I would not touch Norinco with a ten-foot pole. For many reasons. Not the least of which is the fact that they openly sell arms to known criminal groups, circumventing federal regulations.
Fuck the Chinese. The sooner their housing market explodes, the sooner we can all point and laugh at them and get our money back.
February 11th, 2012, 02:41 AM
Amit
Re: Modacity shooters' thread
Holy shit, just read up on Norinco. Not touching a damn thing from Marstar.
February 11th, 2012, 03:18 AM
TVTyrant
Re: Modacity shooters' thread
Norinco as a company is evil. Its the ching chong government (AMERICA!!!) trying to fuck people over. It is literally the arms manufacturing wing of the PRC government.
That being said, their shit usually works and works well. Soviet designs don't fail. The only thing that goes wrong is that they are insanely inaccurate because they are shitting these out to sell to the enemies of America (and Canada), the UK, and Australia as fast as humanly possible.
Basically buy a Norinco if you love the evil version of communism that wants to melt your face for owning a house (aka not Ross's communism), or if you love terrorism.
AMERICA!!!
February 11th, 2012, 04:13 AM
rossmum
Re: Modacity shooters' thread
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Actually, thats not the story I read when it came out at all.
What I had read was about American citizens who are Hispanic buying loads of semi-automatic AK style guns and bringing them across the border to sell to the cartels. Thats a border patrol problem, not an ATF problem. And yes, it has been a disaster.
i heard the atf has been setting up straw purchases and letting guns go for some time in some grossly incompetent attempt to track them or something or other. it didn't make a whole lot of sense (like most atf-related things). in any case the atf is a horrible agency made up of bigots and/or horrible objectionable people who think it is just fine to kick someone's door in then shoot their dog and rub their face in it without any good reason. fuck the atf.
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Originally Posted by TVTyrant
Norinco as a company is evil. Its the ching chong government (AMERICA!!!) trying to fuck people over. It is literally the arms manufacturing wing of the PRC government.
That being said, their shit usually works and works well. Soviet designs don't fail. The only thing that goes wrong is that they are insanely inaccurate because they are shitting these out to sell to the enemies of America (and Canada), the UK, and Australia as fast as humanly possible.
Basically buy a Norinco if you love the evil version of communism that wants to melt your face for owning a house (aka not Ross's communism), or if you love terrorism.
AMERICA!!!
if i wanted to support terrorism i'd move to the us and vote republican
February 11th, 2012, 04:18 AM
rossmum
Re: Modacity shooters' thread
on a more serious note though, there are a lot of companies people buy shit from daily without guilt (some are even hailed as wonderful champions of society) which do horribly fucked up shit.
next time you go to fill up your car, ask yourself if you're supporting terrorism by buying a product from a company (shell) that no shit armed and funded various african factions to prolong existing conflicts, thus driving down their operating costs. i would feel less guilty buying weapons from the dprk than i would buying petrol these days. while we're on the subject of dodgy deals, there was one us firearms manufacturer quite recently busted for selling firearms to crims and guess who funded, trained, and supplied pretty much every country we have fought since vietnam? :haw:
not to say the prc's government aren't fuckwits, though. they most certainly are.
February 11th, 2012, 05:35 AM
TVTyrant
Re: Modacity shooters' thread
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Originally Posted by rossmum
funded, trained, and supplied pretty much every country we have fought since vietnam? :haw:.
Whos guns do they use? Which side gave advanced weaponry to whom in Korea AND Nam? Every fucking time the US tried to be low key with shit (we gave the SK's fucking TRAPDOOR RIFLES ffs) and avoid conflict, the Russians and Chinese took a big shit of guns and tanks and jets in whatever country they supported. The system fucked up the Soviets too, since all of Eastern Europe rebelled using their wings of the Red Army and by shutting down the communist economy. But when you look at the history of arms supplies, America has been pretty innocent until recently, while the Russians sold AKs and RPG-7s like they were fucking going out of style. Even when they were brand new.
Case in point: in Nam, we sold M1 Carbines (NOT even M2s!!!) to the South Vietnamese. We figured they would work well enough for them to defend themselves against a force similarly conservatively armed, and not arm them enough to be invaders of the North. Wanna know what the Commies did? Took a big ole AK-47 Type II shit in the NVA armories. In Korea they gave the North side rockets and their best machineguns while we gave our guys Trapdoor Rifles and Browning M1895s.
February 11th, 2012, 05:37 AM
TVTyrant
Re: Modacity shooters' thread
Also: I totally agree with your assessment of Petroleum and other such products. But knowing what I know about Norinco, I would not buy their guns.
February 11th, 2012, 05:45 AM
rossmum
Re: Modacity shooters' thread
The US gave SAMs to the Muj and taught them how to use them, too. The US and UK supplied Iraq with the means to make WMDs decades ago, the bulk of Iran's modern fighters were supplied by the US before the current government took over. Then I could go ahead and point out that both South Korea and South Vietnam were, at the times of the relevant wars, both equally as bad as their northern counterparts. They were horrible shitty dictatorships with abhorrent attitudes towards human rights, but the US propped them up because they were staunchly anti-Communist. None of these conflicts had jack fucking shit to do with the Western world, either - they were largely on the Soviets' doorstep, not ours. Furthermore all of this bullshit happened, along with South America and Africa, because of sheer bloody-minded ignorance on the part of Western governments which made less than no effort to understand why the Soviets behaved in the manners they did, or to change their attitude once Stalin died, or to stop idiotic pieces of fucking filth like McCarthy from fucking over US citizens just because someone didn't like them and made them out to be 'a bit red'. The West, particularly the US, is still rife with horribly misinformed people who blindly shit out 50s-era propaganda at the mere mention of the dreaded C-word.
