, it was a massacre. There was no enemy fire, only your own.

Hell, their attire didn't even look to be that of typical insurgents.

Had that van held a Red Cross (or culture equivalent) symbol...I have to wonder if this fucking prick gunner would still have been begging to engage. Because then we'd know that he was knowingly begging to be a war criminal.