Any card with display ports can run massive amounts of displays.
Any card with display ports can run massive amounts of displays.
Nope. With nVidia you need sli for more than two monitors, even with display port.
Oh lol.
There are now (within the last few months) some custom made cards from certain manufacturers that support more than two outputs per card. There was a company advertising their new 580 that can do Nvidia Surround mode all on its own, it might of been one of those MDT card but I don't remember.Quote:
Originally Posted by Amit
I was looking at it, yeah. Still, those are super high-end custom cards. The stock technology doesn't support it nor is it supposed to. It's not a bad thing if they can enable such things, though.
The HD 7970 card is doing wonders. :3
lol. Did you expect it to do any less?
Well, originally I was afraid it wouldn't hold up like the GTX 580, but instead it has surpassed it.
lol, why?
I'd tell you why if you'd ask me in a form that made sense.
What I mean is why is there a sound mixer and a giant speaker on your desk. A giant speaker on a glass desk. Is that a good idea? Also, what looks like a sub is on your computer case. Is that a good idea, too?
Sound mixer is actually a big benefit to me. One channel is for my PC, another for my keyboard, another for my TV and another for my mic. I do a lot of recording so it comes in good use. The speaker has been on my desk countless times over time, its not 100 pounds and there is metal support beneath, lmao. So yeah, great sound and quality. Is it a good idea? Yeah it is. Also, that speaker isnt a sub. theres two more in the back of my room for surround sound.
That's what I thought about the speaker on the case. I was skeptical whether it was a speaker or a sub because it looks about the size of a sub from a 5.1 PC speaker set. But then it doesn't really make sense that you have such a small sub considering the other big audio stuff you're packing lol.
Quote:
Originally Posted by t3h m00kz
Discussion necro, but w/e, I want to chime in on this. As someone who just recently switched to ESDF a couple weeks ago, I agree that it's superior, at least for RPGs. If you're playing a game which you need a lot of keybinds for, it's better. It gives you more keys to bind to the left of your hand; it's as simple as that. I recently started playing WoW again, and I switched to it to give myself more easily-reachable keybinds. I actually don't even use ESDF in WoW; I just use ESF, and use D for another keybind. There's no reason to backpedal in WoW unless you're a tank.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bodzilla
As someone who has played RPGs a lot, I figured you of all people would be able to figure it out. It's all about giving yourself more easily-reachable keybinds.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cortexian
The macro keys on the far left of some gaming keyboards? They aren't as easily reachable as W, Q, A, Z, etc. are from the ESDF configuration. As for mouse buttons, yeah they help, but even with the Razer Naga I just got which has 17 buttons, I still need a dozen or so more binds on the keyboard. If you have a ton of abilities you need to use, and want to keybind them all (I imagine you would unless you're a bad who clicks your abilities with the cursor), then ESDF is superior.Quote:
Between mouse buttons and keyboards with macro keys there's no point.
Only thing is you'll be misclicking stuff for about a week until you get used to it.
This. It took me several days (probably close to a week) before this stopped happening. Once your brain "unlearns" WASD though, it's great.Quote:
Originally Posted by Donut
I use WASD + Mouse clicks for skills on buttons. I never really have more than 15 skills in RPG's that I use often, so 1-5 above WASD + Shift/Alt 1-5 combos are plenty.
I finally set the shouts in Skyrim to one of my mouse buttons. My god, that makes life so much easier.
http://bacon.modacity.net/img/images...0412040712.jpgQuote:
Originally Posted by king_nothing_
esdf would be nice, seeing as I have a keybind on caps lock and lots of things using shift or control. Takes some hell of dedication to not use wasd though, especially if you play other games as well.
