The HCEM Team

[Jean-Luc]

Masterz, stop turning this into a Modacity vs. Halomaps thread. We don't need that.

[Roostervier]

Not to mention it bore no relevance to what he said at all.

[Masterz1337]

The problem with your idea is twofold.

1) It's not original
2) It's never succeeded.

If you're not going to be innovative, and yet do something that has a chance of success, then this project is doomed to failure. Hate to say it, but it's true.

E: And really, unless you're designing the map to end all maps, with impeccable gameplay, then believe me, this won't revive CE.

You don't need good maps to revive CE, or give it a boost. The initial H2 CE maps, SPV1, Hugeass, Coldsnap, and Extinction have all brought waves of players into the game and kept them interested. Regardless what you feel about the maps, if you're talking about helping revive the game, there's a number of ways that can be done, and it doesn't have to be the map to end all maps.

Edit: Codebrain brought it up, and ALL of us continued the subject. Since Codebrain retracted part of his post, I'll drop it, but it's really foolish to just assume the talent in the meat of the community is here.

[Sel]

Not to mention it bore no relevance to what he said at all.

This.

I've been sitting here for the past hour, working on a history summative, while discussing with a few people what you're going on about here, and none of us are really able to figure out what your point is..

[CodeBrain]

You don't need good maps to revive CE, or give it a boost. The initial H2 CE maps, SPV1, Hugeass, Coldsnap, and Extinction have all brought waves of players into the game and kept them interested. Regardless what you feel about the maps, if you're talking about helping revive the game, there's a number of ways that can be done, and it doesn't have to be the map to end all maps.

This.

Why is it that every map has to be good? Why does it always have to have this little thing, or that. Why does it have to be a awesome mapper that does it.

Countless amount of people come here from Halomaps, trying to improve there skills. What they get is a "Wow, your model sucks." No crit, just plain out flame. Seriously, thats the worst demotivator ever.

Not only that, Halomaps, although a bit younger than the so-called "community" here is, has a lot more ideas brewing around. CMT, H3MT (H3T), and Zteam arent the only teams out there you know.

Just because they aren't the above teams, doesnt mean they suck. If you were to help them get better, instead of out-right flaming them as soon as they walk in, Modacity would have mods coming at a fast pace. It doesnt have to be good, it can be a start.

Now, back to the team.

I just finished giving the team my IM accounts, so they will be in contact when the time comes.

For now it is waiting to see if anymore will join.

That is all.

CodeBrain

[SnaFuBAR]

E: ugh don't want to inflame the situation

CE isn't going to be revived. It's too old, the tools are too unfriendly to new users, the entire game is ridiculously low resolution, it's not supported.

Unless you're going to do a series of maps that look way better than halo and don't play like halo, you won't even boost the user base.

[Jean-Luc]

Countless amount of people come here from Halomaps, trying to improve there skills. What they get is a "Wow, your model sucks." No crit, just plain out flame. Seriously, thats the worst demotivator ever. This is what is known as generalizing. Not every experienced member here says that. A lot of the time, people recieve crit, INTERPRET it as "Wow, your model sucks," and don't try to improve.

Not only that, Halomaps, although a bit younger than the so-called "community" here is, has a lot more ideas brewing around. CMT, H3MT (H3T), and Zteam arent the only teams out there you know. I don't give a flying fuck if Halomaps has more ideas brewing. Unless I see them implemented, then they stay ideas, and just having an idea doesn't cut it.

Just because they aren't the above teams, doesnt mean they suck. If you were to help them get better, instead of out-right flaming them as soon as they walk in, Modacity would have mods coming at a fast pace. It doesnt have to be good, it can be a start. Two things wrong here. First off, it is not an obligation of more experienced members to help newbies. While I am not a CE mapper, I have created many Halo renders, and I can't tell you how annoying it is to have countless people yapping about how I should help them improve their own work. There is nothing wrong with learning how to do it yourself. Most of my stuff is self-taught. Secondly, Halo CE is so friggin old at this point (as Snaf said), that many people have moved onto newer games, including much of CE's playerbase.

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[Sel]

I would rep you if I could.

You just hit the nail right on the head.

[CodeBrain]

*insert bold post here*

Jean, look at Masterz pictures. Those pictures PROVE that they are more than ideas.

[Jean-Luc]

Don't take my post and summarize it down to one point, then use one bit of information to try and take me down.

Masterz has proved to me that halomaps definitely has some quality members, with some quality material. I won't dispute that. But that does not mean my other arguments are invalidated.