Time to Start Paying Attention, America!

[leorimolo]

You guys still believe in Bipartisanship?

Its bullshit guys, nothing going to ever change.

[Warsaw]

Please explain to me how Laissez Faire capitolism is somehow a good thing. Or allowing people to exploit tax loopholes. Or decreasing public safety so a company can somehow profit.

It's a good thing because when a business fails, it fails. Then all of the smaller competitors can pick up the pieces and some will survive to become big companies themselves. When they fail, the cycle repeats.

Most of the reason we need government regulation is because of government in the first place. If companies weren't allowed to protect their interests via legislation, the only recourse they would have to survive is to continue to innovate and provide quality products and services to the people. The only needs for government regulation that I can see is monopoly and actual trusts (read: corporate circle-jerking). Most of the "anti-trust" bullshit we see today is just someone butthurt that their competition has the capability and foresight to integrate vertically. You don't see the EU slapping Apple with an anti-trust suit for bundling Safari with OSX or manufacturing its own hardware, do you?

[Bodzilla]

you guys have terrible memory's
last i checked the banks folded because they where handing out foolish amounts of money to people that couldnt pay it back, thanks to a lack of regulation enforcing safe banking practices.
only thing is when they failed they fucked up most of the worlds retirement in the process.

are you seriously telling me that if you deregulate these people that it'll be better for us?
you've got to be fucking kidding me, all they'll do is do the same shitty practices for short term profits to appease idiot shareholders meanwhile fucking everyone else right in the down under, untill they eventually collapse again.

[Patrickssj6]

It seems to be a pretty stuck mentality in many that there's absolute measurements for "left", "right", or "centre".

There is never an absolute way of telling but over here our senate is divided from right to left and it's fine. Makes sense if you have 6 different political parties.

[Aerowyn]

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Alright, America. Now that we have a someone actually trying to pass this, it's time to start giving a shit. Discuss.

Yo, it's a great idea and all, but Rick Perry is insane, and there's no way I would vote for him ever.

Mainly because he also believes in things like this:

6. The federal Constitution should define marriage as between one man and one woman in all 50 states.Despite saying last month that he was "fine with" states like New York allowing gay marriage, Perry has now said he supports a constitutional amendment that would permanently ban gay marriage throughout the country and overturn any state laws that define marriage beyond a relationship between one man and one woman.
"I do respect a state's right to have a different opinion and take a different tack if you will, California did that," Perry told the Christian Broadcasting Network in August. "I respect that right, but our founding fathers also said, 'Listen, if you all in the future think things are so important that you need to change the Constitution here's the way you do it'.
In an interview with The Ticket earlier this month, Perry spokeswoman Katherine Cesinger said that even though it would overturn laws in several states, the amendment still fits into Perry's broader philosophy because amendments require the ratification of three-fourths of the states to be added to the Constitution.
7. Abortion should be made illegal throughout the country.
Like the gay marriage issue, Perry at one time believed that abortion policy should be left to the states, as was the case before the 1973 Supreme Court case Roe v. Wade. But in the same Christian Broadcasting Network interview, Perry said that he would support a federal amendment outlawing abortion because it was "so important...to the soul of this country and to the traditional values [of] our founding fathers."

I'd maybe like to support a candidate who respects my right to reproductive freedom, and doesn't treat me like, you know, breeding chattel.

[sleepy1212]

If he goes independent, he'll just pull votes away from the democratic candidate that needs them to beat the GOP. It looks like that'll happen because the GOP sponsored media seems to be completely ignoring him.

So do the more liberal outlets.

I never thought about the possibility of him pulling needed votes from the DNC. If there was going to be a split I assumed it would be in the GOP. Isn't that why he won't run Independently?

I don't expect him to win with the GOP or as an Independent. I think he could pull a lot of votes, not enough to win, but maybe enough to realize that a third party is a doable thing. He's the right guy for a third party to latch on to right now. He has a huge following and a strong but different stance. Even though he won't be president this coming term I think success could be measured by 2016.

I had hopes for the Tea Party but that went in the shitter long before Fox realized there was a Tea Party, and then they did and it got even worse.

are you seriously telling me that if you deregulate these people that it'll be better for us?

Yes, because no one is proposing deregulation without also throwing out their backup profit system known as the taxpayer. This makes them not only liable for their own losses, but also to the shareholders and customers. they simply won't be able to take risks like trading in mortgage-backed securities.

If it weren't for current regulations these banks wouldn't be so heavily tied to our economy and fall off when they lose everything without massive system failure. The regulatory system we have now exists to enable profiteering by the federal government/corporation at our expense. It's precisely because of this bad relationship that our economy is under such stress.

[Zeph]

I never thought about the possibility of him pulling needed votes from the DNC.

Nader did a good job of that.

[Rainbow Dash]

You don't need less regulation, you need more regulation, and more regulation done PROPERLY.

[Zeph]

You don't need less regulation, you need more regulation, and more regulation done PROPERLY.

:facepalm:

[Warsaw]

you guys have terrible memory's
last i checked the banks folded because they where handing out foolish amounts of money to people that couldnt pay it back, thanks to a lack of regulation enforcing safe banking practices.
only thing is when they failed they fucked up most of the worlds retirement in the process.

are you seriously telling me that if you deregulate these people that it'll be better for us?
you've got to be fucking kidding me, all they'll do is do the same shitty practices for short term profits to appease idiot shareholders meanwhile fucking everyone else right in the down under, untill they eventually collapse again.

It doesn't matter why they folded. Businesses can and will make bad decisions sometimes. When it costs them their livelihood, that's their fault and they deserve to fold and get eaten up by the competition. The recession is the result of everyone putting all of their eggs in the one basket that fell. That's called stupid investing. The very fact that it had so much of an impact on the US economy tells me that it was one huge speculative circle-jerk in the first place; better it falls now than have it enter into another Depression later. Here's the problem: neither the Bush nor the Obama administration let them fall like they should have. So now we are riding on a patched-up ship that could capsize and sink with the slightest breeze.

@Patrickssj6: I wish people would get out of the "if you don't vote Democrat or Republican, your vote is wasted" mentality here. That way, we'd see some real competition in government.

@Aerowyn: But it's not a great idea. The Supreme Court doesn't need to be meddled with; giving Congress the power to override a ruling of constitutionality with a 2/3 majority? That basically eliminates the single most effective check on Congress. Removing the lifetime terms for Justices won't solve anything, it will just make it easier for parties to position more sympathetic individuals into power, making it easier for them to have the panel in their pocket. Yeah, Perry is dangerous.