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Not sure if its relavent, but the ATF siezed 30 airsoft guns at Port of Oregon.
The store owner was on the radio and he said the local news had a member of some anti gun group on and they were saying that an airsoft gun can easily be modified to fire real bullets. REALLY!?
http://www.kptv.com/news/22714377/detail.html
He can still cause serious damage to someone with a .43g at the same range as a .20g. The muzzle energy is still the same, it's just that some of it is located in the mass of the BB now instead of its velocity. He better not be shooting at anyone with that under 200 ft, or that's just poor form.Quote:
Originally Posted by Freelancer
Uhhh, plastic and somewhat of a good metal shooting out real bullets? Shouldn't something go wrong after the first few shoots if it IS possible.Quote:
Originally Posted by paladin
I know right? Idiots
Also why are they doing this? It's airsoft guns, damn and to think its real firearms? Really now... and the 2nd amendment supports us to bear arms, it doesn't have a limit to it. Then again the Feds are scared of us overpowering the government >_> it almost near the same in 1977 or 1976 when they destroyed ALL thompson's in gov possession, dumbshits.
Well, it does say in the Constitution that the government (specifically, Congress) has a right to defend itself.
True but taking airsoft guns (that can't kill you) and destroying 12K of it? Is it that necessary to destroy airsoft guns...Quote:
Originally Posted by Warsaw
Of course not. I'm just implying that you need to take that into consideration before you start saying that the government is violating rights. I do not condone the anti-airsoft action though (or anti-real gun actions either).
I am not really saying the gov is violating rights, it's just a waste of time. It sucks the guy will lose 12K but yeah. Also I don't care for anti-soft or w/e just as long as I can still buy metal/wood/(or w/e) airsoft guns I am fine.Quote:
Originally Posted by Warsaw
If you watch the video about this one YouTube the ATF agent demonstrating the gun and telling us how it can be "modified into a machine gun" puts the magazine in backwards at first.
What a moron. Seriously. We've got morons running the country, and because most people are morons, they will blindly follow what the head morons say and do.
Morons.
anyone that dumb and ignorant should be kept the fuck away from those kinds of positions
only people who are experienced shooters and/or gunsmiths should be allowed to pass legislation on or report about any kind of firearms
Rossmum.
Experienced shooters = / = Responsible shooters.
You could be an expert marksmen and be cocky as hell and dangerous as fuck around firearms, you may have experience but you're not necessarily responsible. I'd rather have some responsible brains behind firearm legislation.
true, though by experienced i meant the kinds of people who have used them so much they know what they're talking about. good point, though.
Annnd I finally bought an airsoft gun finally
http://www.airsoftpost.com/product_i...ducts_id=30088
New Version CYMA CM042 Full Metal Real Wood AK47 Airsoft AEG Rifle.
Yes warsaw, didn't get the ak47 with the rails
:smugparrot:
Nice, is it wired to take a large battery in the stock or no?
Excellent choice for a first gun. Can you post a review of it here with pictures, please? I was seriously considering buying this so I can have a gun to fit my legit AK-47 furniture and AK-47N side-rail on.
Not sure but it might, since I see no other place for a large battery except for the stock.Quote:
Originally Posted by Freelancer
Also it made meh broke, I put the rest of my money I had in my pocket to the bank to keep me from going abit wild for purchasing more stuff.
Yeah I will don't worry, I will probly get a hi-def video with my new video camera too. Also this will be my 6th airsoft gun I purchased and I expect it to be in the mail by Monday.Quote:
Originally Posted by Warsaw
5 edit: Remeber my mp40 I bought thats metal (except for that fake wood, they lied and its ABS plastic muther fuckers and they said it's all metal) when ever I stop firing a extra bb just pops out with is annoying since I don't want to waste my bb's.
Also I got pissed too, I have .12 gram bb's, fffffffff, forgot to look at the weight :smith:
lol .12g BB's... I just started using .25g for outdoor, works a bit better than .20g.
I only ever use .25g BBs. Anything lighter just has too much spread for my taste, even indoors since I only do precision shooting regardless of distance.