The entire Cold War was entirely avoidable and the single biggest example of human stupidity I can think of offhand. We came within a hair's breadth of nuking the planet to ash on several occasions just because nobody wanted to sit the fuck down and work out what was going on. The USSR never had any intent to invade or even incite Communist upriisng in Western Europe, just as the US wouldn't have invaded Soviet territory without first being provoked. Anyone who honestly believes there were good guys and bad guys during the Cold War is a fucking idiot.
Basically, the Soviets put such a massive force in Eastern Europe for the same reason Israel constantly gets itself in strife. They are a scarred nation and were hellbent on not being invaded for a third time in the same century, which was a reasonable fear with a radically different ideology on their doorstep. The Western allies assumed such a huge force buildup was something you would want if you intended to attack, and so they began to beef up their own defences and talk tough which put the Soviets even more on edge. Add in your agitators like McCarthy and several decades of political brainwashing - and I mean both sides here - and you're headed for trouble.
February 11th, 2012, 05:52 AM
rossmum
Re: Modacity shooters' thread
Basically my point is this: everywhere is fucking horrible, people are bad, shoot paper/watermelons/old cars not each other
February 11th, 2012, 05:57 AM
TVTyrant
Re: Modacity shooters' thread
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Originally Posted by rossmum
The US gave SAMs to the Muj and taught them how to use them, too. The US and UK supplied Iraq with the means to make WMDs decades ago, the bulk of Iran's modern fighters were supplied by the US before the current government took over. Then I could go ahead and point out that both South Korea and South Vietnam were, at the times of the relevant wars, both equally as bad as their northern counterparts. They were horrible shitty dictatorships with abhorrent attitudes towards human rights, but the US propped them up because they were staunchly anti-Communist. None of these conflicts had jack fucking shit to do with the Western world, either - they were largely on the Soviets' doorstep, not ours. Furthermore all of this bullshit happened, along with South America and Africa, because of sheer bloody-minded ignorance on the part of Western governments which made less than no effort to understand why the Soviets behaved in the manners they did, or to change their attitude once Stalin died, or to stop idiotic pieces of fucking filth like McCarthy from fucking over US citizens just because someone didn't like them and made them out to be 'a bit red'.
The entire Cold War was entirely avoidable and the single biggest example of human stupidity I can think of offhand. We came within a hair's breadth of nuking the planet to ash on several occasions just because nobody wanted to sit the fuck down and work out what was going on. The USSR never had any intent to invade or even incite Communist upriisng in Western Europe, just as the US wouldn't have invaded Soviet territory without first being provoked. Anyone who honestly believes there were good guys and bad guys during the Cold War is a fucking idiot.
Oh I agree completely. The fact that we seemed to always have to muck shit up with our own ground forces is proof of our own aggression towards the Reds. I was just pointing out that the guns in the hands of our enemies are, by a massive majority, either old Soviet guns or brand new guns made my Norinco. And I totally agree that S.K. and S.V. had awful, awful dictatorships for a while. But my point is, when we went to Afghanistan and gave those fancy rockets and shit to the Muj, it was a big middle finger like "Yeah, you see what it fucking feels like?" If the two sides had ever made one iota of sense, they would have dropped Krags, Enfields and Mosins into those shitholes instead of AKs. The West wanted to play it that way. The Stalin era Soviets and the Mao era Chinese didn't. They were too fucking far up their ass with their "spread communism around the globe! Fight the evil, Capitalist west that invented every resource we use!" asses to realize what they were fucking doing. Now we have a horrible situation on our hands, where any African tribe can go butcher their peaceful neighbors because SOMEBODY didn't know not to give away super efficient killing machines to people who don' believe in Communism or Capitalism or government.
IMO the biggest mistake either side ever made was to arm the rest of the world with post WW2 weapons. Fucking idiocy.
February 11th, 2012, 05:58 AM
TVTyrant
Re: Modacity shooters' thread
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Originally Posted by rossmum
Basically my point is this: everywhere is fucking horrible, people are bad, shoot paper/watermelons/old cars not each other
Lol. I totally agree man. The rich/leaders of the world are all a bunch of horrible assholes.
February 11th, 2012, 07:06 AM
rossmum
Re: Modacity shooters' thread
Ended up on the weird part of YT, watching videos of some dude getting a .30-06 in-and-out fixed up. He tripped over his fucking cat and fell down a flight of stairs with a loaded M1, FMJ ammo. Entered through his stomach and exited his hip, keyholing on the way out.
I am pretty fucking sure I never want to get shot.
February 11th, 2012, 03:06 PM
TVTyrant
Re: Modacity shooters' thread
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Originally Posted by rossmum
Ended up on the weird part of YT, watching videos of some dude getting a .30-06 in-and-out fixed up. He tripped over his fucking cat and fell down a flight of stairs with a loaded M1, FMJ ammo. Entered through his stomach and exited his hip, keyholing on the way out.
I am pretty fucking sure I never want to get shot.
Holy shit. Yeah. Aren'y you in the army? Isn't that like, the exactly wrong line of work to not get shot then?
February 11th, 2012, 06:30 PM
Cortexian
Re: Modacity shooters' thread
No because he's in the Australian army.
That's prctically like being in the Canadian army, the chances of getting shot are lower than being a Police(wo)man.
