Recording police fuckups is now a punishable offense...in the eyes of fucktard cops

[king_nothing_]

Freelancer, you're ridiculous. I can't even find the words to explain how much so. All I can say is that I'm very, very glad you don't live in my country. One less government/law enforcement apologist in the voter pool, the better. I'm not sure how it works in Canada (I kind of doubt you do either), but here, a cop has no right to order you where to stand on your own private property for no justifiable reason. And no, "I fear for my safety" was not a just reason, it was complete bullshit. She obviously was not behaving in a threatening manner.

It blows my mind why anyone would even attempt to defend that, unless you're just an unabashed fan of authoritarianism. The woman got arrested for standing in her own yard, for fuck's sake. Think about what you're defending here. Yeah, she disobeyed an officer's order. He had no authority whatsoever to give her that order, though, so that one and only argument you have falls flat on its face.

[Cortexian]

When have I ever stated that an officer can make up laws as they go along? All I've been saying is that I'm pretty sure that there's a law that requires citizens to obey orders given by Police when they're conducting official business, and that if you don't your location is irrelevant. You're telling me that you can sit on your porch and point a loaded firearm at a Police officer and just laugh it off when he tells you to put it down and that you're under arrest. I'd love to see some place where ANY law enforcement officer would let that fly, regardless of the laws. As a matter of fact, I'd love to see some place where ANYONE that was legally armed themselves would let that fly even if they weren't law enforcement officers.

I'm also 100% certain that laws and regulations are given leeway in situational circumstances. For example, if an officer feels unsafe. I don't disagree that this instance in particular called for arresting the girl filming, but even if the cop did just make up some BS about feeling unsafe so he could stop her from filming... That's one cop, out of hundreds of thousands of cops who generally do their jobs well and people don't have a problem with. Hell he could of been having a bad day, you guys are making this out to be the end of the world because some cops don't like being filmed for whatever reason.

Open your eyes and look at the big picture please. Stop focusing on the bad apples in the bunch and try to look at the whole, then note how the whole is trying their best to weed out the bad apples. Please stop being so stereotypical against Police officers, they're not all bad.

In regards to the Tennessee officers stealing money, the idea behind seizing large amounts of money makes sense so long as it's returned afterwards if nothing illegal can be linked to it. What their doing IS literally highway robbery, especially since you need to take (most likely costly) legal action to have it returned.


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[Cortexian]

New post for my personal opinions:

My personal opinions about law enforcement (and also military personal) is that they should be able to do anything within reason to protect themselves. Every law enforcement and military member that does their job to the best of their abilities has my utmost respect. Everyone makes mistakes, but there are also people in law enforcement and the military that DON'T have their duties at heart. I despise those people in these agencies that abuse their power, there are many videos and articles I could post in here detailing such things, but that's not exactly relevant to the topic.

That said, I think people in law enforcement and military agencies should be able to do whatever they deem appropriate to secure their personal safety in any official business they're conducting. If you disagree with me, that's your right and you're able to do so. However if you do disagree with me, then my opinion of you on the subject makes me think you don't give a shit about these people's personal safety and that you'd much rather they put themselves into needlessly dangerous situations just to satisfy your "rights".

Human safety > your precious rights.

If you want to respond to this post directly, quote "New post for my personal opinions" or something and I'll move it to its own thread so this one can get back to talking about filming Police.

[king_nothing_]

When have I ever stated that an officer can make up laws as they go along? All I've been saying is that I'm pretty sure that there's a law that requires citizens to obey orders given by Police when they're conducting official business, and that if you don't your location is irrelevant.

Please point me to the legislation which grants police officers the authority to order people to do whatever they feel like for no justifiable reason when said people are on their own property.

You're telling me that you can sit on your porch and point a loaded firearm at a Police officer and just laugh it off when he tells you to put it down and that you're under arrest. I'd love to see some place where ANY law enforcement officer would let that fly, regardless of the laws. As a matter of fact, I'd love to see some place where ANYONE that was legally armed themselves would let that fly even if they weren't law enforcement officers.

What the fuck does that have to do with ANYTHING in this thread? We're talking about a woman standing in her yard with a camera, and you're creating a hypothetical about pointing a loaded gun at a cop? What the fuck? On what planet does that pass for a rational or relevant argument?

