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Know what, I was gonna get the PC copy, I might as well just rent the 360 one now.
Yes, I bought ODST, but it is a 360 game, there is already a precedent for them to screw us over, I don't want to support a precedent for companies to stop using dedicated server modeled multiplayer on the PC.
Where's the need for it in a shooter like CoD though? You can still invite friends to play or hold comps in games which already use matchmaking.
But you can't see the ping of the group to determine how much it will lag, you can't kick someone, at least without majority vote (even though I don't know any MM games that let you do that), you have to debate about the next map instead of having the server admin make a map list to make the game go smooth, you have to add everyone you want to play with to your friends list instead of just joining the server that they are all in, servers allow you to have a larger community playing, with people hopping in and out to make/fill spaces, letting you play with more people then the max server size, dedicated servers add some permanence to the game, etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by rossmum
There are many reasons why dedicated servers are ideal over matchmaking.
If Halo 3 PC was announced with no dedicated servers, you think this site wouldn't go flaming Bungie and boycotting the game?
We basically did it with that's half-assed game H2V.
Ok, you know what?
I'm not concerned about the game. I never really played much COD4 multiplayer (although it was fun), and I probably wasn't going to play MW2's multiplayer anymore than I play multiplayer games right now (not too often, maybe once a week). So, I can't say I am going to be affected by this much. However, I still care.
I'm most concerned with the impact Activision's choice will have on PC gaming. If there are no complaints, other publishers will see this just as "oh, well, it worked for them and it benefits us!" so we could begin to see the decline in dedicated servers. Hopefully sales and Activision's image are hurt by this. We need it to be for the future of PC gaming. We are not consoles.
I would assume nobody would be dumb enough to create a matchmaking mode where it seeks out the servers with the highest pings. I also see fuck all kicking, map changing, or any other kind of intervention in most MW servers, so what's the difference when all is said and done?Quote:
Originally Posted by sdavis117
IM SO FUCKIN MAD AT INFINITY WARD AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH
*LITERALLY SHOVES A WHOLE FUCKING FIST AND FOREARM UP MY ASS*
ASSSSS FUUUUUUCK
sorry admins i just have a tendency to imitate other posters hope thats okay!!
You haven't played many games with matchmaking, have you?Quote:
Originally Posted by rossmum
In MW servers, a single admin with Rcon can do all of that, in MW2 (with Matchmaking), it will take a general consensus (most likely) to be able to do anything.Quote:
I also see fuck all kicking, map changing, or any other kind of intervention in most MW servers, so what's the difference when all is said and done?
Also Kolobus, take a chill pill. Save that arm for Activision (who I would assume is the real force behind this change).
l4d, game of the year, had matchmaking
sorry your pathetic argument was on life support and the doctors decided they had to pull the plug
...what? Could you try making coherent points instead of crapping on the board and flying away boasting about your victory (+rep to anyone who gets that reference).Quote:
Originally Posted by Kolobus
L4D matches me with an Australian server, first time every time.Quote:
Originally Posted by sdavis117
That doesn't alter the fact that nine times out of ten, nobody does it. At least with voting, the players can make shit happen.Quote:
Originally Posted by sdavis117
there is a way to get a server browser, have fun sticking fists up your ass, well cyaQuote:
Originally Posted by Kolobus
yeah but its not a feature. have fun pretending to be a small anime child. oh wait you literally are a anime baby. anime baby. anime is gay. have funQuote:
Originally Posted by Kyon's Sister
At the end of the day I can almost guarantee every single one of you boycott cool kids will buy the game despite this, just like the L4D2 boycotters will
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Originally Posted by rossmum
Matchmaking tends to find the first available player at any given time to join your merry group, and it tends to ignore ping as long as your live in the same country. This means that someone with 10 torrents running and crappy DSL could join your game, and due to the peer-peer structure of the match, he will bring the entirety of the game down to his speed.
Also, L4D and MW2 are two completely different games. L4D is more of a cooperative game that requires full servers to be played correctly, while MW2 does not.
I wouldn't even mind Matchmaking in the PC version of MW2 for CO-OP mode, but I still want a server browser and dedicated server structure for general multiplayer, because it is far superior in that area to matchmaking.
:mech2:
y r u so mad bre?