February 11th, 2012, 06:31 PM
PenGuin1362
Re: Modacity shooters' thread
Eh I feel like you either get shot and get over it after a bit of pain or you die, at which point there's nothing to complain about because now you're dead. Unless of course you're paralyzed. In which case fuck that. Also come on dude, who walks around their house with a hot rifle >_<
No one will ever go to war with Australia. Because seriously, who in the fuck wants to invade that hell hole.
February 11th, 2012, 07:05 PM
TVTyrant
Re: Modacity shooters' thread
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Eh I feel like you either get shot and get over it after a bit of pain or you die, at which point there's nothing to complain about because now you're dead. Unless of course you're paralyzed. In which case fuck that. Also come on dude, who walks around their house with a hot rifle >_<
No one will ever go to war with Australia. Because seriously, who in the fuck wants to invade that hell hole.
Dem Japs.
February 11th, 2012, 10:06 PM
rossmum
Re: Modacity shooters' thread
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Originally Posted by PenGuin1362
Eh I feel like you either get shot and get over it after a bit of pain or you die, at which point there's nothing to complain about because now you're dead. Unless of course you're paralyzed. In which case fuck that. Also come on dude, who walks around their house with a hot rifle >_<
No one will ever go to war with Australia. Because seriously, who in the fuck wants to invade that hell hole.
no lie, this is literally australia's #1 defence. any invasion would be a logistics nightmare even the us would have trouble with, 90% of the country is either desert or dense scrub, and all the actual valuable things are in the middle of said desert or dense scrub. the populated areas are mostly strung along the coast on old swampland and backed by mountains, too. i would sooner just shoot myself than participate in an invasion of this country.
February 11th, 2012, 10:09 PM
TVTyrant
Re: Modacity shooters' thread
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Originally Posted by rossmum
no lie, this is literally australia's #1 defence. any invasion would be a logistics nightmare even the us would have trouble with, 90% of the country is either desert or dense scrub, and all the actual valuable things are in the middle of said desert or dense scrub. the populated areas are mostly strung along the coast on old swampland and backed by mountains, too. i would sooner just shoot myself than participate in an invasion of this country.
The Japanese sure wanted to try LOL
February 11th, 2012, 10:49 PM
CN3089
Re: Modacity shooters' thread
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Originally Posted by rossmum
no lie, this is literally australia's #1 defence. any invasion would be a logistics nightmare even the us would have trouble with, 90% of the country is either desert or dense scrub, and all the actual valuable things are in the middle of said desert or dense scrub. the populated areas are mostly strung along the coast on old swampland and backed by mountains, too. i would sooner just shoot myself than participate in an invasion of this country.
the us would probably just incheon sydney and melbourne and then bomb the fuck outta canberra soz m8
February 11th, 2012, 10:50 PM
Warsaw
Re: Modacity shooters' thread
Two words:
Neutron bomb.
Ethics aside, that's the best way to deal with a nation that makes invasion an unfeasible option. Just make sure you take out said nation's ability to respond in kind.
February 12th, 2012, 07:01 AM
rossmum
Re: Modacity shooters' thread
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Originally Posted by CN3089
the us would probably just incheon sydney and melbourne and then bomb the fuck outta canberra soz m8
no big loss, the only thing in canberra i give a shit about is the war memorial because they have the sickest museum
Heard it's a pretty good civilian alternative to an ACOG and got good reviews. Wondering if you all heard anything different
February 12th, 2012, 05:16 PM
rossmum
Re: Modacity shooters' thread
Nah, the SAF is at Lithgow, which is about 3 hours' drive northwest of Sydney. The AWM's museum has all sorts of awesome stuff though, one of the better war museums I've been to (and that includes all the ones in Europe).
February 12th, 2012, 05:18 PM
TVTyrant
Re: Modacity shooters' thread
Where do you live in Aus anyways?
February 12th, 2012, 05:22 PM
rossmum
Re: Modacity shooters' thread
newcastle, it's about 200km north of sydney on the coast. major coal harbour
February 13th, 2012, 04:48 AM
TVTyrant
Re: Modacity shooters' thread
Slightly off-topic, but does anyone here know a lot about knives? Im looking for a better hunting blade than the massive fucking bowie knife I bought when I was 13.
February 13th, 2012, 02:02 PM
PenGuin1362
Re: Modacity shooters' thread
Kershaw and Benchmade I know make some pretty good knives. They have hunting products but I've never used any of them for hunting so I can't speak from experience. I've owned two Kershaw assisted open blades though and loved them. They've both held their edge pretty well and are made of some quality steel.
February 13th, 2012, 02:05 PM
TVTyrant
Re: Modacity shooters' thread
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Originally Posted by PenGuin1362
Kershaw and Benchmade I know make some pretty good knives. They have hunting products but I've never used any of them for hunting so I can't speak from experience. I've owned two Kershaw assisted open blades though and loved them. They've both held their edge pretty well and are made of some quality steel.
Yeah I have heard great things about Kershaw. My Dad has a replaceable blade that comes with a gut hook a skinner etc.
February 13th, 2012, 02:53 PM
Warsaw
Re: Modacity shooters' thread
So I was just at The Nation's Gun Show yesterday. Pretty terrible selection of weapons this time. The only thing noteworthy was an entire rack of maybe 20 military-issue M1897 shotguns for sale, all of them with heatshields and bayonet lugs, and some of them with bayonets included. There were maybe 20 Mosins on the floor, costing upwards of $250 each (lolno). One SVT-40, at $950. And shitloads of TAURUS weapons. Fucking. Taurus. Everywhere.
