Halo: Anniversary - The Halo 1 remake (fuck anyone who calls it "halo ce" remake)

Someone must have pried a weapon from his cold dead hands as well. I mean, look at them.

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Originally Posted by TeeKup

Okay I think I've nailed it down.

1: First off the sequence itself seems to have gotten faster, that's a big no no. This needed to be one of those slow down, and listen and observe everything sequences.

2: Secondly, I like the idea of giving the chief a bit more emotion to him, but he's way too jittery and excited. This need to be toned down a lot. It's understandable for him to be worried but he still needs to retain some cool. An example, instead of the finger twitching, how about as the camera pans across the gun we see his grip tighten. The over exaggerated head turning in the beginning was completely bad too. Instead of that, how about just a slight twitch to recognize the noise, then turn completely around.

3:The armor clipping, especially the helmet right after he turn around needs to be fixed.

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Overlapping action... the new one has none. Ani101 :eng101:

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Originally Posted by Ki11a_FTW

Cant believe breaking benjamin went on hiatus, It wouldve been awesome if 343 wouldve brought them in for Halo 4.

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It's not even Breaking Benjamin anymore. Over the hiatus they were having disputes with Aaron (lead guitar) and Mark (bassist) who had given permission for that band Valora to make the remix of Blow Me Away, which Ben hadn't really authorized. Something like that.

Long story short: Aaron and Mark were fired back in May.

welp, here's my hopes for this game down the shitter.

I wouldn't mind if they revised it and did slow it down a bit, but if they fix that clipping and the dead body, then I honestly wouldn't complain.

Am I the only one who has nothing bad to say about the changes they've made to the cinematics? I'm sure the gameplay and all is exactly the same as before (which is the important part).

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Originally Posted by ODX

It's not even Breaking Benjamin anymore. Over the hiatus they were having disputes with Aaron (lead guitar) and Mark (bassist) who had given permission for that band Valora to make the remix of Blow Me Away, which Ben hadn't really authorized. Something like that.

Long story short: Aaron and Mark were fired back in May.

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Yeah I know:( I mean I'm sure he'll start something else if his illness ever clears up, still wouldve been intresting to see what the actuallly had planned for the blow me away music video, oh well.



But that cutscene is just absolutly TERRIBLE, saying it yet again, so much things could be better (Animations, lighting, scripting) Especially that ragdoll, What the fuck? Like thats a pretty obvious problem that I'd think would need to be fixed before putting up any video

Anyone else notice that Jenkins is giving us the bird from the afterlife?
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omg why :gonk:

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Originally Posted by IGMBiti

Anyone else notice that Jenkins is giving us the bird from the afterlife?
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omg why :gonk:

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Originally Posted by Kornman00

Someone must have pried a weapon from his cold dead hands as well. I mean, look at them.

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Index finger ;)

Oops this video game will most likely suck due to the cutscenes, you know, the thing that people got bored of and skipped for more alien killing action
Yeah that cut scene sucked, doesn't really stop me wanting to play the game, atleast the only time I'll see the chief is when I'm getting in and out of vehicles.

Yeah, cause everyone who dislikes this cutscene hates Bungie, 343, and Halo Anniversary in general.

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Originally Posted by Pooky

Yeah, cause everyone who dislikes this cutscene hates Bungie, 343, and Halo Anniversary in general.

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The past few pages seem cranky, one even stated dislike for the whole game!

To quote POTA, "where there's one there's another and another".

They couldn't just let things be...

Do you think they will give us flood infection animations? Or are the infection forms just going to leap onto marines/elites/grunts/etc. and kill them like in Halo 1 and Halo 2?

Depends on what animation technology they're using in HD (I don't see them using anything new in "classic" mode). They could probably reuse the H3 infection animations, but who knows how much work retargetting those animations to Saber3D would be.

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Originally Posted by ODX

It's not even Breaking Benjamin anymore. Over the hiatus they were having disputes with Aaron (lead guitar) and Mark (bassist) who had given permission for that band Valora to make the remix of Blow Me Away, which Ben hadn't really authorized. Something like that.

Long story short: Aaron and Mark were fired back in May.

