Halo 2 Bug/Request Submission Thread

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Originally Posted by bum has knife

On the hot topic of LIVE though, I will say that I do believe in the platform. I'm lucky in that i've seen the future and I think its bright. Is version 1 a rough transition for staunch pc users? maybe, but i'll be very interested in seeing how you feel once its reached maturity.

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Are you saying that very big changes will be made to LIVE to make it more popular with PC gamers? I too see potential in it, but I really dislike some of the decisions made. I would support LIVE mostly if it weren't for user-hosted servers being gold-exclusive. That is something I really dislike right now, because it doesn't make any sense that we should be paying Microsoft to host servers on our own computer. I kow the LIVE service needs to be payed for somehow, but there are better ways to do it. Overall i think LIVE is a good concept and idea, but poorly done as of now and it has given me a bad first impression. I just hope some changes will come along in the implementation of LIVE rather than just adding in little features to make it look more valuble.

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Your joking right?

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I am not. Like I was saying, I have seen LIVE in a form that you have not yet. My comment was just a personal opinion about the future of the service, thats all. I understand how you feel about it right now compared to other services available on the PC. Naturally, Xbox Live had a better birth because it was on a console without much competition.

Not to seem demanding, but are you able to tell us anything about it or hint as to what sort of changes will be made? Big or small?

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Originally Posted by bum has knife

I am not. Like I was saying, I have seen LIVE in a form that you have not yet. My comment was just a personal opinion about the future of the service, thats all. I understand how you feel about it right now compared to other services available on the PC. Naturally, Xbox Live had a better birth because it was on a console without much competition.

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Either way you will have to pay otherwise there will be no Gold/Silver and it will not be able to go cross platform (Gold only) with the xbox.

Request: Compatibility with Hamachi. The only thing that will ever possibly make live an accepted service by PC gamers and have a bright future is if its 100% free, no silver, gold platinum bs. That's a hopeless wish if its coming from microsoft which is probably fixed on packing more useless novelty features into it and finding ways to ensure its forced onto pc gamers through windows like it is on the xbox instead.

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Originally Posted by Stealth

Oh and Bum has knife, you rock

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no, he stabs :eng101:

Also, the only reason I would really want Hamachi is to have true private games with friends back in the states, or for testing maps etc :(

I have faith in XBL and GFWL..
I see hamachi coming into play only because if they start getting pissed about custom content if we decide to create more then just maps in the future..

i dont really mind paying lol i have to for xbox anyway and i use the same account :)

You don't mind paying because you have a xbox, some of us don't. There are what two games that use live for pc? Why would I pay $50 just for 2 games and I only have one.

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Originally Posted by Kornman00

Also, the only reason I would really want Hamachi is to have true private games with friends back in the states, or for testing maps etc :(

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Same reason I want it. I want to be able to host normal closed games for testing maps. As simple as that, as hosting private online games have been stander in online pc games since quake... Neither I want to be robbed into paying for gold, nor do I want any of my fellow testers being robbed just to test maps in a closed server.

I got a question.

Would you guys paid for LIVE had the editor been more "open" and the dedicated server like CE's?

If the dedicated server was more like CE's you could host your own server and play on it with silver. I doubt that bullshit about "host advantage" with the dedicated servers is more of a reason for someone to get Gold. There is no host advantage, if there was then why can user's with gold host their games and not have a stick shoved up their ass about it.

So if the dedicated server's were like CE's and you could host and play on it there would be no point in actually paying for live.

Well I have to say this; even though you have to pay for a gold account LIVE is better on the PC then the xbox. The reason is that on xbox live (360) the Silver membership is free like the pc but you can't play multiplayer. So yes I hate the fact that you have to pay but still its better than xbox live.

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Originally Posted by Kornman00

I got a question.
Would you guys paid for LIVE had the editor been more "open" and the dedicated server like CE's?

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Now admittedly I am old school so my comments on the subject will most likely not originate from the same experience as others here. When I purchase a video game I expect to pay for the game and nothing more. I do not expect to pay extra for an on-line multiplayer shooter experience when the game has that option.

If the Live system was just an anonymous server browser I would have no problems with it. But it is not. It is a community and retail sales system. I am not the least bit interested in achievements, chatting with others or being marketed to. I have a free account.