Probably time of year, summer usually has a better selection.
February 13th, 2012, 03:00 PM
TVTyrant
Re: Modacity shooters' thread
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Originally Posted by Warsaw
So I was just at The Nation's Gun Show yesterday. Pretty terrible selection of weapons this time. The only thing noteworthy was an entire rack of maybe 20 military-issue M1897 shotguns for sale, all of them with heatshields and bayonet lugs, and some of them with bayonets included. There were maybe 20 Mosins on the floor, costing upwards of $250 each (lolno). One SVT-40, at $950. And shitloads of TAURUS weapons. Fucking. Taurus. Everywhere.
Probably time of year, summer usually has a better selection.
How much were the M1897s?
February 13th, 2012, 05:02 PM
Amit
Re: Modacity shooters' thread
My house got broken into today. Do I need a gun now?
February 13th, 2012, 05:17 PM
TVTyrant
Re: Modacity shooters' thread
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Originally Posted by Amit
My house got broken into today. Do I need a gun now?
Were you in the house at the time? Could it have been prevented with a firearm? Is it more likely that the gun itself would have been stolen? There are many factors that go into home protection.
February 13th, 2012, 05:42 PM
Amit
Re: Modacity shooters' thread
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Originally Posted by TVTyrant
Were you in the house at the time? Could it have been prevented with a firearm? Is it more likely that the gun itself would have been stolen? There are many factors that go into home protection.
I was being intentionally vague. No, nobody was in the house at the time otherwise they would have run away (they hit another house around here recently, or so the Police say). And yeah, I still don't think it would be a good idea to have a gun in my house because it'd be likely that it could be stolen, too, if not properly hidden. Then again, if the ammunition is ever more well hidden than the gun, then it's not of much use to them. It was petty theft I guess. The whole operation must have been 3-5 minutes, but no longer. They busted in out front door and went straight up the stairs and into both my sisters' rooms. They cleaned out all the jewellery from their drawers (as well as my mom's drawers) and they took my sister's Lenovo Ideapad U260 that she bought just last Friday and a Nikon D3100 DSLR from my other sister's cupboard. Strangely enough they walked straight past my room. It's almost like they didn't even take a look inside it considering how my room has more electronics in it then the rest of the house combined. They were really rushing I guess and didn't want to take the time to unplug everything. Hell, they tried to take my sister's iMac too, but I guess they didn't want to take the time to unplug one wire. lmao, listen to this. One of my sister's rooms leads to the general bathroom on the top floor of our house. The jackasses busted open the door from my sister's room. They must have felt stupid after doing that and realizing it was just the other side of the bathroom considering how they seemed to want to get in and out as quick as possible. Well, at least they didn't take anything that is extremely expensive or irreplaceable.
As it stands our front door is fucked and there's no chance that we can leave it unattended until it is fixed.
February 13th, 2012, 05:59 PM
TVTyrant
Re: Modacity shooters' thread
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Originally Posted by Amit
I was being intentionally vague. No, nobody was in the house at the time otherwise they would have run away (they hit another house around here recently, or so the Police say). And yeah, I still don't think it would be a good idea to have a gun in my house because it'd be likely that it could be stolen, too, if not properly hidden. Then again, if the ammunition is ever more well hidden than the gun, then it's not of much use to them. It was petty theft I guess. The whole operation must have been 3-5 minutes, but no longer. They busted in out front door and went straight up the stairs and into both my sisters' rooms. They cleaned out all the jewellery from their drawers (as well as my mom's drawers) and they took my sister's Lenovo Ideapad U260 that she bought just last Friday and a Nikon D3100 DSLR from my other sister's cupboard. Strangely enough they walked straight past my room. It's almost like they didn't even take a look inside it considering how my room has more electronics in it then the rest of the house combined. They were really rushing I guess and didn't want to take the time to unplug everything. Hell, they tried to take my sister's iMac too, but I guess they didn't want to take the time to unplug one wire. lmao, listen to this. One of my sister's rooms leads to the general bathroom on the top floor of our house. The jackasses busted open the door from my sister's room. They must have felt stupid after doing that and realizing it was just the other side of the bathroom considering how they seemed to want to get in and out as quick as possible. Well, at least they didn't take anything that is extremely expensive or irreplaceable.
As it stands our front door is fucked and there's no chance that we can leave it unattended until it is fixed.
Wow that really sucks man. That's never a fun feeling knowing that someone has been inside your house without you wanting them their. I would say get some pitbulls :P
February 13th, 2012, 06:14 PM
Cortexian
Re: Modacity shooters' thread
Pitbulls vs armed robbers, WHO WILL WIN?!
As for hunting knives, get a good brandiname blade with a straight blade 4-6" long with a gut hook on the backside near the front. Those are the best gutting/skinning knives there are for hunting IMO. My Kabar works well for skinning but not for the gutting/interior work, it's to long for effective use inside the animal. Well, unless we're talking Elk/Moose since they're huge.
For cutting through the hip-bone I recommend a cordless Dewalt Reciprocating saw. Things work wonders.
February 13th, 2012, 06:25 PM
TVTyrant
Re: Modacity shooters' thread
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Originally Posted by Cortexian
Pitbulls vs armed robbers, WHO WILL WIN?!
As for hunting knives, get a good brandiname blade with a straight blade 4-6" long with a gut hook on the backside near the front. Those are the best gutting/skinning knives there are for hunting IMO. My Kabar works well for skinning but not for the gutting/interior work, it's to long for effective use inside the animal. Well, unless we're talking Elk/Moose since they're huge.