Basically what I do for LOTRO. I used to use each set of 4 macro keys on the G110 to seperate types of skills (ranged, special ranged, melee, etc.). However, since I installed windows on the SSD, I'm too lazy to spend 2 minutes to set all the macro keys back. It's not hard to use the regular shortcuts to begin with so I doubt I'll ever use the macro keys again.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cortexian
Alright so I finally decided to go out and buy the Corsair H60 because the weather is very very warm around here and it's making my PC run extremely loud. Since my current case doesn't have enough fan mounts to complement the H60's intake fan I also bought the Antec One mid-tower case. The Case was $45 and the H60 was $55. I ported all my components over to the new case, but I don't have 70% or higher Isopropyl Alcohol to clean the thermal compound off the CPU from the stock cooler, so I'm going to put the H60 in later. Overall, the noise is about the same, probably because I'm right next to the case and sound from the CPU cooler comes through the top fan. The top fan spinning at 800RPM (rear fan 1200RPM) seems to have helped with dropping my CPU temperature 10 degrees down to 50 celsius. I can't wait to put that H60 in there and see to new results.
Crappy phone pics of the build so far:
Love how clean your setup is! :D
Sweet CPU water cooler.
Some of the other guys (Cortexian, Zeph, Jcap, etc. ) here put me to complete shame when it comes to cable management. My lack of a modular power supply leaves me with a sloppy job at best. I forgot to pull the front panel and pci-e cable more behind the motherboard so that's a bit of a mess there. The CPU power cable isn't long enough to go behind the motherboard, come back out at the top right cut out, and then reach across the top to the CPU power connector. So, I just deicded to run the cable under the gap at the front of the GPU. Ugly, but it works.
I was mainly going to ask about your motherboard auxilary power cable, is it to short to run behind the motherboard tray and snake in from the top? Everything else looks about right, it just needs to be wrangled up and tugged behind the motherboard tray a bit.
If the top of the case allowed for a slit running along the top, then I could just run it straight up the left side of the case behind the motherboard and do what you said. Unfortunately the case doesn't have one so the only other way for it to get up to the connector is by running it straight up to the connector on the front side of the motherboard. I don't like how close it is to the heatsink of the CPU cooler. That won't be an issue after I put in the H60, though. Actually, I could take the motherboard out, run the cable to the top and then place the motherboard directly over top of it. That would work, but it's definitely not an option since the standoff placement is a bit off in relation to my motherboard. They seem to be in the right places, but it took like 40 mins for me to get all those fuckin' screws in. That was probably the most difficult part of transferring all the components if you can believe it.
I checked online for any people who have trouble with the standoffs on this case but I saw nothing, so I'm just guessing my motherboard doesn't like to play nice with cases. Only 6 screws secure my motherboard to the chassis, yet there is this one random 7th one just to the top of the PCI-E cable plugged into the GPU. On the three cases that this MB has been in, not a single one has a hole to place a standoff where that mounting hole is on the motherboard.
I was going to take a picture of the right side of the case so you guys could see the nightmare of cables on the other side of the motherboard, but you'd probably cringe. I did a little less than my best to keep everything flat enough without using zip ties to get the right side panel back on. The Side panel is only dented outwards at a maximum of 20mm so there's not a lot of room to work with behind there, but there's just enough. My main gripe is with how long my SATA cables are. That's really the only thing that bothers me because they take up so much damn space. I'll fix it up a bit more once I put in the H60.
Sounds like a good excuse to bust out a dremeland start case modding to me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Amit
Unless Antec is really dumb there should be a gap between the very top of the case and the motherboard tray/panel. You could try feeding the cable behind there and up and over.Quote:
Originally Posted by Amit
And yeah, standoff placement is always dumb and terrible.
Probably not. I don't give any shits about that side of my case at all. If I can force the side-panel on it's good enough!Quote:
Originally Posted by Amit
Anything SATA related has ALWAYS been a pain for cable management. Worse if you're running an expansion card for RAID or just additional SATA ports. Lots of the expansion cards have retarded connector positions.Quote:
Originally Posted by Amit
I decided to take a stroll down memory lane... Oh how far I've come:
You can see what I mean about the SATA cables in that picture. Technically those are "mini-SAS SFF-8087 x4" cables but they're basically SATA for all intents and purposes.