:withstupid:
Ross, just gtfo out of the thread. You don't understand how much less of an experience it is for us.
And then they get voted out, unlike a dedicated server with AWOL admins.Quote:
Originally Posted by sdavis117
Doesn't really make much of a difference...?Quote:
Originally Posted by sdavis117
ross you dont understand dedi servers are just so ℳℴℯ
i'm sorry i'm so ignorant then!!!
First off, the ability to vote kick someone is a best case scenario. I don't actually know any MM systems with that in place. Second of all, if the admins are AWOL, then the server will most likely be empty. Not only that, but if someone with a bad connection joins a dedi server, he does not ruin the connection of the other players. They all still have fine connections, because they are communicating with the server, not the shit connection kid. He is the only one with a piss poor connection.Quote:
Originally Posted by rossmum
Cooperative and Competitive multiplayer games have different requirements to be fun. Generally, to be fun, a cooperative game needs the maximum allowed players, while competitive multiplayer does not.Quote:
Doesn't really make much of a difference...?
The lack of the ability to ban players is going to kill the game.
It killed H2V.
I doubt they'd leave players with no ability to get rid of laggers or griefers.Quote:
Originally Posted by sdavis117
I think you'll find that a lot of game servers are relatively full while no admins are on. I see it all the time.Quote:
Originally Posted by sdavis117
Yeah, he just warps like mad. I sure do love getting a headshot on a guy only to have him teleport across the map and a magical bullet somehow hit me in the head.Quote:
Originally Posted by sdavis117
It still makes no difference...?Quote:
Originally Posted by sdavis117
im glad. no more gay server rules like NO SHOOTING WHILE RUNNING, NO SHOOTING OUT OF SIGHTS, NO SHOOTING ALL OF THAT IS UNREALISTIC
They took out dedi servers, I doubt they care.Quote:
Originally Posted by rossmum
I'll give you this one, but they generally have a reason to be there.Quote:
I think you'll find that a lot of game servers are relatively full while no admins are on. I see it all the time.
Host>Client. The game will be like that for him, not you. His lag will not effect you. HE IS DICTATED BY THE SERVER, not the other way around. You will shoot at him and it will register correctly, because the server has placed him there. He will be the one who is shot by a magic bullet after being teleported half way across the map.Quote:
Yeah, he just warps like mad. I sure do love getting a headshot on a guy only to have him teleport across the map and a magical bullet somehow hit me in the head.
I described the difference. Different requirements of entertainment require different means to aquire them.Quote:
It still makes no difference...?
http://sa.tweek.us/emots/images/emot-psypop.gifQuote:
Originally Posted by sdavis117
I've seen people rubber-banding around the place in MP games before. If he's desynched badly enough, it fucks up both.Quote:
Originally Posted by sdavis117
What difference? So what if it doesn't need a full server? Who said matchmaking is required by law to fill a server right up?Quote:
Originally Posted by sdavis117
I reckon this was a mistake by the guy. An interview in shacknews less than a month ago said the opposite:
Link: http://www.shacknews.com/featuredarticle.x?id=1200Quote:
Shack: By the way, have you changed the way multiplayer games function on the PC at all?
Robert Bowling: PC will be the same as it always was.
Which has been updated to fucking us over.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jelly
You really think Infinity Ward would take the time and effort to replace a perfectly good system with a not so good one for the sake of the customer? Bullshit. They did it because Activision wants to curb piracy, even at the expense of the customer.Quote:
Originally Posted by rossmum
Then either it is a crappy dedi, you are also lagging, or he is about to get disconnected automatically if it is that bad. I have never experienced that in dedi servers, only Halo 3 MM.Quote:
I've seen people rubber-banding around the place in MP games before. If he's desynched badly enough, it fucks up both.
Noone. Comparing L4D to MW2 is like saying that a racing wheel should be good to play Halo PC with if it is good to play a racing game with. L4D and MW2 may be in the same genre, but they are in completely different sub-genres.Quote:
What difference? So what if it doesn't need a full server? Who said matchmaking is required by law to fill a server right up?
You realize it'll be a max of somewhere around ~14 players like the xbox if there is matchmaking ??
later.
I doubt Infinity Ward would bring the number of players on a server to that amount. Wait for the IWNet and we'll see.