For cutting through the hip-bone I recommend a cordless Dewalt Reciprocating saw. Things work wonders.
I'm probably going to buy a Cold Steel if I buy a new knife. I have been thinking about getting into forging though, and just making some knives myself for whatever application I need.
Who says they were armed? Also, pitbulls/rottweilers aren't necessarily meant to fight the robbers, they are mostly meant to intimidate. You'd have to be some kind of crazy to break into a house where the moment you walk up to the door 2-4 big, very angry dogs are barking their heads off.
February 13th, 2012, 06:35 PM
Cortexian
Re: Modacity shooters' thread
Not at all, I've never had issues with dogs or any kind of animal, they just don't scare me at all. The only animals that have ever phase me are grizzly bears and cougars, I don't understand why I'm so freaked out by cougars since I have no issues with lions or tigers. I even played with some full size lions and tigers before and they were only semi-captive haha.
That said, most dogs won't actually do anything to an intruder unless they're threatened or specifically trained to attack strangers (which is some kind of illegal, I'm sure). Dogs are nothing but a deterant, anyone that knows anything about dogs knows that so they're not a very good deterant either lol.
February 13th, 2012, 06:40 PM
TVTyrant
Re: Modacity shooters' thread
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Originally Posted by Cortexian
Not at all, I've never had issues with dogs or any kind of animal, they just don't scare me at all. The only animals that have ever phase me are grizzly bears and cougars, I don't understand why I'm so freaked out by cougars since I have no issues with lions or tigers. I even played with some full size lions and tigers before and they were only semi-captive haha.
That said, most dogs won't actually do anything to an intruder unless they're threatened or specifically trained to attack strangers (which is some kind of illegal, I'm sure). Dogs are nothing but a deterant, anyone that knows anything about dogs knows that so they're not a very good deterant either lol.
I had a dog that bit the shit out of the only home intruder we ever had. Her name was Ginger, and she died of doggy sickle cell disease :'(
February 13th, 2012, 06:43 PM
Amit
Re: Modacity shooters' thread
I was thinking about that an hour or so ago, too. I wonder if a dog or something would be a deterrent. I imagine that if the dog is one of those jumpy types that doesn't like new people, the robbers would leave out of fear of neighbours hearing the noise. However, my parents don't like having even domesticated animals in the house. If I was to have a pet though, it'd be a cat, not a dog. I like dogs, but some of them scare me. Well, not so much anymore, but when I was younger a dog attacked me (or so my stupid child brain thought). Na, it was just smelling me, but you know how it is when an animal runs up to you unexpectedly. Some of that must have leaked into my adult life. Cats are so cute and chill and fucking lazy. Just like me (minus the cute part as seen in my avatar :(). That's why I like them.
February 13th, 2012, 07:04 PM
TVTyrant
Re: Modacity shooters' thread
Get a pet panther? Problem solved?
February 13th, 2012, 08:27 PM
Warsaw
Re: Modacity shooters' thread
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Originally Posted by TVTyrant
How much were the M1897s?
$2000 on up, depending on condition and accessories.
Oh, and making knives is hard as hell. Believe me, I spent a whole summer doing a crash-course in forging and the best I can do is an S- or J-hook, let alone a spoon or a knife.
February 13th, 2012, 10:33 PM
TVTyrant
Re: Modacity shooters' thread
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Originally Posted by Warsaw
$2000 on up, depending on condition and accessories.
Oh, and making knives is hard as hell. Believe me, I spent a whole summer doing a crash-course in forging and the best I can do is an S- or J-hook, let alone a spoon or a knife.
What material were you using? Bar stock?
February 13th, 2012, 10:36 PM
Warsaw
Re: Modacity shooters' thread
Unfortunately, yes. And it was mild steel. Some of it was even rebar. Not ideal at all.
It also didn't help that the anvils and hammers I had access to were shit.
February 13th, 2012, 10:37 PM
TVTyrant
Re: Modacity shooters' thread
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Originally Posted by Warsaw
Unfortunately, yes. And it was mild steel. Some of it was even rebar. Not ideal at all.
It also didn't help that the anvils and hammers I had access to were shit.
IDK, I have heard good things about using railroad spikes. Then again, I'm not really that good at anything I have ever tried so we will see what happens lol.
February 13th, 2012, 11:12 PM
Warsaw
Re: Modacity shooters' thread
Long and short of it is square stock > round stock.
February 13th, 2012, 11:36 PM
TVTyrant
Re: Modacity shooters' thread
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Originally Posted by Warsaw
Long and short of it is square stock > round stock.
Yeah I have heard that too. It makes sense that the square stock is much easier to work with than the round, since you are making a flat object lol.
February 13th, 2012, 11:46 PM
Cortexian
Re: Modacity shooters' thread
Hey so this has just come to my attention... Now, normally I'm a huge fan of the improvements the Canadian Forces have made and the products they have chosen for personnel equipment.
But what the fuck:
And what the fuck is up with this Eotech mount bullshit:
February 13th, 2012, 11:47 PM
rossmum
Re: Modacity shooters' thread
fucking useless, have something like the maska for riots and then just a normal helmet for everything else
Add some nape protection to the back of the helmet and you've got the same thing without the R&D costs and logistic issues.
February 13th, 2012, 11:57 PM
TVTyrant
Re: Modacity shooters' thread
Damn Canadians lol.
February 14th, 2012, 12:03 AM
Amit
Re: Modacity shooters' thread
What the fuck? They aren't seriously going to use that are they?