I don't disagree that this instance in particular called for arresting the girl filming, but even if the cop did just make up some BS about feeling unsafe so he could stop her from filming... That's one cop, out of hundreds of thousands of cops who generally do their jobs well and people don't have a problem with. Hell he could of been having a bad day,

Are we talking about hundreds of thousands of cops here? No, we're talking about the cops in these videos. The cops in these videos are shitty cops who deserve to be reprimanded.

you guys are making this out to be the end of the world because some cops don't like being filmed for whatever reason.

No, we're not. Honestly, I find blind apologists like yourself to be nearly as disheartening as the acts in these videos themselves. People with your mindset effectively perpetuate this crap, just like a mother who doesn't discipline her child is perpetuating the child's misbehavior.

Open your eyes and look at the big picture please. Stop focusing on the bad apples in the bunch and try to look at the whole, then note how the whole is trying their best to weed out the bad apples. Please stop being so stereotypical against Police officers, they're not all bad.

Once again, who here is talking about "all" police officers?

[Bodzilla]

you DO realize you cant have freedom or safety without rights bro.... dont you?

[Kornman00]

Open your eyes and look at the big picture please. Stop focusing on the bad apples in the bunch and try to look at the whole, then note how the whole is trying their best to weed out the bad apples. Please stop being so stereotypical against Police officers, they're not all bad.

Um, the big picture IS about these bad apples. Furthermore, "good" apples can't weed out "bad" apples if the corruption is seeded in the core, ie, the chain of command (shit rolls downhill). How about you open your eyes and stop counting sheep. Go ahead and look at what you think the "big picture" is when you get a lump on your balls. Just because you may appear to be healthy overall, doesn't mean trouble is brewing down under.

Bad apples in police (military is an entirely different subject and shouldn't be discussed in this thread) NEED to be highlighted, because they NEED to be addressed. If we don't focus on the "bad apples" then they'll continue to exist and infect the rest of the bunch. Just as cops enforce laws to say "hey, this won't be allowed/tolerated", there needs to be a checks and balance system for police which does the exact same thing for them. That system is the American people (not Canadians, hth). However, politicians seem to work against that part of the system...

Having a badge doesn't give you free rein. It doesn't make you a superior. It doesn't make you 'above the law'. It gives you the privilege to enforce the law, to the extent of federal (eg, the constitution) and state law and nothing else. The law drives police, not their "feelings" or what they deem appropriate.

New post for my personal opinions:

Human safety > your precious rights.

"Those who would sacrifice freedom for security deserve neither"

[Cortexian]

Please point me to the legislation which grants police officers the authority to order people to do whatever they feel like for no justifiable reason when said people are on their own property.

No such legislation exists.

Legislation does exist for compliance with an officers orders when he's acting on official business though. How else would they arrest people at all? You make it sound like when an officer says "you're under arrest" you can just nope.avi and walk away. Although the officer likely said he was feeling unsafe in the video just to get her to stop filming, and then arrested her on some trumped up charge afterwards. However once he expressed that to her and she ignored him she was being a cunt, generally when some politely asks you to stop doing something because it's making you feel unsafe you do it. I don't care if you're in a uniform or not, it's common curtsey. If I encountered a person recording me like that, even from public property and asked them to stop and they completely ignored me with some BS attitude like that chick I would likely call the cops on her. Because guess what, you can't film me without my express permission.

Speaking of which, doesn't this same thing apply to Police? If you're filming a single officer and they ask you to stop, they have rights as well don't they? I don't see how it's any different than filming some other random citizen.

As joining the local Police force is one of my potential career choices that I'm pursuing I'll be sure to revisit this thread when I have more solid evidence of what happens locally. Until someone can point out what the laws are regarding an officer giving orders to someone to back away because they feel unsafe, then I'm of the opinion that they're more than entitled.

What the fuck does that have to do with ANYTHING in this thread? We're talking about a woman standing in her yard with a camera, and you're creating a hypothetical about pointing a loaded gun at a cop? What the fuck? On what planet does that pass for a rational or relevant argument?

I don't see a difference, that girl has now made that cop and his friends out to be baddies. The fact of the matter is that one of them expressed concern for his safetly (no matter how BS that might be), and it was completely ignored by some cunt with a pretentious attitude.

Are we talking about hundreds of thousands of cops here? No, we're talking about the cops in these videos. The cops in these videos are shitty cops who deserve to be reprimanded.

Were there? Do you know what the cop in question was feeling at the time? No? Then stop talking, you're not god, you don't know what was happening or running through their minds.

