let's have a POLITIK DISCUSHIN

[=sw=warlord]

I know right?
Just look at all those libertarians who shrink away at the slightest challenge to their "logic".
Speaking of which, where is King_Nothing?

[n00b1n8R]

this isn't a thing i do though. are you projecting again?

Guess bodie's brother was full of shit then

[Dwood]

Have some faith bro.

I apologize- I got frustrated by exaggerations and blanket statements. Then, made a few of my own and lost tact.

Also, wow, that's an eye opening video in the Greece article. I didn't even know that was going on. Thanks for clue-ing me in, mucho appreciated.

Edit: The video cited is from 2009. Are those camps still there?

[TVTyrant]

This thread needs Selentic and King Nothing to be any fun, and both of them are gone.

So it's Ross whining about people who live a 24 hour flight away from him and Dwood trying to have a rational conversation while n00b throws insults at Ross about his University career and his perceived autism

Overall, actually a pretty successful thread

[rossmum]

That is an enormous exaggeration with no facts behind it. Even if the population count were the same as it was in the 1700's, the number of people who can read and do basic math, even algebra, are extremely higher than ever before. Our lack of knowledge is something we can only blame ourselves for. We can't blame anyone but ourselves for not doing proper research before spending money on something ridiculous.

wow, it's like you didn't read and process what i said at all! it's almost like having a society with a really high literacy and numeracy rate and advanced technology and medicine, but also having same society swear fealty to invisible people and believe wearing a plastic "healing stone" will cure them of cancer, would indicate them being the most ignorant society ever!

If I buy a bad computer or whatever, that's my fault for not doing the research on that brand/product. SURE, outside factors INFLUENCE the decisions, but I get the feeling you look at people as a bunch of dolts and idiots. You, sir, need a reality check. There are many idiots in the world. But more than ever, there are GENIUSES who are working HARD to make livings in honest ways. There always have been, and always will be people who make it sound like they are doing something magical when they aren't.

if i am too poorly educated to realise that magnets are not some cureall, and some fucktard tells me magnets will fix my gallstones and backs it up with a bunch of pseudo-scientific bullshit i am not educated enough to call them out on, then is that still okay?

news flash! not everyone has a++ literacy skills, topped their class in science, and has instant access to the internet. even those who do put a tick in all three of those boxes are not infallible, i mean religion still exists just to name the most obnoxious example of supposedly educated people believing unconditionally in a bunch of completely imaginary fairy magic

1. MASSIVE exaggeration. 2. It is entirely defensible if you'd stop exaggerating, and look back at my original post where I say if you don't like your situation, DO SOMETHING. Don't just sit there and whine about how it's the government's job to fix everything.

it's not a massive exaggeration. that kind of shit happens on an hourly basis and you just defended it. you are insinuating that it is, in fact, not abhorrent for some quack to exploit somebody's vulnerability and use it to bleed them dry of money.

your logic is a complete joke. i don't like murder, should the government stop legislating against it and tell me to bootstraps? should i make my entire life's work to hunt down alternative "medicine" scam artists and then glower at them intently, since you seem to think there should be no legal or social vilification of such a thing?

Quantify "shit together"- it's such a loose term

yes it is, because most people have at least one aspect of their life where their shit is most decidedly not together! i know it's hard for you to process people as living, diverse beings instead of computers that base every decision on a flowchat of "WILL THIS BE OF SOCIAL OR FINANCIAL PROFIT TO ME", but do try.

and your use of 'remarkably few people genuinely do' also reiterates my belief that you have a skewed thought pattern to think that the general masses are idiots, incapable of making their own decisions. You can't bring down the people on top while bringing the up the ones on bottom. I have yet to see any society excel that attempts to do it. I ask for examples and proof where bringing down those who are rich makes the lives of those on the bottom better.

well for a start, that wealth is shared around more equally, but if you feel there is a single justification in the world for why such a tiny proportion of the population should hold the majority of assets go right ahead, i'm all ears.

also, i am not thinking of the general public as idiots, i am just not thinking of them as all being robots programmed exactly the same way like you are.

What society is capable of taking out the rich? None. There always have been, and always will be, so long as we are human, inequality in life, money, skill, mental ability.

oh boy cop-out excuses, i love these. which one next, "it's human nature to want to be better than others, you can't change it"? that one's my favourite

Guess bodie's brother was full of shit then

i am fairly certain the only time i ever spoke to any of bodie's relatives was at his 21st

[n00b1n8R]

i am fairly certain the only time i ever spoke to any of bodie's relatives was at his 21st

Yes

[Bodzilla]

Turns out there was some break through in understanding the concept of empathy in our species.

Turns out being empathetic is a human nature thing that has helped us greatly in our development as a species.
That and it turns out sharing is also a very human thing.

Turns out to be a got mine fuck you makes you distinctly un-human, according to our social evolution.

[Warsaw]

I apologize- I got frustrated by exaggerations and blanket statements. Then, made a few of my own and lost tact.

Also, wow, that's an eye opening video in the Greece article. I didn't even know that was going on. Thanks for clue-ing me in, mucho appreciated.

Edit: The video cited is from 2009. Are those camps still there?

Video? I was looking at the written articles cited, which came from 2012. Yes, they are still there. I got an alert message to my email earlier this summer from Demand Progress about it getting worse now. That's also how I found out about the Hungary situation.

[sleepy1212]

Turns out there was some break through in understanding the concept of empathy in our species.

Turns out being empathetic is a human nature thing that has helped us greatly in our development as a species.
That and it turns out sharing is also a very human thing.

Turns out to be a got mine fuck you makes you distinctly un-human, according to our social evolution.

That rationale only works well in relatively small groups. These aren't adaptations that necessarily cover planetary populations, only those governing interactions in perceived local groups such as families, clans, villages, colonies, etc.. .In other words, 'sharing my limited resources with everyone on the planet' is not an evolutionary imperative. Hoarding might be and could also explain the origins of marriage according to this book, and then by the benefit of limited social interactions, extended to those in our immediate group.

You're right in that empathy helps us redefine what we consider our "group" so that we can interact in large scale but I wouldn't call it evolutionary - unless you're referring strictly to evolution a la social in a very pop-sci kind of way. The problem for us is, we're just not as evolved as our culture and there's a lot of dysfunction caused by the disparity between who were are and who we think we are as expressed by art and technology. We have to catch up because in truth, we're a lot nicer as people than we are as animals.


As far as the politics in this thread...get over it. We're fucked. Bury an AK in the woods and find something interesting to do while you wait.

[rossmum]

Turns out to be a got mine fuck you makes you distinctly un-human, according to our social evolution.

right, like i said, autistic manchildren