Hahaha, oh jesus. Well I got some 99% Isopropyl Alcohol just now so I'm gonna grab some coffee filters and go to town on that thermal paste. Hopefully I'm not clumsy enough to let any damp area of the filter touch anything other than the top of the CPU. If everything goes to plan, I should have my Corsair H60 up and running in an hour or less. I'm always the super cautious type of person so It may take a bit more time than the average tinkerer.
you have a 2.5" HDD in a desktop? i wasnt aware those existedQuote:
Originally Posted by Amit
E: i mean, i knew they were in laptops, but i figured that was a laptop thing and 2.5" drives in desktops would all be SSDs
E2: planning on doing some dusting today... i should get some pics for you gentlemen
Yeah, laptops get old and slow, but laptop HDDs never go out of style. They are slower of course, but hey, an extra 200GB drive is always welcome, is it not? In my previous case all three 2.5" drives (including the SSD) weren't actually mounted in the HDD cage because there wasn't space for all three (only held three 3.5" drives) and I didn't want to spend money on 3.5"-to-2.5" drive bay adapters. The Antec One case has two built-in 2.5" drive mounts. One way at the top and one on the bottom. The 2.5" HDD below the SSD is unsecured and sitting on top of an unused (but mostly filled) 3.5" HDD. I still don't want to buy a drive mount adapter so I figured sitting the 2.5" HDD on top of the unheated 3.5" drive is safe enough.Quote:
Originally Posted by Donut
Alright, here's the pics of the Corsair Hydro H60 installed:
CPU current idling at 40 Celsius (13 degrees below my stock cooler idle temp.). I haven't put it on load yet so I'm going to go play some BF3 and see how it goes. And Jesus Mary Joseph I love how quiet my case is now. Currently, the rear fan is an intake that blows cool air onto the radiator and the top fan is an exhaust that blows case heat up and out of the case. I'm thinking of using one of the side panel, bottom, or front fan mounts as an exhaust as well. I just can't decide which. I only have one more system_fan connector left on the motherboard, so I must choose wisely.
EDIT: BF3 Strike at Karkand Conquest with 64 players: hovers around 51 Celsius. That's way better than my 63 Celsius with the stock cooler. And it's still pretty quiet. I'll have to download a CPU benchmark to really stress test it. I'm only using the pre-applied thermal compound right now so I might replace it in the future with some Arctic Cooling MX-4 to see if it drops temps even more.
Turns out I forgot to post my pictures :D
Heres my rig, I think I need to get an extension on the CPU cable, as its too short to wrap it behind the backside of the case.
Going to be installing a new water cooling loop. I'll have pictures up hopefully tonight.
Edit: How's the 670 treating you? Any issues with the fan? I'm hearing that there are a lot of problems with it. I want one pretty bad... but will hold off until they get the faulty ones narrowed down.
Well I've had it 2 weeks, although the past week I was on holiday, so I've really only had 1 week of usage and so far no issues with the GPU fan that I can tell. Is this the noise you mean:
The biggest noise of my pc is vibration, if I hold my hand on the case pretty firmly most of the noise goes away.
Edit:
I do have this card though...
http://www.techpowerup.com/166179/EVGA-Undertakes-Mini-Recall-Of-GeForce-GTX-670-SC-Owners-To-Get-FTW-as-Replacements.html
Edit 2:
Okay I have the P4 model so isnt mine.
Get a 670 with a custom heatsink from Gigagyte or Asus if you're concerned about the stock fans :)Quote:
Originally Posted by BobtheGreatII
Asus gtx670 DCUII TOP. This thing is small like a midrange should be :) big card is the gtx570
LOLHUGE 570
Asus y u go non-ref?!
Because they aren't EVGAQuote:
Originally Posted by Cortexian
My comp is all go and no show unfortunately.
The case has no cable management whatsoever so I had to settle with stuffing it all behind the drive bays.
Case fan blows out, cool air comes in from the front.
Seems to work out, RAM gets no love but fuck them they have their heatsinks they can deal with it.
Dont worry Jackal, my cable management is worse:
Installed all my stuff! works like a charm.
Good God Higuy. I have no idea what leads to where.
Lmao. Most the of the wire mess is actually unplugged wires from my PSU. The thing has so many god damn wires and its nearly impossible to simply organize them with zip ties or anything. So I just threw them all into the drive bay.
Better cable management than my piece-of-shit HP Compaq.
