Pardon Our (CMT's) Ignorance.

[Arteen]

so if I disagree with you more than once on the same subject it's harassment?
so if I make statements about me being unhappy with obama more than twice, I'm harassing the president?
Didn't know that..

That's not the situation, though. People have said many times in the threads that CMT should/shouldn't use OS. There's nothing wrong with that. jcap in particular has repeatedly insulted and patronized members of the team, including making a whole new thread to argue with us.

Two sequential downloads for one level. Oh dear god I don't think my pea brain can handle it.

FTFY. We're talking HaloMaps here.

Everyone who goes to this forum will be able to handle it just fine. You're just very optimistic that the novice user will be competent enough and not too intimidated by four extra files when every other map (SP or MP) just requires the single .map file, and that the average user with a passing interest will be interested enough to bother downloading.

You assume that people really want to download this. Sure, some do, but in order to get all those people who might download, the process needs to be easy.

Do people remember the days before YouTube? I used to be a regular at HighImpactHalo. As the webmaster Ducain stated, the more steps it takes a user to view your video, the less people will bother. If the video is on some hosting service and isn't a direct download but requires the user to wait, you will lose viewers. If the file is archived, you will lose viewers. Even with YouTube, someone's more likely to watch an embedded video than follow a link. Dennis also showed similar concerns with OS.

That's basically our situation; we want to attract anyone we can to our mod, so we want the fewest steps possible to play the mod. If it requires extra work, we will lose potential players. If it sounds like it will require extra work, then we will lose potential players.

EDIT:

And just how many people are going to be downloading just one level?

Downloads on HaloMaps:
a10 - 45,406
a30 - 27,698
a50 - 23,283
b30 - 24,001
b40 - 23,237
c10 - 16,953
c20 - 14,730
c40 - 16,770
d20 - 13,719
d40 - 19,387

Many.

[StankBacon]

we want to attract anyone we can to our mod, so we want the fewest steps possible to play the mod. If it requires extra work, we will lose potential players. If it sounds like it will require extra work, then we will lose potential players.

why is that a problem? i really don't understand your guys argument that you want every download possible.. how will that benefit you in any way other than ego boosting as your download counter rises.

i also don't understand why you think everyone that is going to download your mod is a brainless fuck who cant figure out how to extract a few files... even tho that's what they do with the maps themselves.

[TVTyrant]

why is that a problem? i really don't understand your guys argument that you want every download possible.. how will that benefit you in any way other than ego boosting as your download counter rises.

i also don't understand why you think everyone that is going to download your mod is a brainless fuck who cant figure out how to extract a few files... even tho that's what they do with the maps themselves.

I think the issue is bigger than ego. Remember a few months ago when Masterz got all pissed off and announced it wouldnt see release, mostly because everyone was being bitches? Well, thats what their afraid of, is that it will soil the teams name. And beyond that, individual members who could potentially lose a place in this community. Of course, I dont think that would happen at all, but I think thats there point

[jngrow]

Downloads on HaloMaps:
a10 - 45,406
a30 - 27,698
a50 - 23,283
b30 - 24,001
b40 - 23,237
c10 - 16,953
c20 - 14,730
c40 - 16,770
d20 - 13,719
d40 - 19,387

Many.

Wait, how do you know those individuals only downloaded the said map and none others? Unless I misunderstood your point, if it's just about downloading preferences and not "taste".

[Amit]

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Everyone who goes to this forum will be able to handle it just fine. You're just very optimistic that the novice user will be competent enough and not too intimidated by four extra files when every other map (SP or MP) just requires the single .map file, and that the average user with a passing interest will be interested enough to bother downloading.

You assume that people really want to download this. Sure, some do, but in order to get all those people who might download, the process needs to be easy.

Do people remember the days before YouTube? I used to be a regular at HighImpactHalo. As the webmaster Ducain stated, the more steps it takes a user to view your video, the less people will bother. If the video is on some hosting service and isn't a direct download but requires the user to wait, you will lose viewers. If the file is archived, you will lose viewers. Even with YouTube, someone's more likely to watch an embedded video than follow a link. Dennis also showed similar concerns with OS.

That's basically our situation; we want to attract anyone we can to our mod, so we want the fewest steps possible to play the mod. If it requires extra work, we will lose potential players. If it sounds like it will require extra work, then we will lose potential players.

This situation is different from the two ways you stated. Are people really too "afraid" to copy two extra files to the exact same folder that the map is supposed to go in? (Run-on sentence ftw) As if something would cause your computer to stop working entirely. Most people who are capable of downloading the map to begin with will have no trouble solving this. They aren't retards. Give full instructions that are detailed but not technical and they will still be successful in getting the files to go in the correct locations. Also, this isn't like a video where you have to go through multiple links or mirrors. Even if it were, people will still be like holy shit awesome to download it since they probably would have browsed the SP maps section, seen SPV1, downloaded it, jizzed in their pants, will check for more CMT shit, and eventually find out about SPV2. With distributing maps on HaloMaps, you cut out the bullshit. This isn't like the OS files you have to download will be scattered across the internet, it should be included with every map archive.

Losing potential players shouldn't be a problem since the process is so insanely easy, there is no way to fuck it up. The trick is to not make it sound like extra work or like it's easy pie, either. That's what intimidates them. Just say, "Put all files from the archive in the Maps folder and you're done!" That's all you need to do. Assuming the map is in an archive, you'd have to be pretty stupid to know how and where to extract the map file but not know how to extract another file to the same folder. No extra effort is required. Period.

I think the issue is bigger than ego. Remember a few months ago when Masterz got all pissed off and announced it wouldnt see release, mostly because everyone was being bitches? Well, thats what their afraid of, is that it will soil the teams name. And beyond that, individual members who could potentially lose a place in this community. Of course, I dont think that would happen at all, but I think thats there point

Have you seen the state of this community? It's a mess! I'm not sure how you can lose your place if you're a half-decent person and respect the rules and the people. Don't make me laugh. It'll "soil" the team's name just because some half-wits couldn't place a few extra files in the same folder as the maps? That's not ignorance, that's just downright laziness.

[StankBacon]

him being stubborn and making bad/uneducated decisions is whats soiling the teams name.


and as for p0lar, what he said about laying the framework for future cmt maps, thats a excellent idea and i think could work extremely well.

@ arteen saying were talking about halomaps, you'd only have to download "halo cmt" once.

[FRain]

If you're saying the average user can't comprehend downloading 1 big mapfile instead of 10, then I think you need to rework your logic.

Also, what the fuck ever happened to the idea of an installer, it seems Masterz has gone dumbfounded again and dropped that idea, too. Jesus christ, it's like we're trying to tell an 8 year old how not looking both ways is dangerous.

[il Duce Primo]

why is that a problem? i really don't understand your guys argument that you want every download possible.. how will that benefit you in any way other than ego boosting as your download counter rises.

i also don't understand why you think everyone that is going to download your mod is a brainless fuck who cant figure out how to extract a few files... even tho that's what they do with the maps themselves.

I enjoy making content that I know will be enjoyed by others. It would not be as exciting to make this mod if I knew there wasn't going to be others playing. So what if there's a little greed? We made the mod I think we deserve it. Don't try making us look like assholes because we won't make the mod better for a few people on this site.

[StankBacon]

why not make the mod better for everyone?

[BobtheGreatII]

I miss CMT threads with more pictures and less fighting.