Also, thanks in advance Spartan094!
We use .20g exclusively indoor since guns are chronoed every game to make sure they're within field limits. That and we're to lazy to do the math to figure out what a gun is shooting if someone is using a different weight BB... Our indoor arena has no areas where using a heavier BB will improve your accuracy either, shooting distances are between 5ft and 12ft almost everywhere with the exception of some of the longer halls.
We also don't allow full auto during indoor, so shots are almost always placed accurately.
I like semi auto only games, but only if I have a pistol. Right now, I own no sidearm, just my rifle, so semi would be a major pain in the ass.
I think the only .20 or .25 g bb's I have is in a some 1000 pack or so and they are orange, been carrying them since 06 lol since all I had was a spring then. I only have like 500 rounds left so I refraining from using them until I go to a store and buy .25 gram bb's. Also this is some crazy shit.
http://www.airsoftpost.com/product_i...ducts_id=29792
Rare 800 Rounds of 0.80g Super Heavy 6mm Airsoft Target Shooting Practice BB
I have never seen a 6mm airsoft bb's like these. It's almost like real metal bb guns you pump and .etc. I wonder if these will make you bleed if you ever accidentally shoot yourself after you just charged a gun or so. Or even the power to kill squirrels and such...
:cop:
Also fuck semi-auto, I just lightly pull the mp40 and it spray's like 3-5 bb's.
E: If my mp40 is on semi-auto it just locks up after 10 shots.
Technically, the MP.40 is only supposed to be full auto since it had no fire selector in real life. The MP.41, however, was select-fire. Also, most guns will lock up like that in semi auto. Mine does. It's because the motor gets set up into a fix where it doesn't have the momentum to pull that heavy spring from where the last shot left it. Solution: don't pull the trigger so quickly.
Meh. I don't use semi-auto at all, seems pointless to me unless im out in the open and need to save ammo and not reload so much :smithparrot:
He posted the results for accuracy today, tests conducted indoor.Quote:
Originally Posted by rossmum
5 shots at 100ft with .43g BB's within 5"
5 shots at 150ft with .43g BB's within 6"
5 shots at 300ft with .43g BB's within 8"
So he can shoot a football field in length with 8" accuracy indoors, time will tell what it's like outdoors.
You do know he's banned, yes? Still, good info to know.
He obviously has a minimum of 5 alt accounts, isn't it a rule? How else would this website still be populated?
Being outdoors is so much different then indoors. You have the wind to count on curving the bb making it not dead on.Quote:
Originally Posted by Freelancer
Also what does a hop-up do? Cause on my mp40 I pull it back and the bb's curve up, its fun to if you shoot sideways get'm behind cover lawl.
EE: what the hell, I bought .24g 6mm bb's, Also warsaw, since they didn't ship it off yesterday I will be expecting it around Monday-Wednesday
Also if you guys bought any bb's under .20g, they will break in half if it slams against anything really except for soda cans and cardboard boxes, then again if it hits anything and is still intact it is cracked from the inside.
Depends on the quality of the BB, there are some nice double polished .12g BB's out there for some reason and they'll never break apart like that. Only bad quality BB's break apart in your guns, like the BB's you get from Wal•Mart.
Hopup puts a backspin on the BB, it's the airsoft equivalent of barrel rifling. Keeps the BB going straight over a longer distance without being effected by wind as much.
I don't get my bb's from walmart. ever. Also
03/05/2010 (A)Pending
03/06/2010 (B)Processing / Shipping Center Batch status update
Soez I dout they will ship it out tommorow (Sunday) so I will expect it Wednesday to Friday. If they DO ship it out for some odd reason tommorow then I expect it Tues-Wednesday. I am waiting to test this mofo out and see how realistic it is next to my mp40 :cwazy:
well my inner arguing self won over myself and decided to buy a G3 instead of an airsoft gun >_>. Instead I might just upgrade the internals on my AK-74u
Why would you buy a G3 over an airsoft? Missing out on the fun man.Quote:
Originally Posted by PenGuin1362
http://www.airsoftpost.com/product_i...ducts_id=30998
Airsoft RPG7? Orly? :cwazy:
$750 for a non-functioning model, yay!