February 14th, 2012, 12:04 AM
TVTyrant
Re: Modacity shooters' thread
Quote:
Originally Posted by Amit
What the fuck? They aren't seriously going to use that are they?
Apparently yes. Next thing you know they will adopt the 1895 Winchester as their service rifle :iamafag:
February 14th, 2012, 12:11 AM
Cortexian
Re: Modacity shooters' thread
Here's the video:
February 14th, 2012, 12:24 AM
rossmum
Re: Modacity shooters' thread
fucking focus groups will be the death of the military
February 14th, 2012, 12:26 AM
TVTyrant
Re: Modacity shooters' thread
Half of that WOULD be in fucking French. Come on Canada, be more Canadian.
February 14th, 2012, 11:39 AM
Warsaw
Re: Modacity shooters' thread
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Apparently yes. Next thing you know they will adopt the 1895 Winchester as their service rifle :iamafag:
Would pack more punch than those shit M16s...
February 14th, 2012, 12:20 PM
Cortexian
Re: Modacity shooters' thread
Pffft M16's.
We use C7's and C8's.
February 14th, 2012, 02:24 PM
TVTyrant
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Originally Posted by Cortexian
Pffft M16's.
We use C7's and C8's.
Which are knock offs...
Made by the same company...
Literally the same gun.
February 14th, 2012, 02:43 PM
rossmum
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iirc they're considered to be of a higher quality, the brit sas use them over american m4s
February 14th, 2012, 03:01 PM
TVTyrant
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iirc they're considered to be of a higher quality, the brit sas use them over american m4s
That may be true, since the Colts that the US use are like 700 per unit which is as cheap as you can get an AR for. God does the military overpay for guns.
February 14th, 2012, 05:23 PM
Warsaw
Re: Modacity shooters' thread
Still an M16 and thus inherently flawed. Also, I don't need to go into detail about how fucked the standard caliber is.
February 14th, 2012, 05:34 PM
PenGuin1362
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The newest iterations of the M4 are badass. And from what I've heard are the finest AR platformed rifles to roll off the line in the series (including C7's and C8's). But we don't need to have this argument again. We've been over it like six times and we all know where everyone stands lol
February 14th, 2012, 06:36 PM
Warsaw
Re: Modacity shooters' thread
Nothing wrong with it as a rifle, but as a combat weapon...
February 14th, 2012, 07:23 PM
Cortexian
Re: Modacity shooters' thread
C7's and C8's aren't made by Colt they're made by Dimaco Canada which bought the rights to make them exclusively for the Canadian Forces. Then they made some upgrades to it.
February 14th, 2012, 09:23 PM
Amit
Re: Modacity shooters' thread
Everyone spray statistics and get it all over with. No use delaying the argument any longer.
February 14th, 2012, 09:56 PM
PenGuin1362
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statistics sprayed
February 14th, 2012, 10:11 PM
Warsaw
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^ Lol.
Amit, it isn't a statistics thing. It's a "derp if we run out of cleaning supplies this gun is FUCKED" thing.
February 14th, 2012, 10:29 PM
Spartan094
Re: Modacity shooters' thread
I went to an old gun shop I have not been too in years to see what they had annnnd Mosin Nagant M38's everywhere. I have never seen a place with M38's anywhere, both in Georgia/Florida/99.9% of Michigan.
Every one of the regular stocks including the post-war stocks are correct M38 stocks and not M38's fitted into M44's, though the laminated stocks were fitted in M44 stocks.
I think all they have left is 1943 Izhevsk's but for $250 regular stocks I am not arsed to buy one unless my friend can hook me up with a deal to get one of them for $50-$100 cheaper OR I find a 1945 Izhevsk (since late dates are harder to find). I did miss a 1940 Tula with brass caps and a low wall reciever but oh welp.
I am really thinking of getting an RU SKS but I got a thing for Mosin Nagants due to how cheap most are, if I can not into buying a nice RU SKS at the gun show I'll probably set my sights for a M38 and enjoy the massive fireballs at night.
February 15th, 2012, 01:30 AM
TVTyrant
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How much for the ones that are in M44 stocks?
February 15th, 2012, 05:21 AM
Spartan094
Re: Modacity shooters' thread
$300, it isn't even worth it considering it's in the wrong stock to begin with and it's also a Laminated stock which somehow brings the price up by $50??
February 15th, 2012, 02:02 PM
PenGuin1362
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That's ridiculous. I bought a 1945 M44 for $150 and a friend of mine bought a 43 M38 for $120. Both in top condition. Those prices are absurd.
February 15th, 2012, 02:33 PM
TVTyrant
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Originally Posted by Spartan094
$300, it isn't even worth it considering it's in the wrong stock to begin with and it's also a Laminated stock which somehow brings the price up by $50??
Completely ridiculous. Unless you can get a great deal there from a friend, they don't deserve your business.
February 15th, 2012, 02:41 PM
rossmum
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they're only going to get worse. allow me to introduce you to australia!
no.4 mk.1 i bought 2 years ago: $400.
no. 4 mk.1 today, and not necessarily in as good a condition as mine: $6-800, minimum.
infantry 91/30 in the us: $100, give or take a few dozen.
comparable rifle in australia: $375, might find it for less at a gunshow but not likely. people often use gunshows as an excuse to gouge even more than the stores do.