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terrible band anyway so who cares

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Originally Posted by TPBlinD

terrible band anyway so who cares

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:mech:

I care...

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Originally Posted by TPBlinD

terrible band anyway so who cares

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You're probably just annoyed (as much as I am/was too) by the overuse of "Blow Me Away" and therefore got an inherit hate.
Or you're just a fucking moron [looking to horribly troll].


Also I'm still not seeing much wrong with the animations. At least, anything MAJOR.

you think the energy swords and fuel rods will be usable?

No, I don't.

I think adding the sword as a usable weapon would be a bad idea. It would make fighting the flood less intense. But that's just my opinion.

I'd love to see them add the ability to use them through skulls, but leaving them the way they are in the regular non-skull game.

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Originally Posted by KingFisher

I think adding the sword as a usable weapon would be a bad idea. It would make fighting the flood less intense. But that's just my opinion.

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You know you wouldn't HAVE to pick them up right?

I think the skull method would be a cool way to implement a lot of recent stuff without messing with original gameplay. More so, it could disable the 'Back' feature and allow things like flood infection or boarding.

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Originally Posted by DarkHalo003

I think the skull method would be a cool way to implement a lot of recent stuff without messing with original gameplay. More so, it could disable the 'Back' feature and allow things like flood infection or boarding.

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This is a damn good idea actually. Having skulls to enable things like boarding, turn off killswitches on enemy weapons, or various other things would allow everyone to play the game how they want to.

Not that I think that'll actually happen.

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Originally Posted by Pooky

turn off killswitches on enemy weapons

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what?

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Originally Posted by Kornman00

what?

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The failsafes found on the Energy Sword and FRG.

http://www.halo.xbox.com/en-us/news/...-92111-/249249

That looks pretty damn amazing.

timberland is a great map choice. Most visually appealing to me after death island.

no timberland is a crappy map.

it's only fun if you're in a 'i feel like nading some hogs' mood.
i don't get why they don't do Danger Canyon, by far the best fucking map Halo PC had to offer.

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Originally Posted by ODX

You're probably just annoyed (as much as I am/was too) by the overuse of "Blow Me Away" and therefore got an inherit hate.
Or you're just a fucking moron [looking to horribly troll].


Also I'm still not seeing much wrong with the animations. At least, anything MAJOR.

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Breaking Benjamin are hideously shit

Welp, the shotgun fp is irritating as hell to me but everything else looks/sounds brutal.

The shotgun's empty reload doesn't have quite the same punch it used to, but the rest of the sounds don't bother me.

The AR sounds like an actual gun now, which is nice.

Plasma pistol overcharge animation actually clips into the camera.
That's going to annoy like mad if they leave that in.

Their plasma pistol is even more obnoxiously over-detailed than Reach's was :|

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Originally Posted by Pooky

Their plasma pistol is even more obnoxiously over-detailed than Reach's was :|

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But isn't it the Plasma Pistol from Reach? I thought they just took the model from there and stuck it in Anniversary like they did for other stuff.

I don't see the problem with it personally, it looks rather nice, especially that extra little light on the overheat flap.

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Originally Posted by Hotrod

But isn't it the Plasma Pistol from Reach? I thought they just took the model from there and stuck it in Anniversary like they did for other stuff.

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My understanding is that they used Reach weapons for placeholder, but by now it's probably all Anniversary stuff.

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Originally Posted by Siliconmaster

My understanding is that they used Reach weapons for placeholder, but by now it's probably all Anniversary stuff.

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The Shotgun is the Reach model, as well as the Plasma Rifle, Plasma Pistol, Rocket Launcher and Needler from what I've seen. Why make new versions when the Reach weapons work fine? The only weapons they replaced with a new model (from what I've seen) are the Assault Rifle and Pistol, since the Reach models are way too different from Halo 1's versions of the weapons.

The AR is obviously the Halo 3 version of the weapon and it wouldn't surprise me if the Pistol was too.

Hmm, guess I'm just so used to seeing those models in the context of Reach that seeing them with (granted upgraded versions of) Halo 1 backdrops makes them look totally new to me.