you could spend so much less and get an actual nerf firing rocket. seen em on the field before, they work quite well and end up being quite effective. Also, something about firing a real gun just appeals to me more
You're comparing Apples to Bananas man, real guns are a completely different realm than airsoft... It's not "one or the other", lots of us like to do both. Airsoft is just more fun than firing real rifles, there's no inherent danger involved and it's all about fun and teamwork. Plus, you're extremely limited by law in what you can do with real rifles... Going to the range and shooting a single target is fun and all, for a day or so...Quote:
Originally Posted by PenGuin1362
when you need to choose between buying one or the other, its very easy to compare the two. I wasn't comparing them in the first place, just said I'd rather spend money on a G3 rather than a new airsoft gun, for the reason being I'm going to use that one more.
Real guns are more expensive in the long run (ammunition is like 10x what airsoft BB's are) and you can't use it as much, at least not up here.
What? I use maybe 30-50 rounds for a day at the range, and when playing airsoft I use 2000-4000 BBs. Now, I don't do either very often, but I would say that I play airsoft more. All the gear and upkeep required on the airsoft stuff has cost me several orders of magnitude more than maintaining my rifle over the same period of time.
2500 quality BB's - $5
20 rounds of quality ammunition - $25
Plastic vs Metal/Copper/Lead/Gun powder
Your comparing plastic bb's (unless you buy aluminum bb's, mofo) to bullets that cost 10x as much. Thou you have more fun with bb's over real guns if you don't buy plastic airsoft guns.
I guess I should say that my point is that if you play airsoft more, you are going to end up spending a hell of a lot more there than on a real gun. If you do both, then you are throwing money out of two windows. If he has more fun shooting real guns than fake ones (I know I do), let him be. It's more efficient from an amusement standpoint to have a lot of fun doing one thing than having just some fun doing both.Quote:
Originally Posted by Freelancer
Also, aluminum BBs are supposed to only be for target practise. They are generally banned for use against people since they don't bounce too well and will result in serious injury. Kind of like armour-piercing airsoft ammunition.
That's what I thought, aluminum armor-piercing bb's lol, I need a small amount for practice shooting and see what it does.
Also I am ticked, evike hasn't gotten around yet to mail my order yet and its only a ak47 with 2 extra mags. I know they gotta do others but I mean they had early Saturday (which is when the credit card got accepted and such), yesterday and today. I will check later before I go to bed but I become impatient when I order online most times then again I was limited to how much I was to spend on shipping since my dad had to order it and such. I'll just find some fun shooting cardboard boxes, birds or doing some things for some video games. Or the fact is I live on the other side of the United States and they are in California.
Also warsaw true on shooting guns, I remember when I shot my first gun at the range, so fun...:smith:
we're comparing two things that don't need to be compared. you either play with real guns more or you play airsoft more, simple as that. I go shooting more, I also live in new hampshire so shooting things in your friends sand pit in his backyard is acceptable.... getting back to airsoft, when you want more magazines, you should go for the lo-cap mags. With self experience, and talking with others, while they may only hold like 30-50 bb's they're basically garunteed to feed, where as wind up mags can have feeding issues. And anyone will tell you when you're in a "firefight" it blows when your magazine decides it wants to start randomly feeding.
Yeah, personally I have fun shooting both but dont spend a whole lot on either except airsoft.
Also they sent out my package, I saw the weight of it and went yeah...
12 pounds = The box, stuff to protect most likely, 2 mags (assuming its metal), 1 airsoft ak47 (real wood and metal) and they say to expect it by Monday except UPS is fast by previous purchases by them so I say Saturday.
I stick to mid-caps. 150 round G&P AK-74 "bakelite" style (which are discontinued). They never misfeed, have a decent capacity to them, and they look damn good for not being a real bakelite magazine.
Yea, mid caps are the best of both worlds... They don't rattle since there's no "BB reservoir", and you can still get anywhere from 90-200 rounds in a magazine. I use some King Arms 95 round G36 magazines (5 of them), but they don't fit the mag well very well so I think I'm going to try out a box of STAR 140 round magazines next time I make an eHobby order.