91/30 sniper (original, unmodified) in the us: $400-450 i believe?
same rifle in australia? you're looking at anywhere north of $2,500. in fact any rifle with the word "sniper" anywhere near it will fetch well over $2,000 (which is roughly what you can expect to pay for a nice tikka or sako hunting rifle, slightly used or new).
i'm not real good with mauser values and i don't see a huge number here, but i do have one specific example -
portugese contract oberndorf kar98k, 1941, immaculate and all-matching: $2700 in a gunstore. one of my friends was selling his (same serial batch) a few years ago for a far more reasonable $1,900. the same rifle in the us? you'd be an idiot for paying any more than about $1,700. keep in mind that the australian dollar is far stronger than the us dollar recently.
infantry 91/30 with repro scope and mount and turned bolt handle, us: maybe $3-400, the cost is largely in the optics
same deal here: $1,150 which is roughly as much as it is going to cost me to convert my 91/30 sniper rifle back to sniper standard, using an original 1944 scope and mount.
consider yourselves very, very lucky.
oh, and
HELLO COMRADES. I GO TO FARM FOR TO SHOOT MOSINKA. I DO NOT HAVE AMMUNITION YET, BUT I GET MORE PICTURE WHILE I WAIT AND LATER I FIND CAMERA WITH UNBOX PICTURE ON IT.
February 15th, 2012, 03:25 PM
TVTyrant
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$2700!?!? For a MAUSER!?!? What the fucking SHIT!?!?
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That's me having a fucking seizure over that outrage.
February 15th, 2012, 03:40 PM
rossmum
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you think that's bad, wait until you see the poorly-sportered m38 with a cheap scope going for $1,350 at a gunshow
February 15th, 2012, 03:42 PM
TVTyrant
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you think that's bad, wait until you see the poorly-sportered m38 with a cheap scope going for $1,350 at a gunshow
Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo o
Those should never cost more than 70 dollars. NEVER!!!
February 15th, 2012, 05:35 PM
rossmum
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unboxing photos mia, possibly on dad's laptop. in the meantime have this
February 15th, 2012, 05:48 PM
Spartan094
Re: Modacity shooters' thread
Dat picture.
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Originally Posted by PenGuin1362
That's ridiculous. I bought a 1945 M44 for $150 and a friend of mine bought a 43 M38 for $120. Both in top condition. Those prices are absurd.
I could have gotten a 1952 Hungarian M44 all matching for $135 but I was a day late, I was pissed off for the rest of the day, but that was at my LGS (local gun store) and not the one with absurd prices. I need to go back to my LGS to see if they got anything new if not I'll wait for the Grand Rapids gun show.
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Originally Posted by TVTyrant
Completely ridiculous. Unless you can get a great deal there from a friend, they don't deserve your business.
Trust me, my money is going nowhere near them unless my friend can talk them down a very good amount since he knows the owner and a few other employee's.
E: Also at the one with absurd prices I found a Winchester Model 1895 in 7.62x54R, the russian contract ones, and guess how much they wanted, $1,200. It looked nice but not even close to that price.
that's where I've gotten a few of my guns including my 91/30 rifle. They usually have a lot of guns for the right price, especially C&R ones. Just browsing for a few seconds I found a few M44's between $120 and $220. Didn't check for M38's though.
Also not sure if that winchester price is right, but those are kind of rare now so I'd expect it to be a bit more
February 15th, 2012, 06:17 PM
Warsaw
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Careful with that site, though. Tried to buy AK furniture from some guy. He wasn't up-front with his product and his location (Poland), and he wanted to send it first to his buddy in New Jersey who would then send it to me. Sound sketchy to you?
February 15th, 2012, 06:29 PM
rossmum
Re: Modacity shooters' thread
yeah it does a bit, mostly because of the buddy relay thing.
also a lot of tfr guys are on gunborker, they're generally very good trustworthy people so buy from them if you see something you want.
February 15th, 2012, 06:32 PM
Warsaw
Re: Modacity shooters' thread
Lol, "gunborker." That, sir, is incredibly funny and entirely accidental.
sexeh. I've had pretty good service there, you just have to do a little research on who you're buying from.
February 15th, 2012, 07:34 PM
Warsaw
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Didn't have a lot of options at the time. He was the only one who had what I was looking for. But then I discovered Tantal's website, which carried everything AK from optics, to side-mounts, magazines (slab-side to bakelite), pouches (all eras, all nationalities), to wood (AK-74, AKM, AK-47). I bought an AK-47N side mount from him as well as some Polish AK-47 stock pieces. It's a shame that the site is no longer selling anything other than optics (owner health issues), because it was way better than RusMilitary.
February 16th, 2012, 02:27 AM
TVTyrant
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God I hate how the Russians used different colored wood for the top and bottom sections of their Mosin stocks. The wood is nice, but the unmatching sections disgusts me on almost every Mosin I have ever seen. It isn't too bad on yours Ross, but I have seen some that I would not buy simply because of that.
February 16th, 2012, 07:37 AM
rossmum
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i've seen a few where the upper handguard was really pale blonde wood and the main stock itself was almost black. it looked pretty weird. then again i've seen the same with enfields (and worse - serious colour mismatches between butt and heatshield/forearm).
e/ it's also worth noting that this isn't my mosin's original stock, because it doesn't have the cutout for the pu mount nor a splice there. the original may have matched better, i don't know.
February 16th, 2012, 12:34 PM
PenGuin1362
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They're hard to find but if you're lucky you can find the ex-sniper with it's original stock. In some arsenal re-works that would simply glue in a new piece of wood where the cut out was then refinish it.
February 16th, 2012, 02:13 PM
TVTyrant
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i've seen a few where the upper handguard was really pale blonde wood and the main stock itself was almost black. it looked pretty weird. then again i've seen the same with enfields (and worse - serious colour mismatches between butt and heatshield/forearm).