I understand the potential of the Live system to create a community and the cost involved in maintaining it, hence the fee. But from where I sit on the sidelines it looks as if Microsoft is trying to create and to a large extent control a single gamer community with Live, whereas I feel that communities of this type should not be centrally controlled but scattered, smaller and self organized. The primary benefit for MS that I see for a single gamer community is so that it can be marketed too efficiently whereas many scattered groups are harder to reach. There are also benefits for the gamer but to me they pall by comparison to the influence the central system can wield.

I am not even going to get into the loss of privacy involved. Just to say that now that my Live account is also for Halo 2 where before it was only for my MS partner program, Microsoft now has access to the exact times I play Halo 2 and can know by name and address.

As for the server I haven’t yet run tests on it directly but I can tell from just monitoring my connection that near T1 bidirectional speeds are required to run a full server. I deduce this because my downlink bandwidth was 10% higher than my uplink bandwidth. There are technical limitations imposed by the requirements. Since Live is not just a server browser, I am making a wild guess that MS's thoughts were that since they will have to field the Live complaints of the self hosted servers on low uplink connections they should at least get paid for it. Central control of the game once again.

I can not address the map editor specifically except to say that if there was any fault it was that it was never made clear that it was only a map editor and not an SDK like the Halo CE tools.

To sum up my thoughts: So far no company has enticed me enough to pay a reoccurring fee for ANY game and I expect none ever will. The games do not hold that much importance for me as they may for people more in the target market.

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Originally Posted by UXB

If the Live system was just an anonymous server browser I would have no problems with it. But it is not. It is a community and retail sales system. I am not the least bit interested in achievements, chatting with others .

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On xbox this feature would be great cause everyone has the same mic designed to work on the xbox. Where as everyone has a different computer with different mics and most of the time they buy the cheapest one they can find and then use it incorrectly, it is truely annoying to hear the static sound all the time. I'm not sure if there is a way to view a player (same place as the friends list) but mine hasn't been working for almost a month now (probly a gold only feature) so you can't mute them when playing (assuming).

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Originally Posted by skyline

On xbox this feature would be great cause everyone has the same mic designed to work on the xbox. Where as everyone has a different computer with different mics and most of the time they buy the cheapest one they can find and then use it incorrectly, it is truely annoying to hear the static sound all the time. I'm not sure if there is a way to view a player (same place as the friends list) but mine hasn't been working for almost a month now (probly a gold only feature) so you can't mute them when playing (assuming).

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You can mute while playing. I still don't see why it doesn't work for you. :(

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Originally Posted by et_cg

You can mute while playing. I still don't see why it doesn't work for you. :(

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It takes forever though, you gotta open live, go into players, find the guy, but most of the time he's not even on the list, then you gotta open another menu and mute him. Why can't we just use the ingame scores list and the arrow keys to highlight players, then hit a normally unused button?

Like Halo 3?

Suggestion;

Integrate an easy in-game mute function. (For muting people)

Has HG patched the game yet?

Sadly, no. :(

Technically yes. It disabled the map shots in fear of people adding nudity to them, i.e. porn, furry pron, goatse, etc.

Lol, I laugh at that because they added "Partial Nudity" to the rating and if live has so much of an advantage they can ban whoever hosts the map/take down the server.

Suggestion: Remove the name restrictions for Live. Map names cannot be creative with such constraints. (The word Shaft is prohibited)

I agree with et_cg on that one, look at hce.halomaps.org. There is no map there with any kind of profanity [I think mainly because Dennis (OK, fine, UXB) removes them]. Granted, there is one with nudity in it, but that's the secret room, and you can't stop them. I have not bought H2V yet, for 3 reasons:
1. Everyone I have talked to says it's exactly the same as the Xbox version, which I own. At least add in a couple more SP levels or something. Maybe a tiny preview of Halo 3.
2. Even if I didn't already have it for the Xbox, I've heard so many reports of bad framerate, and this entire thread full of 13 pages of bugs, that I wouldn't buy it until it was stable.
3. I also would like a fully unlocked HEK, which our good friend Kornman is providing for us (Thanks!). However, I would prefer to use the official one then the possibly illegal one, though I would currently go for the latter due to the lockiness.