Yeah, it could be. The different animations also make a difference, and some of the weapons (well, the shotgun anyway) have different textures, which could also make a difference in how you perceive them.

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Originally Posted by Hotrod

some of the weapons (well, the shotgun anyway) have different textures, which could also make a difference in how you perceive them.

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So basically, what I said in the first place. :haw:

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Originally Posted by Pooky

So basically, what I said in the first place. :haw:

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Well, not really, cause the Plasma Pistol in Anniversary is exactly the same as the one in Reach with little to no texture changes.




I didn't have time to start up Reach to get a better shot of a Plasma Pistol since I have to go to class at uni in 5 minutes, but that should do the trick.

Hmm...I wonder if those are the final assets though. Keep in mind, they said a great time ago they had redone sound; they might now just be releasing older footage. They've been working on this stuff for a while, so I'm sure the actual build could be different. Just a thought though. If anyone has content to the contrary, then please do post.

IIRC, that's the same crappy Scaleform Gfx UI from the 343GS 3D demo at PAX (which should have been the same build from E3). Of course, that could just mean they're sticking with that same crappy Scaleform Gfx UI for release.

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Originally Posted by Kornman00

IIRC, that's the same crappy Scaleform Gfx UI from the 343GS 3D demo at PAX (which should have been the same build from E3). Of course, that could just mean they're sticking with that same crappy Scaleform Gfx UI for release.

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Yeah, it makes me chuckle every time they say "what would this game look like 10 years later?" and the HUD still look like it was drawn 10 years ago. At least, it looks 2000-era to me.

I have a theory as to why this all is though:
-They can sub in a new rendering and shader system, but cannot sub in a new HUD and Animation system between the now-and-then features.

That Flash HUD is used in both rendering modes, sadly. Essentially, only the core game/simulation logic was retained. Animations have an impact on the game state (well, expect for FP anims), so they couldn't really touch them without breaking the original H1.

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Originally Posted by Hotrod

Well, not really, cause the Plasma Pistol in Anniversary is exactly the same as the one in Reach with little to no texture changes.

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You can clearly see in those pictures they added an extra light to the sight, making the already over-detailed weapon a completely jumbled mess. What happened to the clean lines and smooth textures of the H1/H2 Covenant weapons?

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Originally Posted by Pooky

You can clearly see in those pictures they added an extra light to the sight, making the already over-detailed weapon a completely jumbled mess. What happened to the clean lines and smooth textures of the H1/H2 Covenant weapons?

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That's already in Reach. It's just harder to notice since the animations for it shake more. See here : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LI9o1...eature=related

Idk, it still seems different to me. Could just be the lighting. Either way I never liked the Reach plasma pistol (or any of its weapon designs really) to start with.

The h1 and h2 versions of the covenant weapons are so boring and plain, I am really glad to see them get some serious detail work. I really dont like how simple and plain they are in H1 especially. Why is more detail worse?

It's not that adding detail makes it worse, it's that adding the wrong detail makes it worse. Covenant stuff is supposed to be sleek and streamlined. But the detail they're adding is not streamlined, making it look worse.

And the weapons in Reach and CEA aren't? They are still sleek and streamlined, they just have more detail, and a slightly different art style. The detail makes it so much more interesting, especially when you look at the comparison between the H1 and CEA plasma pistols, the H1 versions where so simple and boring, with so little detail. It may be sleek, and streamlined, but it is boring to look at.

I find myself agreeing with Bobblehob, the weapons in Reach are lovely. I was comparing the Reach Plasma Pistol to the one in Halo 3 and I kept noticing how the one in Halo 3 was so ugly.

It's a matter of preference. But I think all the unnecessary detail just makes the weapons blend in with eachother and ruins their distinctive silhouettes.

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I don't know about you, But I think that the silhouettes here are pretty distinctive regardless of the extra details, if not more so in the new images.

It's still there obviously, just not quite as smooth. I find the Reach weapons ugly in general, there's no point trying to convince me otherwise.

Halo 1 Covie weapons were smooth and shiny.
Halo 1 Hunam weapons were dull and boxy.

Halo Reach Covie weapons are dull and boxy.
Halo Reach Human weapons are smooth and shiny.