I have seen one where the main stock had a grain similar to the ones on Finn Nagants, and the upper guard was a pale blonde.
Made me want nto throw up in my mouth.
February 16th, 2012, 10:22 PM
rossmum
Re: Modacity shooters' thread
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Originally Posted by PenGuin1362
They're hard to find but if you're lucky you can find the ex-sniper with it's original stock. In some arsenal re-works that would simply glue in a new piece of wood where the cut out was then refinish it.
yeah, mine got a new stock and buttplate, new bolt body, and apparently new floorplate too (unless they were lazy when they made it and didn't bother with the prefix). still, matching is matching, while a definitive match would be better i am happy with what i have. bolt body will be kept safe while i get a new bent-handle one, hopefully have it serialled to match as well. will probably just cut the stock rather than piss about finding one that's already done, i don't like destructive modification but oh well. as long as none of the many cartouches are damaged, i'm happy. then it's just a case of drilling, tapping, and fixing the mount base to the rifle, then shimming/grinding the scope mount as necessary to align.
i just realised while giving the bore a quick clean that my front sight post is canted quite noticeably to one side. i guess once i shoot the rifle i'll figure out if that is going to be a problem or not.
February 16th, 2012, 10:38 PM
TVTyrant
Re: Modacity shooters' thread
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Originally Posted by rossmum
yeah, mine got a new stock and buttplate, new bolt body, and apparently new floorplate too (unless they were lazy when they made it and didn't bother with the prefix). still, matching is matching, while a definitive match would be better i am happy with what i have. bolt body will be kept safe while i get a new bent-handle one, hopefully have it serialled to match as well. will probably just cut the stock rather than piss about finding one that's already done, i don't like destructive modification but oh well. as long as none of the many cartouches are damaged, i'm happy. then it's just a case of drilling, tapping, and fixing the mount base to the rifle, then shimming/grinding the scope mount as necessary to align.
i just realised while giving the bore a quick clean that my front sight post is canted quite noticeably to one side. i guess once i shoot the rifle i'll figure out if that is going to be a problem or not.
Take a hammer/mallet and uncant it?
February 16th, 2012, 11:04 PM
rossmum
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it may actually be like that for a reason, hence wanting to wait until i shoot it before i do anything
February 16th, 2012, 11:07 PM
TVTyrant
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it may actually be like that for a reason, hence wanting to wait until i shoot it before i do anything
Well yeah of course. Afterwards though...
February 17th, 2012, 01:00 AM
rossmum
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it's hard to eyeball if it's just the post or the entire globe, the post seems the most drastically canted but i think the globe might be off by a degree or two as well. we'll see
February 17th, 2012, 01:01 AM
TVTyrant
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Originally Posted by rossmum
it's hard to eyeball if it's just the post or the entire globe, the post seems the most drastically canted but i think the globe might be off by a degree or two as well. we'll see
I hate the globe design. Ugh....
February 19th, 2012, 02:32 AM
rossmum
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So ANGRY.
Turns out that you need to give gunstore owners a fucking reach around during the correct alignment of every fucking solar system in our arm of the galaxy to get 7.62x54R anywhere within two hours' drive of where my parents live (and I shoot). The nearest guaranteed supply is the place I got the rifle from, who sell spam cans of Bulgarian stuff for $265/440rds but are literally in the centre of fucking Sydney so good fucking luck getting parking if you have a car, and if not, hahaha have fun trying to find a way of carrying around a fucking spam can of surplus in such a way as to avoid arrest. Apparently they can ship it out but of course I missed the deadline for the week by about twelve hours. There's a store within almost doable distance that has 7.62x54R every once in a while, but apparently never runs out of every kind of European hunting moon ammo you could ever imagine.
Long story short: 91/30 still unfired by me, photos still on dad's laptop because I was so flustered about the ammo situation I forgot to pull them, and I couldn't even fix the incredibly misadjusted front sight on my No.4 because I got rained out before I even settled down to shoot .22s with a mate. Back when we adjusted it for windage I had the most incredibly hilarious flinch, and now I don't I can't hit a goddamn thing with it past 75m because it shoots at least 10" right of POA. Oh, and I got a reply back from the Bolt Man. He is out of new-production sniper bolt bodies and cannot buy any further shipments as they have become prohibitively expensive. I don't want to send my matched (albeit arsenal-replaced) body to him in case it gets lost or stolen, so my only hope is basically to find a spare bolt body kicking around and have it sent to him, which sounds convoluted as fuck but really I don't have much choice. I don't expect my rifle will be returned to sniper standard for at least two, probably more like three months at this rate.
In other news, waiting for my landlord to get home from work so I can find out if my PU finally arrived. The thing supposedly left Kiev 18 days ago, so if it isn't here this week, I may not be fully responsible for my actions. The untold horror of my ANGRILY-WORDED LETTERS will be a black mark in the volumes of Australia Post's history.
God I'm glad I live in a fucktarded capitalist country that doesn't give two shits about this kind of thing. That is absurd.
February 19th, 2012, 04:23 AM
rossmum
Re: Modacity shooters' thread
Keep in mind that new production anything that isn't .22LR will run you at or over a dollar a round, too. And our dollar is owning the shit out of yours while shitting on its face, so that's more like $275-280 US.
Everything gun-related here is retardedly expensive. It's more to do with our awful laws than anything; they are in short enough supply and hard enough to import that you basically have to pay the fuckers way more than what something is actually worth. It's shit.