Edit:http://shuntyard.blogspot.com/2009/1...e-getting.htmlQuote:
Originally Posted by rossmum
Hop off our dicks, Ross. Seriously, "a few relatively pointless online features?" A dedicated server is arguably the most important feature of online play next to the balance of the gameplay. How many times do we need to tell you that L4D is nothing like Call of Duty?
Another though has come to my mind. What if this so called Matchmaking service allows us to play with console players? I thought about it once I heard about there being Prestige in the PC version as well. I dunno, it just kinda makes a connection to the consoles because Prestige wasn't in the MW1 PC multiplayer, nor did we need it. This may mean nothing at all, as well.
Ever noticed how games with dedicated servers, and other legitimate pc gaming aspects have lived around, FOREVER (TFC, CS 1.6, etc)
Yet games without them have failed miserably? (H2v)
I agree that the replacement of dedicated servers, replacement with matchmaking and no mod support will kill the PC version and it's a very good thing that PC gamers are taking a stand against the decision.
However, the publishers are in it for the money and PC sales make a small minority in sales compared to console sales. Why bother spending extra time and resources on implementing extra features when it won't have any financial benefit. They just want the game on the shelves as soon as possible so they can make a greater profit. Console gamers aren't going to complain and since they make up the vast majority there's no point in appealing to the few PC gamers.
As much as I wish they would fix their game, I'm pretty sure it's not going to happen. I wasn't really interested in the game from the get-go. The first MW had a very enjoyable single player but I got bored with the multiplayer pretty early on. I'm looking forward to Bad Company 2 more because it's a more unpredictable and open multiplayer experience.
Call of Duty 4 PC is the second most fucking played game(according to xfire at at least), second to WoW. IW has a huge base in the PC community, fucking them over like this is an absolute stupid move, and even if it doesn't affect them much financially, it sure as hell flushes a lot of their rep down the toilet.
That's not even a remotely fair comparison. H2V had a lot of other glaring flaws that were utterly unrelated to the online component.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pyong Kawaguchi
Keep in mind that X-Fire stats only track what people are playing while they're on X-Fire.Quote:
Originally Posted by ODX
Does that mean they'll make no effort to make the new system user-friendly? Shit, I wish I had your insight into the industry.Quote:
Originally Posted by sdavis117
No, no, and only on occasion.Quote:
Originally Posted by sdavis117
We're talking about the fucking multiplayer system, not the gameplay. The two are entirely separate entities. The fact one's a co-op zombie shooter and the other's a twitch shooter makes no difference at all in this case.Quote:
Originally Posted by sdavis117
IT'S STILL NOT RELEVANT WHEN DISCUSSING THE METHOD OF SETTING UP A GAME. Jesus Christ.Quote:
Originally Posted by Amit
Cross-platform compatibility has been used to try and entice gamers for years. If they were going to have it, I would think it would have been announced earlier.Quote:
Originally Posted by sdavis117
At the end of the day, you're all taking this way the fuck too seriously. You can argue all you like that MP is more important than the story - since we seem to now be sniping at each other at every opportunity, I won't let one slip - I'd imagine those of you planning to boycott the game over this are the ones who have trouble following a storyline or who would rather play CSS than something which takes actual brainpower. That's cool, it takes all sorts after all, but it's still a stupid move. I shouldn't even have to point out how incredibly fucking dumb it is to immediately cancel a pre-order before any actual official details have been released. I sincerely hope there's some kind of measure which stops people who have cancelled a pre-order from ordering it again. Perhaps that'll teach you lot to calm the fuck down and wait before you start crying and threatening never to pay for another IW game ever again.
Your friends will buy the game, tell you how good it is, and you'll eventually buy it.
I don't see why they couldn't have had both. I think substituting Matchmaking for a server browser is shit. However, having both Matchmaking AND a server browser is perfect.
They should have used matchmaking for the official levels and ranks, and made the server browsers for casual games. You need to earn your rank through IWnet, but you can have fun like now in all the dedis.
But they probably saw through that because Activision is too dumb and greedy to support the community and platform that even made the game a success. Had it not been for the PC gamers, it wouldn't have made it to Call of Duty 2. Fuck you Activision.