Naw, the main difference between Halo 1 and Halo: Reach is the addition of greeblies on both sides. Cliche sci-fi greebly weapons.

I always loved the reach weapon designs :s.

Just something about the chamfered edges and that no angle is too harsh makes the whole design seem much more tangible than any other incarnation of the weapons. Plus the fact that functionality WAS added visually. For example, the assault rifle. In Halo 1/odst it just looked like 3 chunks of metal slapped together and fastened with bolts. In reach not only was it split in to sections that made logical sense, but some sections were obviously interchangeable with other components that would be more useful to a not-spartan. Like the ammo counter could be switched with a sight. It also looks like a foregrip/ grenade launcher could be added if you removed the flashlight. This carries over to all the other weapons. I love it.

Except the DMR looks like an unwieldy brick and has its front sight post up WITH a scope, when clearly it can be folded down.

Yeah, no, Bungie was just doing what they thought looked cool.

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Originally Posted by Warsaw

Except the DMR looks like an unwieldy brick and has its front sight post up WITH a scope, when clearly it can be folded down.

Yeah, no, Bungie was just doing what they thought looked cool.

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I think we already reached a consensus that Bungie is gun stupid. Sniper rifle still looks good though so whatever.

I dunno man, Im pretty sure they could do realistic guns if they wanted to :P

For those of you that are interested, here's an off-screen playthrough of PoA. Oh, and I know some people will cry about this but it seems that the different ranks of Elites have different armours like they did in Reach. I for one love that idea, but some people will complain that it's not exactly what they did in Halo 1 and all that.

Anyway, here are the videos :

Part 1:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fG-DM8f2AC0&feature=channel_video_title
Part 2:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wJxhoe6iT6g&feature=relmfu

That's a LOT of soda cans. Looks like my desk
E: THEY DIDN'T SHOW THE NEW CORTANA :maddowns:

Hot damn, I don't want to watch all the way through these videos xD Spoilllerrrrzzzz

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Originally Posted by Bobblehob

Hot damn, I don't want to watch all the way through these videos xD Spoilllerrrrzzzz

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I didn't want to either, but I couldn't stop myself once I started :S

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Originally Posted by Hotrod

I didn't want to either, but I couldn't stop myself once I started :S

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Hahaha, yeah, I came back and watched them anyway, but luckily they didn't show the end of level cutscene xD. That is what I was worried about...

What does it matter if you already played the game a decade ago? There's nothing to spoil.

You haven't heard Amit? In the remake, Keyes survives and adopts a grunt. Oh, whoops, forgot to put a spoiler warning before that.

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Originally Posted by Amit

What does it matter if you already played the game a decade ago? There's nothing to spoil.

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Im excited to see the way the game looks with modern graphics :P Sorry if that is surprising to you...

"All the things we've learned in 10 years of making Halo."

And what should be at the top of those lessons learned, 343I? DO. NOT. FUCK. WITH. THE. FORMULA.

They haven't xD

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Originally Posted by Amit

What does it matter if you already played the game a decade ago? There's nothing to spoil.

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Like Bobblehob said, I'd want to wait to see everything for myself while playing it to have a nice surprise rather than see all the new graphics on a shitty off screen video.

If custom, mo-capped 3rd person animations appear during cinematics I'm fairly certain 343i will be burned to the ground.

We've already seen that they have attempted it. I'm pretty sure they will try to ram it through rather than cut their losses when it comes to the motion capture in cutscenes.

Apparently, only a pretty small team has been working on it (and then, an even smaller part of that is from 343i), so the quality of such things like cutscene anims may just be due to insufficient or incompetent manpower.

Maybe they recorded the mo-cap with...the Kinect :3

Do the 3rd person animations from the original game not work in the new engine?

They could do what anyone else in the Custom Edition community does and use the JMA importer/exporter to put 'em into 3ds Max and go off from there. It shouldn't be that hard.

I'm sure the 3rd person animations do work, but they don't really look that great compared to today's standards, so I can see why they'd make new ones.

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Originally Posted by DarkHalcyon

Do the 3rd person animations from the original game not work in the new engine?