03/05/2010 (A)Pending
03/06/2010 (B)Processing / Shipping Center Batch
03/09/2010 (E)Shipped by UPS
They say by Monday again. And I can't track the order right now since it wont let me.
Also I think the mag that comes with the cmya ak is a hi-cap (it says 600 max), I do hate the bb's ratling or shaking around alot and I got the 1 cent deal where I get 2 mags, so idk what they will be. I hope they are mid-caps.
E:
They mostly likely sent me these
http://www.airsoftpost.com/product_i...ducts_id=25331
And hell to them if they sent me this
http://www.airsoftpost.com/product_i...ducts_id=27988
It would NOT be nice if they sent me it.
I'd complain if they sent you that super-hicrapy magazine... They stated hicap or midcap in the offer, not super hicap.
If they somehow did send me those really hi-cap I would want the round drum ones for kicks. If they did I would sell them so yeah but I dout they would send me something $50 for 1 cent...
Also this disturbs me why they have not updated the dates and checked in and .etc.
It's also the 12 so yeah.
Be patient.
I just got my AK47 in the mail today. Holy crap it is beast. I tested it out with a battery I just charged up and it sounds cool and that heavy pow to it.
They sent me 2 hi-cap mags with the deal I got. It was brand new so yeah. Also I can remove the orange tip from it for at home stuff.
I have not found one piece that is plastic. The battery is abit of a bitch to put in since the cords are stiff and new.
It's made out of metal and real wood. Only problem for me is I think the stock is to short. It came with a high powered battery and a good battery charger and has a light for when its fully charged so you dont over do it.
Pics and a video comes later today.
Careful with the stock; the wood on CYMA guns is pretty thin, so you can easily crack it. The stock itself is not too short, it's right for the gun; you are just too big for it. The G&G RK series guns have longer stocks though, which makes it more comfortable at the expense of authenticity.
The stock on this one looks ok. But I do see one part of the area where it could break easy if dropped. Also after playing around with it I got use to it, it's really nice. Also it has to do with me being 6ft 2in and my arm length and such.
Thats the pictures. Some metal is colored differently. Also I think I can remove the orange tip, it says in the instructions I can to put on a silencer and how to remove it.
damn. that thing makes me wish my mp5 wasnt broken. i think the gearbox is jammed up on it or something. im waiting for that performance video, sir.
^ Consider that an excuse to obtain a man's weapon.
Heh, looks pretty good. It needs some genuine AK furniture on it...:realsmug:. The threading where the muzzle nut is is 14mm counter-clockwise. They also probably glued it on.
Bah. I am supposed to be allowed to take it off to put on a silencer. I will twist the fucker with a wrench if I have to. I know where to push this little thing to pop it and twist it if I can find something thats small enough.Quote:
Originally Posted by Warsaw
Better to soak it in nail polish remover or something like that before wrenching it off; you don't want to fuck up your outer barrel assembly.
Mehhh I wont do that yet. Kinda iffy on doing it. Also I just unscrewed the grip and the stock and saw how thin the wood is. Damn battery and gears.
I'm looking into possibly upgrading my JG MP5 (completely stock items and parts, etc) to try and upgrade range on it, and also getting a sidearm.
Also, are snipers worth it?
Are snipers worth it? I don't think so. Are marksman rifles worth it? Yes. I like having a semi auto function to fall back on, because there is no way to guarantee a long-range hit in airsoft since it only takes a very slight breeze to seriously throw your BB off-target.
Okay, would it be acceptable to get http://www.airsoftgi.com/product_inf...oducts_id=6130 ?
If you spend lot's of money. :realsmug:Quote:
Originally Posted by Warsaw
Not even then, no. Believe me, I tried. :v:
How is that pistol though?
Is it worth buying, or should I aim towards a fullmetal version of it if availiable?
I don't have much money though, and I'd like to get one soon, maybe get a 350fps pistol for 29.60$ and buy a fullmetal one later?
