So I heard Obama is now "One of the boys" :awesome:

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Originally Posted by SnaFuBAR

sup extended executive powers.

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Afghan war maybe not Iraqi though.

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Originally Posted by Limited

Considering Bin Laden isnt even in Afghanistan him getting killing/captured in the country has a 0% of success.

Also, considering "war on terror" started in Afghanistan, and was one of the main reasons you guys moved on to Iraq.

I dont blame you all for your actions, considering your country is renowned for having appalling foreign policy.

Bush has been out of office for less than a month and being are already using him as a scapegoat, you do realise that its not only up to Bush to give the order? It has to go through congress too.

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It doesn't matter if Bin Laden is in Afghanistan. We went to war there, we helped them form their own government, we need to do our part to ensure the government can survive until it's independent. If we let it go to rot, then what was the point if it's going to end up like before or worse?

What does it matter about Iraq? It was a mistake, but I fail to see what your implying it has to do with the war in Afghanistan.

Just because Bush is being used as a scapegoat, doesn't mean he's not at fault for some things which happened. Things may not be up to Bush, but he's a major factor into what does happen and what is sent to Congress. His administration fucked up. You can't shove it under the rug, you have to set things right again.

while i agree with you Masterz
about the Afghanistan thing
there's not much we can do to help if they don't want us there

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Originally Posted by Huero

while i agree with you Masterz
about the Afghanistan thing
there's not much we can do to help if they don't want us there

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That's exactly what people said (myself included) about Iraq, which has been undeniably been getting better. I absolutely hate that we're involved in two wars at once, but especially since we've managed to prevent Iraq from shitting on itself and dying I think we have a responsibility to see things through. Also, I'm pretty sure that unlike in Iraq, people don't want us to leave so much.

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Originally Posted by teh lag

That's exactly what people said (myself included) about Iraq, which has been undeniably been getting better. I absolutely hate that we're involved in two wars at once, but especially since we've managed to prevent Iraq from shitting on itself and dying I think we have a responsibility to see things through. Also, I'm pretty sure that unlike in Iraq, people don't want us to leave so much.

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It's a shock to the system. Imagine if some other country came over to where you lived quite contently and started a coup? Of course you would be against it. But then after the dust settles, everything is better for nearly everyone? Then how would you feel?

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Originally Posted by teh lag

That's exactly what people said (myself included) about Iraq, which has been undeniably been getting better. I absolutely hate that we're involved in two wars at once, but especially since we've managed to prevent Iraq from shitting on itself and dying I think we have a responsibility to see things through. Also, I'm pretty sure that unlike in Iraq, people don't want us to leave so much.

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Yeah, but we got much better results out of negotiating with the tribal and militia leaders than we did with just deploying more troops. Considering our military likes to brag about how it can hit insects from orbit or whatever, I think it ought to be understood that we could achieve similar effects with a much smaller ground presence.

Not to mention the lack of sustainability and gruesome ethics of the whole venture.

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Originally Posted by DaneO'Roo

http://www.earthtimes.org/articles/s...--summary.html

Obama to send 15000 troops into Afghanistan.




I hate to say I told you all so, but it's true. This is ultimate proof that he really has no control over what happens. If McCain had won, this would still be happening.

If he can bend over to something like this, he can bend over to anything.



cool story short:

Yes, you are fucked.

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he never ever concealed his intentions of going into Afghanistan mate.
ever.

he still wants out of Iraq, and now where at least not going into IRAN...
he's not as bad as ya think, ideally we shouldnt be in afghanistan either but it's better then having fucking 3 wars at the same time.

you didnt tell us shit, because we already fucking knew it.

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Originally Posted by Mass

Yeah, but we got much better results out of negotiating with the tribal and militia leaders than we did with just deploying more troops. Considering our military likes to brag about how it can hit insects from orbit or whatever, I think it ought to be understood that we could achieve similar effects with a much smaller ground presence.

Not to mention the lack of sustainability and gruesome ethics of the whole venture.

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Sadam wouldn't negotiate, nor would the Taliban when we tried.

Also polar, it's not fair to ask how we would feel if another nation invaded our country and told us how to govern ourselves. Our government doesn't encourage people to throw acid in the faces of little girls, or stone and hang women in public. If I lived in that country, I would welcome American forces.

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Originally Posted by DaneO'Roo

http://www.earthtimes.org/articles/s...--summary.html

Obama to send 15000 troops into Afghanistan.




I hate to say I told you all so, but it's true. This is ultimate proof that he really has no control over what happens. If McCain had won, this would still be happening.

If he can bend over to something like this, he can bend over to anything.



cool story short:

Yes, you are fucked.

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Afghanistan is actually worth it, and truth be told I'd rather be sent there than Iraq. At least we know (for the most part) who we're fighting, the Taliban and their lot; that and we have a legit reason for still being there. Iraq should be able to look after itself without the US and its allies hanging around like a bad smell, but Afghanistan is still vulnerable.

e/ just thought I'd remind everyone that Afghanistan has sweet bugger all by way of oil, so it's not like that played any part whatsoever in that war

e2/ the Afghans did want us there, so I dunno where you got that idea from, Huero. The only ones they were apprehensive about were the Brits, understandably (colonial wars and all that), but once they realised they were there to help they got over it.

If anyone's in the market for a good read on what the place was like when they first went in, check out Bloody Heroes by Damien Lewis. Really puts things in perspective.

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Originally Posted by Masterz1337

Sadam wouldn't negotiate, nor would the Taliban when we tried.

Also polar, it's not fair to ask how we would feel if another nation invaded our country and told us how to govern ourselves. Our government doesn't encourage people to throw acid in the faces of little girls, or stone and hang women in public. If I lived in that country, I would welcome American forces.

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culture's different
that's normal to them
the only reason they would care is outer exposure anyway, if they were exposed to something such as the american culture