No, we're not. Honestly, I find blind apologists like yourself to be nearly as disheartening as the acts in these videos themselves. People with your mindset effectively perpetuate this crap, just like a mother who doesn't discipline her child is perpetuating the child's misbehavior.

I'm not saying Police shouldn't have limits on what they can and can't do. I'm just saying that if one of them legitimately express concern for their safety or feel that they're being threatened that they can use whatever force they deem necessary to defend themselves, just like any other human being.

If that force is deemed excessive in the future after sufficient evidence is proven in an official capacity (not by some people on the internet) then disciplinary action should be taken.

[king_nothing_]

Legislation does exist for compliance with an officers orders when he's acting on official business though.

Please point me to the legislation which requires a citizen to comply with a police officer's order regardless of whether or not the order is lawful or unlawful.

How else would they arrest people at all?

Uh, by following the law?

Although the officer likely said he was feeling unsafe in the video just to get her to stop filming, and then arrested her on some trumped up charge afterwards. However once he expressed that to her and she ignored him she was being a cunt, generally when some politely asks you to stop doing something because it's making you feel unsafe you do it. I don't care if you're in a uniform or not, it's common curtsey.

lol. Common courtesy? That's completely irrelevant. She can be discourteous on her own property if she wants to. That's her right. She wasn't doing anything wrong, wasn't posing any threat whatsoever, and wasn't interfering with their procedure.

If I encountered a person recording me like that, even from public property and asked them to stop and they completely ignored me with some BS attitude like that chick I would likely call the cops on her. Because guess what, you can't film me without my express permission.

Sorry, but this is completely false. They were on a public street. There is no expectation of privacy.

Speaking of which, doesn't this same thing apply to Police? If you're filming a single officer and they ask you to stop, they have rights as well don't they? I don't see how it's any different than filming some other random citizen.

Also wrong. Any other falsities you'd like to pull out of your ass?

I don't see a difference,

You don't see the difference between someone standing in their yard with a camera and someone standing in their yard pointing a gun at a cop? You don't see the difference there? lol?

that girl has now made that cop and his friends out to be baddies.

Bullshit. She didn't "make them out" to be anything. They made themselves out to be baddies, or at least the one who arrested her did. He is definitely a baddie, and it's definitely of his own making.

The fact of the matter is that one of them expressed concern for his safetly (no matter how BS that might be), and it was completely ignored by some cunt with a pretentious attitude.

lol. So the fact that his "reasoning" was complete bullshit is immaterial in your eyes? This just keeps getting more and more ridiculous. Anyone with half a brain who watches that video can see that she was posing no threat whatsoever to them. Lying to try to justify an arrest doesn't exactly work when the entire thing is captured on video.

Do you know what the cop in question was feeling at the time? No? Then stop talking, you're not god, you don't know what was happening or running through their minds.

What he was feeling or thinking isn't relevant; what's relevant are his actions, which were completely wrong. That woman posed no reasonable threat to them.

Here's my guess of what was going through his mind, though: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rIVHNylH1Mk

I'm not saying Police shouldn't have limits on what they can and can't do. I'm just saying that if one of them legitimately express concern for their safety or feel that they're being threatened that they can use whatever force they deem necessary to defend themselves, just like any other human being.

Uh, it wasn't a legitimate expression of concern for their safety. We already went over that.

[Kornman00]

Protip: Joining the Canadian Bacon Squad won't give you any more credibility than you already have.

He didn't say he didn't want her filming him.
He didn't say her life may be in danger for being out there, instead of inside.

This is what she was charged with:

Emily Good was charged with obstructing governmental administration. Officers say she refused the police officer's order to leave her front yard and go inside.

...

She tells I-Team 10 she has already filed a motion to have the charge thrown out. “Basically the grounds for the motion to dismiss are that her actions did not rise to the level of a crime. It doesn't fit the statutory elements of obstructing governmental administration."

She knew the man. That's why she was recording it. She wasn't there just to be there. She was documenting a frisk of someone she knew.

e: As for the cop's "privacy", he was on a public street. There's no way he could arrest her for violating some expectation of privacy because of that, so he does this instead.

[Patrickssj6]

Hey Korn ye oldie Commie, we need you here occupying railroads against atomic waste transports

lot of lancers there as well...f the police

Time flies like an arrow; fruit flies like a banana


that's all i gotta say