Oh, btw, how the fuck do i install a hard drive properly? My hard drive that was in there before uses two things on the sides of it that allows it to simply slide in easily - my new 1tb drive came with nothing at all except the drive itself and some screws, nothing else. Is there some other way to properly install it? ATM its just kinda sitting in my case and it makes a little bit of noise as well because of that.
I would hardly call that a case. I popped open my friend's Compaq case the other day and it was just a shambles of wires everywhere. Those PC vendors think that the people who buy their computers are too stupid to open up the case and take a look at the shitty job they did building the PC. For the most part, they are right.Quote:
Originally Posted by DarkHalcyon
Well from looking at your picture, your original HDD uses the same style of mounting brackets that my case does:Quote:
Originally Posted by Higuy
(black sticks)
You need to look in the motherboard box or wherever you keep the stuff that came with your computer for another set of clips that look like it so you can install the 2nd drive safely and easily. If you don't find any, just screw the drive into the hard drive cage with the provided screws. I can't really tell from the gay lighting in your picture, but your HDD cage looks removable. If you can remove it, just screw the HDD in and put the cage back into the case. Problem solved.
I always crack open my case, first thing. Usually I like to know what's what before I boot up or add on.Quote:
Originally Posted by Amit
Unfortunately, the usual A or B brand cases don't have any sort of cable management system. The one I'm stuck with can't do much anyways. They riveted the other side closed. The most I could do with it is swap out the mobo with another Micro-ATX, replace the PSU, or add another drive.
Good thing mid-range motherboards are cheap for both Intel and AMD.
I know, right? I actually ordered a new ASUS mobo and 4GB of memory all for around $85. They aren't high-end, but they're better than the default stuff.
One other question - in task manager, under 'performance' and under the section physical memory, it says I only have 3554MB of Physical memory, however, I have 8gb of memory in terms of RAM, and windows notices this (like in the windows welcome screen it says the 8gb of ram). Whats up with that?
32 bit OS.
So a 32 bit OS will only support 4gb of memory? da fuq?
You didn't know this?Quote:
Originally Posted by Higuy
32 bit has long been known to be limited to 4GB's physical memory ever since XP.
you need 64 bit to take advantage of more.
I'm not a computer expert, so no.Quote:
Originally Posted by =sw=warlord
e: found my moms x64 bit windows 7 installer disk... going to be reinstalling everything for a second time, yay!
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What language is that? Looks... interesting.
I think that's his bitcoin address or something
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Windows 7 x64 is installed and now my RAM is showing up. Thanks for letting me know that... now time to move all my files again.... :saddowns:
Should only be using x64 now anyways. Game developers and such are starting to REQUIRE x64 to play games. The 4GB limitation on x86 (32 bit) really restricts what developers can do.
Yeah, it's pretty dumb that you need a differen version of the OS just to support more RAM. I do have to say though, Windows 7 is looking pretty nice. Never really payed much attention to it until now.
nice thing you have there nero
Joshua you cunt. What I wouldn't give for that rig.
That is the downstairs. I wonder what you would do about my bedroom then. Haha...Quote:
Originally Posted by TeeKup
*Bad pic is bad, but it will do. It's actually HD, just shitty pic*
http://a2.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphot...96367550_n.jpg
:)
Sucks that you can't put UI elements were you want or resize them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nero
i got a thing
Very nice case. And which Windows 8 you running?
They're all bad, does it matter?
Case is a Fractal R3. The monitor I just got is a Crossover 27Q. W8 RP.Quote:
Originally Posted by ThePlague
I'm sorry for your bad.Quote:
Originally Posted by ThePlague
Ouch, Windows 8.
I'm sorry for your bad.Quote:
Originally Posted by Amit
I think you fucked up. Twice. Three times considering W8 is running on your PC :mech2:
I'm sorry for your madQuote:
Originally Posted by Amit
Alright, you win. There's something about that phrase that just spooks me.
ok just dont come back it hurts when i cant shinomero
You're sorry for our bad.
Our bad on what? Is that not Windows 8? Are you trying to defend Windows 8 as actually being worth any kind of money? I really don't understand what you're going on about.