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Originally Posted by Jay2645

2. Even if I didn't already have it for the Xbox, I've heard so many reports of bad framerate, and this entire thread full of 13 pages of bugs, that I wouldn't buy it until it was stable.

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:/ I can only see 3, but there is 124 posts in this thread with a list of bugs in them, but other then that H2V is a good game so far.

You wouldn't know a good game if it came up and cockslapped you in the face. Which, incidentally, I sincerely wish someone would do.

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Originally Posted by Stealth

:/ I can only see 3, but there is 124 posts in this thread with a list of bugs in them, but other then that H2V is a good game so far.

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You've got to be shitting me.

Honest to god, I bet you're one of those retards that believes Halo CE was a good port.

Probably.

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Originally Posted by Berkut

You wouldn't know a good game if it came up and cockslapped you in the face. Which, incidentally, I sincerely wish someone would do.

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Dude, yea maybe I don't know what a good game is in your mind, but then again, I'm not you, and you're not me, the way we think are different, my idea of a good game is StarCraft.

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Originally Posted by SuperNova

You've got to be shitting me.

Honest to god, I bet you're one of those retards that believes Halo CE was a good port.

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Um, Halo CE was good, but not the best, it's better then Halo PC in the long run because of the custom maps, I don't judge games one gfx or gameplay or the story line, I judge them on how easy some one can make custom models and crap. I do think Halo CE could of been a better port if Gear Box didn't fuck it up.

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Originally Posted by Stealth

Dude, yea maybe I don't know what a good game is in your mind, but then again, I'm not you, and you're not me, the way we think are different, my idea of a good game is StarCraft.

Um, Halo CE was good, but not the best, it's better then Halo PC in the long run because of the custom maps, I don't judge games one gfx or gameplay or the story line, I judge them on how easy some one can make custom models and crap. I do think Halo CE could of been a better port if Gear Box didn't fuck it up.

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It might be easy to make custom models, but if they're good, then it can take quite a bit of work optimizing them to work with ce.

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Originally Posted by SuperNova

It might be easy to make custom models, but if they're good, then it can take quite a bit of work optimizing them to work with ce.

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good point, but at that point, I'm not judging the game it's self, I'm judging the modeling skills of the modeler, and the model and/or map.

Let's stay on topic, please.

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Originally Posted by KIWIDOGGIE

Bug:
Floating Warthogs when spawn(untill u get in or melee it)

Request:
Use the older Havok Physics engine so we can superbounce :)

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Request:
Ignore KIWIDOGGIE

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Originally Posted by KIWIDOGGIE

Bug:
Floating Warthogs when spawn(untill u get in or melee it)

Request:
Use the older Havok Physics engine so we can superbounce :)

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I agree with Conscars, and;

Fix;
Select "At rest" in sapien.

Request:
Fix the bug where certain game types on dedicated servers cause everyone to see just 0 for the scores, or people who join mid game. I've seen it quite a bit lately, but I've yet to narrow down why it happens.

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Fix the network errors, suggestion by maybe actually using Live servers for something other than connecting/sending messages?

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We were told earlier in FAQs that we would be able to communicate with our Halo 2 360 friends by voice and text, I don't know if it's just me, but I cannot do it.

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Patch?

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Originally Posted by m13120

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We were told earlier in FAQs that we would be able to communicate with our Halo 2 360 friends by voice and text, I don't know if it's just me, but I cannot do it.

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it's called Xbox live PMs.:rolleyes:

Bug:
Sometimes, when I'm taking screenshots...well this is how it turns out:

http://img102.imageshack.us/img102/8844/00051dn5.jpg

I don't know if this is a bug but whatever it is, it needs to be fixed. Since it's kind of annoying.

Sometimes I join a server or a game starts there is no score! It only says everybody has 0 kills. Only when the game's over in postgame report you can see the score. Has anybody else experienced this?

For all those complaining about the mic issue, including myself. I'm not sure if anyone else has found this but I might as well post it. You can disable all the sounds coming from the mic in the settings panel under "voice".

http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/b...line13/yay.jpg

Also there is some update :).