Don't throw me into that bin. I haven't pre-ordered anything in my life except for Lord of the Rings Online. I didn't create drama over it, somebody else did. The rest of you need to calm the fuck down as Ross has said many times.
Don't throw me into the flight simmer bin, then. Sure I played them exclusively until I was 12 and enjoy them thoroughly to this day, but I've diversified considerably. I play anything which takes a good measure of patience, skill, and thought.
I do hope none of you tell me you have huge social lives and have more important things to do than game if you complain about there being a matchmaking system not involving windows live?
I just visited this thread again. What the fuck?
Stop crying and wait until 11/10/09, jesus christ.
Well if they had such big social lives they wouldnt be such post whores.:allears:Quote:
Originally Posted by Rosco
But yeah, im not too fussed about the server broswer although i am slightly suprised i guess thats what you get for a game being ported from console to pc.:smith:
COD is gay, play a good game like Halo.
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Originally Posted by paladin
I meant Halo 3
I got banned from Moosifer's servers for calling him out on whining about the 3P app...Quote:
Originally Posted by jcap
dotQuote:
Originally Posted by paladin
He's a total dumbfuck though, that's common knowledgeQuote:
Originally Posted by t3h m00kz
Hey rossmum IW started caring about Multiplayer after CoD2 therefore it's not primarily a SP game sorry :(Quote:
Originally Posted by rossmum
However the story rapes and therefore I couldnt agree more you shouldnt buy this game for the MP.
http://gameinformer.com/b/news/archi...-response.aspx
So remove it entirely? Sounds great. After all, most people who play PC games are just like those guys in the ads that play with Madcatz controllers! They wouldn't spend all that money to have customization or any bullshit like that.Quote:
Originally Posted by a dipshit
But the Dumbest Comment of the Year goes to:Yeah, seriously. Who wants to make their game any deeper? I don't know about you, but I want to play the same shit over and over again until my eyes bleed. TF2 made a HUGE mistake by allowing custom maps, it's not like anyone plays those maps anyway.Quote:
Originally Posted by a knobgobbler
We got our first shipment of the prestige edition in our inventory today!!! WOOP WOOP I am organizing a hide and seek in the store for all my employees when we close. Pics will be posted along with the new X3
Infinity Ward have apparently forgotten that it's the PC gamers who gave them their start. Show a little more respect please :maddowns:
It's obvious that Jason West and Vince Zampella are incompetent and should be replaced with someone who is actually in touch with the Call of Duty series. Their actions have hurt the image of the Call of Duty series and have caused a significant loss of sales, hurting the company. We know what we want. We don't need you two telling us what we want.
Dissecting their response, you can see it's filled with bullshit.
The player experience was made of the mods and servers - that's what makes PC games unique and above console versions. The fans who you are attempting to please are the ones who are up in arms regarding this decision. The fans are the ones who have played Call of Duty 1, 2, 4, and 5 on the PC with the mods and dedicated servers. Fans were already "pleased" with what we had. Next time, before pulling a stupid move, ask the community what WE THINK.Quote:
"We're just prioritizing the player experience above the modders and the tuners." [...] "We thought maybe it would be cool if the fans could play the game."
If you couldn't keep the cheaters out of servers with a global banlist, what makes you think you can keep them out of matchmaking? Use VAC on dedicated servers, just like Valve's multiplayer games, and ban all cheaters from multiplayer. Way to make another lame-ass excuse with no reasoning or logic behind it.Quote:
He points toward the mounting feedback IW has received from PC fans of Modern Warfare who couldn't find a decent server to play on between all of the cheaters
Really? Concerns? Obviously if you were "concerned" for the PC community, you would have left well enough alone.Quote:
IW says that gameplay concerns for the majority of MW2 players are the overriding reasons for the decision
We lost mods and dedicated servers. That's pretty much the entire COD multiplayer experience. The casual and moderate fans choose dedicated servers over matchmaking. Casual gameplay is designed for servers because you can join and leave at your own leisure. There's no deserting the party matchmaking provided you with if you choose to drop out after a few minutes and find a better map or server. I know because I am a casual gamer. I prefer Halo PC's dedicated servers over Halo 3's matchmaking system, even in social games. I own COD4 on both Xbox and PC. However, I never played one single multiplayer match on the Xbox because I prefer dedicated servers and the other advantages mods bring to the game.Quote:
West and Zampella hammer the point that hardcore PC players lose very little to this change relative to the returns that casual to moderate fans will see.
