No, he just ordered Gitmo to be closed and tried introducing a standardized public healthcare service.Originally Posted by DarkHalo003
That's a hell of a lot more for the US citizen his predecessor did, GWB stripped you of alot of rights.
You know, there's a technical term to being unable to to see what's staring at you in the face and instead prefer what's invisible and likely none existent.
It's called being thick.
Pocket Veto.
Yeah, you should stop being thick.
1.) I understand Gitmo closing was good. I never said its closing was not.
2.) Just because countries outside the U.S. have free health care does not mean it will work for the U.S. Our government sucks at running anything (look at our fucking Congress, bureaucracy, and how shitty current social benefits are), it is COMPLETELY UNFEASIBLE GIVEN OUR CURRENT ECONOMIC STATE AND WE DON'T HAVE THE MONEY TO EVEN SUPPORT THIS BY 2014, and it fucks with every other non-governmental system (I know, I worked in an office that dealt with Medicaid and Medicare, both of which back everything up and cause a shitstorm of frustration for both the consumer and provider). On top of all of this, health care that the government would give us would do almost NOTHING to lower the prices of operations and whatnot people would go in for. Obamacare (or whatever the fuck you wanna call it) is a fraud.
3.) If your still stuck on GWB, then fucking get your head out of your ass. Talk about thick.
And Warsaw is right, although it is a lot more difficult to accomplish than originally intended.
PSST.
It won't work because people are too shit scared about something social turning communist.
We've already debated this.
No, it's not that, it's because it won't work. Too entirely different things. Our president worked with the bill because almost every liberal/Democratic in the country was exclaiming for it. Naturally, conservatives are against another expenditure as such (as it is a major leap in infrastructure changing), but the educated individuals here see that it won't work given the U.S.'s current circumstances regarding the economy and how much health care is corporate. Maybe one day in the future, but not now or within this decade.
In order for it to happen within a decade, you have to start working for it though. Thats what you're not understanding. These things don't just happen. Its not just a bill that gets passed and everything works out. There is work to be done. Steps to be taken. Its not magical.
Also I kept reading WarLord's posts in Sheldon Cooper's voice.
Amazing.
Not exactly sure how my posts hint that it "just happens." I even inferred that if it would work it would be after this decade.
You want more jobs to help boost your economy?
You want better health care and not be proved in the colon by insurance companies?
You better get to work sooner rather than later.
If everyone went by the motto of "meh get it done next decade" nothing would ever be done.
1.) Government jobs in the U.S. are shit. As they are now, they do jackshit for the economy. They pay jackshit (though I'm not to exclude them simply because it IS a job) and give you benefits of jackshit (seriously, we've covered how horrible our government's current benefits are). Basically, here is the problem with your statement there: just because it works in Europe and Canada, doesn't mean it works in the U.S. You can take my statements as what you want, but considering you aren't taking the time to research both sides then this entire post is more or less wasting internet. Now if you're proposing we turn the Bureaucracy into the right track and fix it up, then I completely agree. The bureaucracy is a load of shit as is. However, government jobs do nothing for the U.S. economy when you delve into it all. That's part of being an entirely capitalist society.
2.) You don't live in the U.S. and are going by the "industry-fucks-its-consumers" mentality that every ass-mad-ranting American blogger curses about. The proper health insurance companies (yes, they exist) and certain sectors of the medical industry (the private sector is good, seek it out) are perfectly fine and reliable. My family is in the private sector of medical and I've worked for the private sector of medical. You're not skull-fucked until you reach the corporate-sector, which in case you have every right to be pissed. However, if you're smart and obtain good health insurance (Aflac is a great start) by researching before you bitch about it all, then you'll realize "Obamacare" is unnecessary. There is only one exception to the "Our government sucks with running healthcare" sentiment I rant on about and that's the Federal inclusion of Blue Cross Blue Shield in certain jobs, such as Education, though I don't entirely know the specifics behind it all in terms of how much involvement the government has. Here's the link in Wikipedia for it:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_Cr...ld_Association
My dad is a college professor who is not on the tenure track, which is how I know a bit about Blue Cross Blue Shield as a medical insurance provider.
3.) This decade is not the appropriate time to setup nor attempt to operate ANOTHER social-benefit in the U.S. The economic is still in decay and our government is becoming more and more questionable. It needs massive reformation and an entire re-haul of the bureaucracy before tackling healthcare for everyone.
But enough about healthcare and Obama's inability to fulfill promises in a thread about SOPA. PM me if you want to continue this conversation.
No comments on my Sheldon Cooper joke?
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