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Originally Posted by Conscars

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Sometimes, when I'm taking screenshots...well this is how it turns out:

http://img102.imageshack.us/img102/8844/00051dn5.jpg

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Thats pretty neat. Like a 10 frame blending.

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Originally Posted by skyline

For all those complaining about the mic issue, including myself. I'm not sure if anyone else has found this but I might as well post it. You can disable all the sounds coming from the mic in the settings panel under "voice".

http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/b...line13/yay.jpg

Also there is some update :).

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That's always been there.

What they added was "Voice Threshold"

http://img521.imageshack.us/img521/9...holdh2vub8.jpg

Basically how many decibles it takes to actually activate your voice. Before it was all controlled through recording volume, which in turn affected how loud you were and partly how loud you had to be to get your voice to activate.

Request; Instead of updating live, update Halo 2. lol, I'm sure you guys have been hard at work.

im not sure if this has been posted yet ,but this absolutely has to be fixed ,maybe its just me
but when driving a warthog ,or in the passenger seat or in the gunner position ,its horrendously laggy

like the gunner seat ,firing the turret should be smooth
instead it pops up and down like crazy

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Originally Posted by xExus

I don't know if this is a bug but whatever it is, it needs to be fixed. Since it's kind of annoying.

Sometimes I join a server or a game starts there is no score! It only says everybody has 0 kills. Only when the game's over in postgame report you can see the score. Has anybody else experienced this?

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Yeah it's happened to me a couple times.

Hmm not too sure if this has been requested, probably has:

Distinguishing between Global Chat, Ingame private whispers, and Team chat...

Please?

^.

It'd be nice to have separate colours.

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Originally Posted by Syuusuke

Hmm not too sure if this has been requested, probably has:

Distinguishing between Global Chat, Ingame private whispers, and Team chat...

Please?

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Originally Posted by Conscars

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It'd be nice to have separate colours.

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Like have green for global chat, black for ingame private whispers, and Team color for team chat?

black is a bad idea, it'll be hard to read.

I wish it was a smart text, it adapts to whatever the background is (like if the you look at the grass, and the text for some reason is green, it'll change colors to...red or blue or something that'll greatly contrast against the image?)

Actually that would be a request also: Smart text that contrasts against the background =D

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Originally Posted by Conscars

black is a bad idea, it'll be hard to read.

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good point. forget black then.

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Originally Posted by Syuusuke

I wish it was a smart text, it adapts to whatever the background is (like if the you look at the grass, and the text for some reason is green, it'll change colors to...red or blue or something that'll greatly contrast against the image?)

Actually that would be a request also: Smart text that contrasts against the background =D

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good idea, that'd be a very helf full thing, there are times when I'm playing Halo and some one is talking to me in text, I have to look up or at a wall that isn't 50% to 100% white just to see what the guy is saying.

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Originally Posted by Syuusuke

Actually that would be a request also: Smart text that contrasts against the background =D

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That, and it could just say [TEAM] before team messages, [PRIVATE], and say nothing before global chat

Being able to type T & Y to differenciate between who your talking to, instead of the whole '/team' would be cool.

So hows that update coming? I recently got a Xbox 360 Controller update, which reminded me about H2V.

Bean, you can do that. You can assign team, global chats.

The updates comes when it comes along, who knows when, soon is probably the answer.

Request: Less laggy-ness when using the LIVE Guide AND browsing through the LIVE Game lobby, please?

There was something else I thought was pretty important...geez

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Ok, I KNOW this has been mentioned:

PLEASE PLEASE Limit the # of Delays each player can delay...AND PLEASE put up an indicator on who delayed it (especially on dedicated servers) so we know who to reprimand =D, but the # of limits on delay is a DEFINITE...please?

Postgame Carnage Report XML files are horribly inaccurate and have quite a few problems.
1. Sometimes, in team games, places aren't recorded properly
2. In games with two teams, non blue/red teams' players do not have a team value. This and the above make it impossible determine who was on what team in a game of say, pink and yellow.
3. PCRs are sometimes just plain odd. I have a few on hand that have scores that don't add up even if you consider quitters and suicides / betrayals. Primarily, I have a slayer game where a player has no kills or deaths but has a score of 6.