Gee, you sure says that like it's nothing. Well, all you're losing is a couple million dollars. <:iamafag:~Quote:
"all they lose is the ability to customize the game on a deeper level with mods and such"
What you should have done is incorporated both. Make matchmaking for official ranks, and have dedicated servers like in prior games.
Hopefully Treyarch will make the next decent Call of Duty game.
I don't buy those games any more. Not worth my time.
Ouch. I think that statement might be just a bit too harsh considering that no one's even tried this yet..Quote:
Originally Posted by jcap
This is as bad as Blizzard not allowing LAN in their upcoming SC2.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pooky
Which, again, no one's tried that yet either.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dwood
When can we expect these pics?Quote:
Originally Posted by Trulife8342
Ross from what i've seen you do not benefit from dedicated servers, it's not your style of play so it's hard for you to understand what it's like for people that rely on them for their style of play.
you dont get what this does for the vast majority of the pc gaming community.
Last thing i want is another Precedent which will diminish existing features.
He may not but i used to play pc FPS alot and i certainly don't feel too bad about the whole P2P connection idea.Quote:
Originally Posted by ßðÐŻÍ££å
However the browser thing im not too keen on but again i can see the point.
Their probably worried most people wont bother with matchmaking if theres servers they can join for instant notification of users.
I wish companies would get the idea to include more features instead of less into the free apps that go with their games.Quote:
Originally Posted by ßðÐŻÍ££å
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Originally Posted by =sw=warlord
Because servers are better than matchmaking.
I could have gotten CoD4 for the 360. Perfectly new, never even opened, but still put in the new games section. $10 cheaper than the PC version. All of my (real life) friends own the 360 version, none own the PC one. With my PC, the 360 one would have looked better. But I chose the PC version. Why? For the dedicated servers (and mouse aiming). I have never really enjoyed matchmaking. I chose the PC version because Dedicated servers trumped all of the advantages of the 360 version.
And now IW has fucked me in the ass.
Personaly i dont really care about server browsers as there are some servers out there that are worse than some P2P connections atleast with P2P the game searches for the best host.Quote:
Originally Posted by sdavis117
And with server browsers you can find the best host for yourself, probably with more success than P2P Matchmaking Systems.Quote:
Originally Posted by =sw=warlord
Yes, but I was just pointing out that you CAN ban on H2V, in contrast to what Jcap said about the game.Quote:
Originally Posted by rossmum
Therefore one can conclude that H2V is a better port than MW2. :v:
CONGRATS ON ACHIEVING A NEW LOW INFINITY WARD :downsdance:
I actually didn't hate H2V as a game too much, I just thought the limited modding, shit UI and controller advantage was fucking gay. Aside from that it wasn't too bad...
This though. Wow.
It's a shame but to me it seems like PC gaming is spiraling the drain at this point. In a related story, has anyone noticed how terrible the controls for Rainbow Six Vegas for the PC are? Picked it up for 6 bucks, not impressed at all. You HOLD the reload button to toggle a menu to enable burst fire mode and silencers and to pick up weapons, they put NO EFFORT into allowing the player to bind those to anything else. WHAT THE HELL
These next-gen consoles and game companies can honestly go fuck themselves. They're milking every cent they can out of consoles and saying "fuck the PC gamers."
At least Epic and Valve still have my respect so far...
I just decided to not buy MW2. I can't wait to see how poorly it sells on the PC.
Activision < H2V
:golfclap:
On another note I'm sure there will be a cracked dedicated server + server browser hack within 3 days of release.
I'm not buying it until Infinity Ward, a company which started on the PC, starts appreciating their roots.
You don't thank PC gamers by taking away the very thing that makes PC gaming great and then telling us we don't know what we want.
I don't think it's spiraling the drain (read: PC gaming will never die, I won't let it:smith:) but it's painfully obvious that many developers simply don't care.Quote:
It's a shame but to me it seems like PC gaming is spiraling the drain at this point.
e: In a way, I kinda feel bad for Infinity Ward because I know they put a lot into IWNet...but on the flip side I don't see why they have this idea that trying to revolutionize a tried and true decade-old system is a good idea.