CO2 meh. Get a metal one. They can shoot better. Depends on how much money you have. What is your budget?Quote:
Originally Posted by Pyong Kawaguchi
My budget is fairly low atm, thats why I chose that gun.
I already told him the best option is to just wait until he has enough money to pick something good. But, he wants it now.
I've decided against getting that.
I might be picking up an unused m14 from my friend, gets roughly 360+ fps with .2gs for 50$
Sound good?
What brand is it?
I believe it is matrix, I'll find out in a moment, I got to fire it and it fired then curved to the right, my I told him that if he fixes that (possibly the hopup) I'll probably buy it, but I want you're guys opinions first.
Well, Matrix guns are often rebranded CYMA, Dboys, or JG guns. I dunno, I still say save.
Save up and look around on different sites. If you seen in this thread early on it took me awhile to finally find a gun (which I switched my choices around) which was a really good price and it had no plastic parts which made me :realsmug:
Just take your time and search around, eventually you will find something good and be happy with it.
I'm looking into getting the JG bar 10 from a friend, it worth it?
Did we not go over this last night?
If its modded it gets 450 fps with .3g bbs and hits at about 200 ft
What are you planning to use this for? Fun in the backyard, airsoft fights? Loading heavy metal 6mm bullets and sniping birds...
Nothing animal mean ness, just airsoft games on weekends and nearly daily over the summer.
None the less it says dont point or shoot at animals in the manual. I would get a airsoft sniper if the bb's dont curve like a bitch at a certain distance.
But for now I will save up for some gear thou. Gloves, hats, .etc.
Is this one modded? If not, then waste of money. I don't think you should start on a sniper anyways; buy an economic AEG and learn your playstyle. No, you don't already know how you play, because you haven't had a real weapon to use. I thought I'd be a long-range sniper, but I ended up playing more like a scout, using ambush tactics.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pyong Kawaguchi
I already have an AEG.
I hardly call a JG MP5 a real weapon though; that's as bare minimum as you can get and is utter shit for outdoor play...low stock power and short barrel a good outside gun does not make. That kind of forces you to get up close, so again you don't know how you actually play. If you get a sniper, I can pretty much guarantee that you'll be sorely disappointed. It's hard to hit people with even a little bit of wind, cycling the bolt wastes a hell of a lot of time (target can move, see you, bolt is slower than a real gun, etc.) for the engagement range, and you have to dump an assload of money into to make it perform respectably. I've tried it with a friend's L96...it was not fun at all.
Like I said, I still think the best "sniper" is a long-barreled AEG capable of semi-auto fire.
And this is why I use my ak47 airsoft gun. One of these days I will test it in my backyard with my friends. We have alot of space to play in.
It extends much farther back btw.
Just have to be weary of the house, and neighbors.
I recently purchased this:
http://www.g-military.com/military/i...install_01.jpg
M56C triple shot airsoft shotgun. Today is my first airsoft meet with my brother (sanctus) and his friends. I'll tell you how it goes a little bit later today.
What brand is that and how sturdy is it? Been looking at getting a shotgun for CQB, probably an M1014 style such as this.
It's a very sturdy shotgun, very fun to shoot. The brand is Double eagle:
http://www.trinityairsoft.com/p-1336...rsoft-gun.aspx
Overall it cost me 67.98, a bit more expensive than ordering it online or at a Dicks Sporting Good store, probably because I bought it at a small Military Surplus store in Eden, NC.
Next weapon I'm looking to get is a single shot rifle, the surplus store had one for 119, very good quality and I fell in love with it when I test fired it. So far in my area I don't know of any airsoft groups/events and I might end up starting a local thing.
This is the rifle I test fired:
http://www.airsoftgi.com/product_inf...oducts_id=1505
fuck my mp5 now has a dead gear
:(
I assume your gearbox had plastic gears since it was JG? If you gun comes with plastic gears that's the first thing you should replace since they are the parts that take the most repetitive force, and if you upgrade to metal gears you should upgrade your piston to something with metal teeth as well so your gears don't strip the piston teeth. You can usually get away with a piston that has a single metal tooth (usually titanium on the quality pistons) near the front, this way you can loose a couple other teeth and still have a working gun.