They could do what anyone else in the Custom Edition community does and use the JMA importer/exporter to put 'em into 3ds Max and go off from there. It shouldn't be that hard.

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I'd imagine they have access to the source assets used in the first game which they can compile themselves.

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Originally Posted by Hotrod

I'm sure the 3rd person animations do work, but they don't really look that great compared to today's standards, so I can see why they'd make new ones.

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The old animations look fine, the new ones they made look horrible.

Their *new* assault rifle really reminds me (for good or bad) of CMTs from the Snow Grove era as far as anims and color scheme go.

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Originally Posted by Pooky

The old animations look fine, the new ones they made look horrible.

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You must be trippin, the old animations are marginal, because they are old. Excluding the little bit of jitteryness, from what we have seen, the new ones look far better.

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Originally Posted by Bobblehob

You must be trippin, the old animations are bleh, besides the little bit of jitteryness, from what we have seen, the new ones look far better.

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I honestly can't tell if you're serious or not.

I always hated the original anims when I (shittily) modded maps. I sucked too bad to do anything about it though.

The original animations are pretty simplistic yes, but at least they don't make the chief look like he's in cocaine withdrawal.

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Originally Posted by Pooky

I honestly can't tell if you're serious or not.

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I am quite serious, the animation where the chief opens the door and takes the chip from jenkins helmet? That one looked quite nice. It was a little jittery granted, but it still looked far better than the original.

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Originally Posted by Pooky

he's in cocaine withdrawal.

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you talk as if that's a bad thing :colbert:

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Originally Posted by nuttyyayap

Bobblehob, is the dick you get from 343 and Bungie fucking your mind up or something? Your worse than the B.net kiddies...

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Is it so bad that he has a different opinion that you do? You call him worse than the B.net kiddes, though you're the one insulting him for not thinking the exact same way you do...

The head jittering in that one cinematic was really odd, but I did find most of the other animations to actually be superior to the originals as well.

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Originally Posted by nuttyyayap

Your worse

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His what?

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Originally Posted by nuttyyayap

Bobblehob, is the dick you get from 343 and Bungie fucking your mind up or something? Your worse than the B.net kiddies...

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Umad bro?

Haha, except that I actually have an informed opinion, I actively criticize what I think is bad, and I act intelligent on a regular basis. I apologize for not being as critical of the two companies as you expect from me. Now get the fuck off of my back.

Okay okay, sorry about that. (morning temper)
Let's move on, and Bobble, I am terribly sorry I trolled you.
Anyway, animations look good for the cutscenes.

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Originally Posted by Bobblehob

I am quite serious, the animation where the chief opens the door and takes the chip from jenkins helmet? That one looked quite nice. It was a little jittery granted, but it still looked far better than the original.

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The demos seen of the cutscene are obviously (given the clipping and shitty ragdoll marine) works in progress. However, what IS NOT ACCEPTABLE IS THE FUCKING AR CLIP THAT'S FLOATING MID-AIR WITH THAT H1 AR RELOAD. WTF.

Also, H1 Elite running animations suck. I really wish they could have invested in being able to integrate a new animation system alongside the old one. A major part about modern game technology is the availability of new animations (both 3P and FP).

If the choice is between dated animations and bad animations, I wish 343i just stuck with the old, dated anims.

>Omg the animations r tewwible!!!

You're still gonna buy it and you know it

Most of you at least..

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Originally Posted by t3h m00kz

>Omg the animations r tewwible!!!

You're still gonna buy it and you know it

Most of you at least..

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yeah, when does this thing come out anyways?

The animations aren't bad arteen, and the game comes out on November 15th

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Originally Posted by Warsaw

Except the DMR looks like an unwieldy brick and has its front sight post up WITH a scope, when clearly it can be folded down.

Yeah, no, Bungie was just doing what they thought looked cool.

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uh... that's called co-witness. acogs and magnifiers do this today on m4's. there's nothing wrong with it.

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Originally Posted by SnaFuBAR

uh... that's called co-witness. acogs and magnifiers do this today on m4's. there's nothing wrong with it.

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:o SnaFuBAR posted. Its a sign...