As long as there are modders PC games will never die.
^
Truth.
Good. Those of us with enough maturity not to get mad over games will be able to enjoy it without the likes of you, then.Quote:
Originally Posted by Inferno
I'm still buying it. I loved MW's story and MW2's looks equally as good, if not better. I probably will play it online, and you know what? I don't give a toss how. It's not like there were any good mods for MW anyway, really.
I honestly can't believe you're all still getting mad over this. Well, your loss, my gain. I'll enjoy telling you all how good it is, that's for sure. I also find it hilarious how I'm copping shit from you kids because I dared to speak out against your really mature and rational decision to boycott the game. Thanks for proving my point.
I didn't realize defending a hobby was an immature thing to do. You're acting like we think this is the end of the world. It's a stupid decision by a developer, and it's perfectly reasonable for those annoyed by it to take a stand. Especially when said developer is trying to tell us that THEY know what is best, and not us.Quote:
Originally Posted by rossmum
It's not necessarily that I'm boycotting the game - it's that the game no longer has the value that puts it above the other games in the series and makes it worth buying.
Several of you are behaving like it's the end of the world.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jean-Luc
LET ME TELL YOU ABOUT PC GAMING,
And it would appear to me like you're confusing "indignant rage" with "the sky is falling." Dedicated servers are a staple of PC gaming, and for most people it's a major advantage over console gaming. To announce that it won't be in one of the most anticipated games of the year a mere three weeks before release is a strange and disturbing move. Even more so if other developers start following suit.Quote:
Originally Posted by rossmum
The 'indignant rage' is both premature and overkill. It's exactly the kind of behaviour exhibited by the HAH morons, the L4D2 boycotters, and various other groups who I'm sure we all consider to be fucking retards. Cool it and wait, it might turn out better than if they'd left a server browser in.
And you know what? Matchmaking didn't hurt L4D. Don't bother brining up the difference in sub-genre strawman, because it doesn't matter worth a damn.
Maybe it's just a side effect of me being in an absolutely shithouse mood (news-related), but I'm beginning to find the constant parroting of OH GOD THEY'RE DESTROYING PC GAMING extremely irritating.
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Originally Posted by rossmum
Exactly. Why buy it if they idiotically remove a important feature from the game?Quote:
Originally Posted by jcap
It's like taking custom game types out of halo or removing online co-op from left 4 dead.
And even if this has been said it needs to be said again. If I wanted a terrible matchmaking system that only runs stock game types and pairs me up with people I don't like or care to play with, I'd go play on the console.
edit-
Is there still LAN?
This at least I can agree with, Halo 3's matchmaking seems to always make the host the laggiest motherfucker possible.Quote:
Originally Posted by sdavis117
L4D's finds great servers for me. It depends on how well-made the service is.
While the quality is a factor, again, Left 4 Dead is a much smaller game than Halo 3 or Call of Duty. None of the servers in L4D are trying to keep track of 16-55 people running around.Quote:
Originally Posted by rossmum
^ jesus christ.
welp,Quote:
Originally Posted by jcap
You're not funny. Stop trying.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pyong Kawaguchi
READ THIS YOU RETARDS http://www.fourzerotwo.com/?p=745
lmao pyong you retard i posted that image ironically and you unironically use it. get banned mother fucker
I read the comments mostly :downs: good stuff.Quote:
Originally Posted by rossmum
scuze me who are you with your 34 posts and unbelievable rep? I don't believe we've metQuote:
Originally Posted by Kolobus
Will you shower me in your cum?
let me run it by my superiors
let me file that under "who gives a shit"
yeah who gives a shit let's just fuck big guy.
:mech2:
Also on a more related note, apparently the results from http://www.whatdoestheinternetthink.net/ shot from 99% positive to 95% negative on Modern Warfare 2. I don't think I've seen a bitch so flipped. ever.
:ross:
gas the internetQuote:
Originally Posted by t3h m00kz
Oh boy it sucks just as bad as I expected! :neckbeard:Quote:
Originally Posted by rossmum
Yeah, that was posted on the IW forums early yesterday. It just hurt them even more because it proves they don't know what the fuck they are doing and they're just trying to make lame-ass excuses.