My G36 came with metal teeth, but they're not great quality... The metal isn't very strong and the piston teeth are all plastic and starting to wear out/chip. I'll be upgrading my gears, piston, piston head, nozzle, spring, motor, and possibly hop-up unit (with one of the single piece metal hop-ups) once I can afford to get it all at once. I'm also going to grab a fairly long suppressor and a 500mm 6.01mm inner barrel for outdoor, barrel swaps on the CA G36 series take something like a minute so it's easy to switch out for the shorter 6.01mm when playing indoor.
Bad plastic gears :smithfrog:Quote:
Originally Posted by Pyong Kawaguchi
Also teekup damn you. I need to do a review of the ak47 still.
I'm getting a new gun, budget is 150$, I'm looking into a CYMA AK74u that is wooden/full metal, but its out of stock on airsoftgi, and wont be availiable on evike til the 30th of next month.
Anyone have any suggestions?
If you want to spend $5 more than budget, I was planning on getting this some day. Looks decent, metal gearbox, 350fps, etc
350 fps seems low for a metal gearbox (to me since I love high fps like my ak). Looks decent and has a good price. Iron sights annoying me thou, looks odd.
http://www.airsoftpost.com/product_i...ducts_id=30307Quote:
Originally Posted by Pyong Kawaguchi
Guessing its that one.
Sure you don't wanna go up alittle in the price? Seeing there is some other good cyma ak74u's but depends on how bad you want one right now. But the wait seems bad.
Any other suggestions? I'm looking preferably into a gun that will last.
Be warned. How CMYA does the real wood in how thick the wood is...it isn't really thick so one good drop to a hard floor, the wood stock is finished probly.
E:
http://www.airsoftpost.com/product_i...ducts_id=32345
I still want this when it becomes available.
http://www.airsoftpost.com/product_i...ducts_id=32333
$400 for a ppsh-41 airsoft replica made by Ares? Pricey.
The PPSh has blowback, shoots a steady 300fps (it is a CQB weapon), has an accurate rate of fire (900rpm), disassembles like the real one, comes with a 2000 round drum, and is made of stamped steel. Oh, it's also the only one on the market.
By the way, $140 is not going to get you a gun that will last. All the guns at that price point are over-greased, have cheap internals, and the finish is often questionable. I'm going to say it again: have some patience and save up to get one of the top-tier brands. Hell, $300 will net you a higher quality weapon...
I'm looking at http://www.airsoftpost.com/product_i...ducts_id=30131
What do people think?
E: my friend lent me his ak today, had fun :)
http://photos-b.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos..._3811141_n.jpg
only about 10 people today with those guns :)
My general opinion of Dboys can be summed up with one word, "meh".
http://jocairsoft.com/forums/gallery...geViewsIndex=1
All these are owned by one guy in our club, lol...
Quick question for you guys, I'm taking my GoPro cam out airsofting on April 2nd and I'm wondering what angle/mounting method you would prefer. I've got the head strap mount that I can place over my helmet or Boonie hat, this will center the camera on my head above eye level. However since the camera is centered on my head the viewing angle is to the right of where I aim when aiming down my rifle, the lens is wide angle though so you can still see where I'm aiming. The second mounting method is a mount on the right hand side of my helmet, the camera ends up looking slightly to the left of where I'm looking when I'm not aiming. This is good for when I'm aiming down the rifle though because you see more of the area at which I'm aiming, unfortunately this angle also picks up a bit of my helmet in the bottom left corner of the video.
Both angles should work fine and I'll probably end up trying both during different games on the day of. Just wondering what you guys think would be better though?
I spy an ak47 that looks very close to mine or it is.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pyong Kawaguchi
Idk but I decided I will get another airsoft gun thanks to my brother-in-law who is in the army got me hooked up with some badass gear today. I am going for thats full metal for every single aspect of it.
(if you can see the image)Quote:
Originally Posted by Freelancer
What.
I know right.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spartan094
Do want an AUG.
