Minecraft

[Dwood]

please tell me how that makes the game itself worse?

Okay, so it's not Notch i'm mad at entirely, it's Mojang. Notch has passed up a lot of opportunities but that would have been made up for if the company didn't make bad decision after bad decision.

at this point it sounds like youre just upset at what notch did at a corporate level and youre taking it out on the game to defame notch even more.

At that post, it was semi-unrelated, however all corporate decisions in a company that small have immediate effects on the game.

please, do explain to us what the problems with THE GAME ITSELF are, and how you would have made it differently.

I'm going to name a few things here:
1. Lag
2. Taking in mods to replace developer coding.
3. Lack of updates- at this rate with notch being the only person working on the game, and the impossibly long development it takes, does the company even care about the game?

1. A large amount of lag could have been mitigated if Notch had coded the game in another yet still cross-platform language that compiles to machine language like C++, and would have left him a large window to create a real modding api. Granted the game wouldn't have gone so far so fast if it weren't for the mods but I would have made that concession. Currently, the game requires me to use a mod in order to get more than 5 fps as well.

2. As I noted, instead of sending all of Mojang's resources into development of their currently selling, tried and true title that has yet to hit a 'released' state, they are using mods to replace development time.

3. This goes back to the 'corporate' decision to leave Notch as the only developer for minecraft which is still in beta! Either their next game is going to hit home-run or they don't know how to run a software/video game company. Edit: You don't leave a product halfway through development to develop another one. You put all resources in the main product, and set minimal people to work on the new product or stall it entirely until the main product has either been released or reached the end of its development lifetime

I'm not going to talk about specific features here but we all know of where minecraft has fallen short.

and as far as investment is concerned, who is he going to go to for investment?

Mojang has a solid product that has sold over 2 million copies. Who wouldn't go for it? And You're thinking that in order to get investments you have to go to companies.

Read my post again, I'm not saying that he should sign with a publisher or licenser, I'm talking about him passing up having people financially invest in mojang so he can hire more people to work on the code for the game, and become a full-on studio, not just 7 guys in an office. The kind of people he went to meet wouldn't be dumb like a publisher would be.

[Donut]

1. A large amount of lag could have been mitigated if Notch had coded the game in another yet still cross-platform language that compiles to machine language like C++, and would have left him a large window to create a real modding api. Granted the game wouldn't have gone so far so fast if it weren't for the mods but I would have made that concession. Currently, the game requires me to use a mod in order to get more than 5 fps as well.

lag has never been an issue for me, but i definitely agree on coding this in something a little more suited for a full game.

2. As I noted, instead of sending all of Mojang's resources into development of their currently selling, tried and true title that has yet to hit a 'released' state, they are using mods to replace development time.

but is this actually a problem? i dont see this affecting the gameplay in any way except making it so i dont have to worry about installed mods breaking with official updates. i mean yeah we're still waiting on the proposed lanterns and zombie siege and capture the flag, but im not worried that we'll never see it happen.

3. This goes back to the 'corporate' decision to leave Notch as the only developer for minecraft which is still in beta! Either their next game is going to hit home-run or they don't know how to run a software/video game company. Edit: You don't leave a product halfway through development to develop another one. You put all resources in the main product, and set minimal people to work on the new product or stall it entirely until the main product has either been released or reached the end of its development lifetime

in most cases id agree with you. but the game is already in a stable playable state, with the updates being more of "add-ons" than completing an "incomplete" game. ill agree that saying its beta is a misnomer, but with what theyre doing here they might as well remove the idea of a "final product" and just keep updating the game with new stuff periodically.
i may be misunderstanding what youre saying here, though. i recall before somebody (you?) said it seems like notch getting bored with minecraft, and now it seems like hes abandoning it. if thats what you mean, im kind of 50-50 there. dev times support that notion, but the fact that things are being made at all counters it.

I'm not going to talk about specific features here but we all know of where minecraft has fallen short.

well, i was kind of looking for something along the lines of that, since it seemed like you were suggesting the gameplay itself could be better. thats what i took from it anyway.

