Squad-Based Gameplay

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December 19th, 2009, 07:53 PM
Dwood

Squad-Based Gameplay

This is going to be a thread for the detailing of my project to bring a more squad-like game play into halo:

http://www.xfire.com/video/1be987/

I managed to grab that video pretty luckily imho. Sapien keeps crashing telling me that the player weapon deleted unexpectadly.

Why the flashlight? b/c I have no other alternative for issuing commands.
December 19th, 2009, 08:01 PM
Con

Re: Squad-Based Gameplay

That's cool, is there any way to point at a location and say "go there"?
December 19th, 2009, 08:07 PM
Dwood

Re: Squad-Based Gameplay

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Originally Posted by Con

That's cool, is there any way to point at a location and say "go there"?

I'm planning on having a flank and an advance ahead mode.

In fact, the framework for it's all ready. I just need to script it in
December 19th, 2009, 08:10 PM
Higuy

Re: Squad-Based Gameplay

You should make some sort of HUD thing to maybe show how many AI are following you, and what they're health is.
December 19th, 2009, 08:14 PM
Dwood

Re: Squad-Based Gameplay

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Originally Posted by higuy

You should make some sort of HUD thing to maybe show how many AI are following you, and what they're health is.

I wouldn't know how to do that without open sauce tbh. And even then, unless someone volunteers to help me with open sauce i'd be lost lol.
December 19th, 2009, 08:21 PM
Higuy

Re: Squad-Based Gameplay

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Originally Posted by Dwood

I wouldn't know how to do that without open sauce tbh. And even then, unless someone volunteers to help me with open sauce i'd be lost lol.

You can do it with the vehicle, however, thats a vehicle. If someone knew how to do it without open suace, that would be cool. or at least have how many AI are following you on the side.
December 19th, 2009, 08:35 PM
Skarma

Re: Squad-Based Gameplay

I remember you talking about this a while ago, really like this idea, especially RTS. Once I get OS updated and boost lib. installed, I'll help you out with the design and implementation. FUN :downs:
December 19th, 2009, 08:41 PM
Dwood

Re: Squad-Based Gameplay

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Originally Posted by Skarma

I remember you talking about this a while ago, really like this idea, especially RTS. Once I get OS updated and boost lib. installed, I'll help you out with the design and implementation. FUN :downs:

You make me very happy. :neckbeard:
December 19th, 2009, 10:33 PM
Dwood

Re: Squad-Based Gameplay

Something's wrong with my keyboard ingame (I think some program is hijacking the keyboard priority) so I give you guys this:

http://www.xfire.com/video/1beb6e/

I need better tags. D:

E: I managed to record a vidja without my keyboard screwing with me. Just check my xfire profile for it when it's up (about 3 minutes from this edit)
December 19th, 2009, 11:58 PM
Con

Re: Squad-Based Gameplay

How do they know which direction is advance or retreat?
December 20th, 2009, 12:23 AM
Heathen

Re: Squad-Based Gameplay

"await commands"

not "await for commands"
December 20th, 2009, 01:24 AM
Advancebo

Re: Squad-Based Gameplay

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Originally Posted by Con

How do they know which direction is advance or retreat?

He probably toggles the ai_follow_player command on an off via flashlight. They'll just follow the player into the designated squads and work in those.
December 20th, 2009, 01:30 AM
Con

Re: Squad-Based Gameplay

What I mean is if you tell the AI to advance incrementally in front of the player then how do they know where that is?

edit:
I guess he has a bunch of squads set up sequentially and the script says for each one: "if you're told to move forward, advance to the next squad in the sequence."
December 20th, 2009, 06:53 AM
Dwood

Re: Squad-Based Gameplay

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Originally Posted by Heathen

"await commands"

not "await for commands"

Yeah I know. :P Was too lazy to fix that.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Con

What I mean is if you tell the AI to advance incrementally in front of the player then how do they know where that is?

edit:
I guess he has a bunch of squads set up sequentially and the script says for each one: "if you're told to move forward, advance to the next squad in the sequence."

Basically. I can set up a method to get the ai to move ahead of the player but currently the method I have for ai advancing is by telling where the ai are and moving them ahead. I guess they don't move ahead of the player per se but rather they themselves move ahead incrementally. Requires a fairly... linear gameplay at the moment as I don't know how much script space I can use up.