Not everyone here hates Windows 8. Deal with it.
This.Quote:
Originally Posted by BobtheGreatII
Has anyone else used W8? It's a mess.
opinions are cool, but i cant allow anyone to just go over aweeR
Windows 8 is pretty cool, though I believe I will be sticking with Windows 7 for now.
If you actually like/don't mind Windows 8, what exactly do you like about it?
I actually sat down for about a week trying to use Windows 8 ONLY. The shit was so useless and unfriendly, everything I wanted to do took longer than it should of. The entire thing is a convoluted mess IMO.
i almost care enough to reply
Why defend if you don't tell us what's so good about it to make you switch from W7 to W8. There has to be a reason other than pretty tile shifting.
its NEW and supports ARMS. I have two arms so this is great news!
^Quote:
Originally Posted by Cortexian
Its suppose to be more user friendly not for me though.
It turned out to be the entire opposite from user friendly for me. The ARM version is kinda useless if they're gonna cripple it the way its heading.
sameQuote:
Originally Posted by JackalStomper
Let me re-phrase: Why would you want it on a desktop PC? What benefits does it provide over Windows 7?
The desktop exists exactly as it does in W7, with the enhancements that you would expect from upgrading an OS. eg a long needed improvement on the task manager, storage spaces, a damn nice improvement to the file copy utility with a performance graph and the ability to pause transfers, as well as better time calculations, the system performance footprint has been reduced to use less RAM and services, marginally better multi monitor support, boot time is much better, native ISO mounting, quick access to advanced OS tools by right clicking the bottom left corner (stuff that was listed on the right of the W7 start menu and much more) and generally better optimizations over W7.
If you're getting held up on Metro: "you're holding it wrong." Use it as you did the start menu. Nothing in my workflow is hampered by it and I feel that it making use of my 2560x1440 screen is better than the hugely outdated start menu style lists.
It just takes so fucking long to find anything using metro. It's a goddamn mess! The rest of the OS I have no issue with besides the gay colour schemes.
Well and good, but is it worth the price they are charging? Has Windows ever been worth the price they charge for an upgrade? I would say arguably no, and I would say even less so with this iteration. I would, at most, shell out $75 for an upgrade to Windows 8 and it has to be the Pro version. And I'm being optimistic.Quote:
Originally Posted by MrBig
That said, while WP7 is very intuitive, I do not find that to be the case with Windows 8.
I payed $20 for Vista. I payed $10 for W7. I payed nothing for the W8 beta. If I wanted W7 on my computer I would have had to buy another W7 license. Why would I do that when I can use W8 for free now and pay as little as $20 in a year or so? Who is stupid enough to walk in to best buy and buy a boxed copy of Windows?
:realsmug: there are other ways that work just as well....
Free != Good.Quote:
Originally Posted by MrBig
Opinion != Reality.
I'm sorry. I guess I should just stop liking things.
I bought a copy of Windows 7 3 weeks ago, does that make me an idiot?Quote:
Originally Posted by MrBig
Why should I care what you use? I would never recommend anyone to use a beta OS their primary. I use the W8 RP because why the fuck should I not. I don't care what kind of opinion has been impressed upon you of W8, it in no way impairs my productivity and it enhances old functions. Get over whatever prejudices you have and think for yourself, stop caring what other people think or do. Damn this is the reason I stopped going to this miserable forum.
And there I go again. Caring. I gotta stop that.
You are entitled to your opinion, likewise I am entitled to mine and shouldnt have my head bitten off if you disagree.
My productivity would be crippled if I was to use W8, and I think a lot of people here also would.
It has already been commonly established that it will slow down power users and creates more barriers that it fixes. That is not an opinion, its a fact.
What ever happened to constructive arguments? No need for anger. If he can somehow use W8 without getting tangled up, that's one hell of a feat.
I'm looking for honest answers and testimonials for Windows 8. I'd like to upgrade to it for a few of the things it offers, but the bad seems to highly outweigh the good.
Part of his point is that a bunch of the hate seems to stem from a pre-concieved prejudice towards Microsoft OS's not necessarily because the OS is actually good or bad :PQuote:
Originally Posted by Limited