Mojang has a solid product that has sold over 2 million copies. Who wouldn't go for it? And You're thinking that in order to get investments you have to go to companies.

well thats what im saying. he could form a full company, but from what iv read, i think thats just not what he wants to do. it seems like notch just made a game for fun that hit it big, and hes just cool with the money. is it dumb of notch and mojang economically to not try to get investments? maybe. what im saying is though i dont know who would invest in his company OTHER THAN a gaming corporation that does that sort of thing. i just dont think its feasible to hunt down people who won the lottery or anything like that. if it were me in his place, if i could find somebody who wasnt a gaming company like activision or something, i would go for the investment. if i could only get game companies though, i would seriously consider staying indie, because its my game and ill make it however i want. i dont want you telling me what i have to do to make more money. from what i can gather, thats how notch feels and that, combined with the fact that hes already rich enough to retire anyway, is why notch and mojang arnt going for investments. think about it, the guy could retire on what hes made already, and he made the game for fun in the first place. hes doing what hes doing because he wants to do it, and now he never has to do anything else. why should he make more, potentially unwanted work for himself?

E: i just read your post again. am i mistaken in believing that notch is the head of mojang?

[Dwood]

E: i just read your post again. am i mistaken in believing that notch is the head of mojang?

Yes. Notch is not the head of Mojang.

[Donut]

well then. that does change some things.

[Cortexian]

When did he not become the head of Mojang?

[Dwood]

When did he not become the head of Mojang?

Since ever.

[king_nothing_]

I think it just depends on how you define "head" of the company. Notch owns Mojang, but there is a "managing director" as well as a "business director". It would surprise me if he wasn't closely involved in everything having to do with Minecraft, though.

[Limited]

Okay, so it's not Notch i'm mad at entirely, it's Mojang. Notch has passed up a lot of opportunities but that would have been made up for if the company didn't make bad decision after bad decision.



At that post, it was semi-unrelated, however all corporate decisions in a company that small have immediate effects on the game.



I'm going to name a few things here:
1. Lag
2. Taking in mods to replace developer coding.
3. Lack of updates- at this rate with notch being the only person working on the game, and the impossibly long development it takes, does the company even care about the game?

1. A large amount of lag could have been mitigated if Notch had coded the game in another yet still cross-platform language that compiles to machine language like C++, and would have left him a large window to create a real modding api. Granted the game wouldn't have gone so far so fast if it weren't for the mods but I would have made that concession. Currently, the game requires me to use a mod in order to get more than 5 fps as well.

2. As I noted, instead of sending all of Mojang's resources into development of their currently selling, tried and true title that has yet to hit a 'released' state, they are using mods to replace development time.

3. This goes back to the 'corporate' decision to leave Notch as the only developer for minecraft which is still in beta! Either their next game is going to hit home-run or they don't know how to run a software/video game company. Edit: You don't leave a product halfway through development to develop another one. You put all resources in the main product, and set minimal people to work on the new product or stall it entirely until the main product has either been released or reached the end of its development lifetime

I'm not going to talk about specific features here but we all know of where minecraft has fallen short.



Mojang has a solid product that has sold over 2 million copies. Who wouldn't go for it? And You're thinking that in order to get investments you have to go to companies.

Do you know understand you have conflicting issues Dwood. You want him to have financial backing, which as I have repeated over and over will have production consequences. Yet you complain that mods are replacing developer code and there is a lack of updates.

How can you not grasp the fact that if it had backing, it is more than likely there would have been no release of the game, until it was complete. The production cycle of Minecraft has helped it improve. Notch would not have seen the mods people are making, he probably would have not thought of the amazing ideas people are making. Not allowing that production cycle would hamper Minecraft and decrease the quality of the product. Its not about "yeah well Minecraft developers are becoming lazy". They want what's best for the game, they want ideas, they want the feedback from players to see how they can improve.

I commend Minecraft guys for actually listening to what players want, and adding it in. Its wonderful to see so much interaction between developer and player.

I remember the massive outcry about not being able to peak over the edge of a block, you had to REALLY carefully navigate to the edge of the block to see it and add a block next to it. People asked Notch to implement a solution...he did. You can now hold shift and you WILL NOT walk off the edge.

It's a small fix, but it improved the game ten-fold.

Notch is the founder and top man in Mojang, Dwood your talking shit.

[Dwood]

I'm sorry, guess I got the difference between Markus Persson and Notch wrong. Then I blame him even more. :P

[Patrickssj6]

Notch is the founder and top man in Mojang, Dwood your talking shit.

Dwood has talking shit? :P