Most of the lines of script, are not even continuous, for efficiency. There's only 3 continuous scripts.

Here's a link to my vid for those who missed it- http://www.xfire.com/video/1bebaa/
December 20th, 2009, 10:13 AM
Limited

Re: Squad-Based Gameplay

Hmm nice work. What happens if you kill the AI so much, they start attacking you. Will they still follow you after that?
December 20th, 2009, 02:24 PM
Lateksi

Re: Squad-Based Gameplay

"Master Chief is out of control! We have to stop hi---yes, Master Chief! We do as you say!"
December 20th, 2009, 04:03 PM
Dwood

Re: Squad-Based Gameplay

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Originally Posted by Limited

Hmm nice work. What happens if you kill the AI so much, they start attacking you. Will they still follow you after that?

Uh Yeah... i'm pretty sure there isn't a way to check on that in script. If so, I would make them invincible and hunt you down or something.
December 20th, 2009, 04:26 PM
Limited

Re: Squad-Based Gameplay

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Originally Posted by Dwood

Uh Yeah... i'm pretty sure there isn't a way to check on that in script. If so, I would make them invincible and hunt you down or something.

Cant you just have a room full of AI, you kill them all, then later in level you have this squad based thing and see what happens.
December 20th, 2009, 04:36 PM
Dwood

Re: Squad-Based Gameplay

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Originally Posted by Limited

Cant you just have a room full of AI, you kill them all, then later in level you have this squad based thing and see what happens.

Yeah but atm my sapien is crashing any time I try to manipulate the tags. everything you see done right now was set up prior to one of the tags getting corrupted. :smith: I have no idea what's causing the problem right now so :v:
December 20th, 2009, 10:12 PM
CodeBrain

Re: Squad-Based Gameplay

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Originally Posted by Dwood

Everything you see done right now was set up prior to one of the tags getting corrupted. :smith: I have no idea what's causing the problem right now so :v:

That's exactly whats happening with my Phantom tags. I changed one thing in them, and Halo exceptions when the vehicle loads.

Now, the peculiar thing is that if I load the tag in Sapien, it works perfectly fine. No problems, no crashes, it just works.

Only when it is loaded in Halo (the actual executable) it exceptions when the phantom gets loaded.

I cannot figure out what tag is causing this. It makes me sad :(
December 20th, 2009, 10:21 PM
Good_Apollo

Re: Squad-Based Gameplay

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Originally Posted by Dwood

Yeah I know. :P Was too lazy to fix that.

Basically. I can set up a method to get the ai to move ahead of the player but currently the method I have for ai advancing is by telling where the ai are and moving them ahead. I guess they don't move ahead of the player per se but rather they themselves move ahead incrementally. Requires a fairly... linear gameplay at the moment as I don't know how much script space I can use up.

Most of the lines of script, are not even continuous, for efficiency. There's only 3 continuous scripts.

Here's a link to my vid for those who missed it- http://www.xfire.com/video/1bebaa/

If it's going to be so linear, what gameplay point is there to having squad commands?

Aside from experimentation of course...
December 20th, 2009, 10:25 PM
Skarma

Re: Squad-Based Gameplay

Try and undo the last few steps you guys did. Then step by step try to reproduce the bug. It's probably in how the map is compiled, some null pointer or something. I wish Halo had better error checking / reporting.

I think OS will really push this project forward. I'm hoping to have OS updated and out by xmas.

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Originally Posted by Good_Apollo

If it's going to be so linear, what gameplay point is there to having squad commands?

Aside from experimentation of course...

I suggested to him to write up design documentation or some visual models. Hopefully it is taken seriously
December 21st, 2009, 01:44 PM
Dwood

Re: Squad-Based Gameplay

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Originally Posted by Skarma

I suggested to him to write up design documentation or some visual models. Hopefully it is taken seriously

I fixed the problem (was a corrupted AR. now I need a new one. :\)

I have a visual model of what I was describing last night. If you're on xfire tonight I'll send the pic then.

E: I'm going on vacation soon so this probably won't be updated however I'm going to try and see how much script I can add to a map before it over loads... If there's a MASSIVE bottleneck I'm def going with skarma on os but we'll see what happens first (probably not until jan will I have a decision)