The U.S. in Afghanistan

[IceCube]

Wow are you deliberately trying to be a fuckhead or what?

You honestly think we want to go kill people? You think we get off on that?

Tell me, how many soldiers do you actually know? Let me guess - none. Wow. I'm amazing, aren't I? Perhaps I should start a fortune-telling stall at the next regional show...

My dad was. So was my grandfather. So was my father’s friend.

You say the military isn’t only about killing, but really, go look what its doing now. If you tell me there doing scientific research and other crap to help the American people. You are blinded. They are there for money purposes (oil) and are getting killed/killing because they are ordered to. Just because you love tanks and ships and planes so much, doesn’t mean they are right and should be used against humanity because of something called defense and then invasion.

America already failed. It’s that simple. They should have pulled out when they had the chance of not looking like ass’s. But owai, they already do look like that. Because of this war, look at how the prices for things went up. Tell me something, if the military is so good, why can’t the American government and military help there own country out instead of disputing other countries affairs? North Korea to have nuclear capability. Shall they go and invade that too?
My point is, the military does stuff wrong, and has the thick face of not caring. So joining them is like joining a lost cause. J

Hmmm. I dunno. How about all those people they killed and tortured? How about all the minority groups they persecuted? How about the poor fucking villagers who were forced to serve as human shields for them?

How many of you actually have any idea at all what happened there?

How about all those people in US OF A that are killed because of gangs and drug dealers. What about all those Mexicans crossing the boarder? What about all the poor people? You think war is right even if you don’t win? Then you might as well throw money in the air, and have your population be poor and starve. Oh, nvm. America is already doing that. A corrupt government sums it all up.

[kid908]

Hmmm. I dunno. How about all those people they killed and tortured? How about all the minority groups they persecuted? How about the poor fucking villagers who were forced to serve as human shields for them?

How many of you actually have any idea at all what happened there?

How about the many more people that were killed because we interfered? What happened there have happen throughout the world for centuries. Let THEM figure things out and start the revolution then we can aid them, not start it ourselves.

When they figure out a government based on religion isn't going to work out, they'll do something about it. We're doing the samething that was done in the past hundreds and thousands of times before, but instead of offering "salvation," we're offering "freedom."


Why do we keep trying to label one side as "Evil" since WWII? What makes them more evil than say the crusade? One side defends land while the other is conquerring land. If trying to conquer/expanding or defend your land makes you evil, then I guess the entire world is evil.



What works for you will not work for everyone! So don't start a war and justify it as "they wanted it," "they're evil," or "we're defending our freedom." You don't know what they want, they're not evil just because their governing system and judicial system doesn't work like ours and No! You are not defending your freedom. Your freedom isn't in the Middle East.



And finally the same thing is happening in Africa, why isn't it about that instead of the Middle East?

[rossmum]

How about the many more people that were killed because we interfered? What happened there have happen throughout the world for centuries. Let THEM figure things out and start the revolution then we can aid them, not start it ourselves.

Yeah, that kinda wasn't working. See, the Taliban could call in their overseas terrorist buds. The Afghan resistance couldn't.

When they figure out a government based on religion isn't going to work out, they'll do something about it. We're doing the samething that was done in the past hundreds and thousands of times before, but instead of offering "salvation," we're offering "freedom."

Read the above.

Why do we keep trying to label one side as "Evil" since WWII? What makes them more evil than say the crusade? One side defends land while the other is conquerring land. If trying to conquer/expanding or defend your land makes you evil, then I guess the entire world is evil.

I dunno, but if you consider killing and torturing people for not conforming entirely to your beliefs not evil then I think you should probably see a psychologist, and quite soon at that

What works for you will not work for everyone! So don't start a war and justify it as "they wanted it," "they're evil," or "we're defending our freedom." You don't know what they want, they're not evil just because their governing system and judicial system doesn't work like ours and No! You are not defending your freedom. Your freedom isn't in the Middle East.

You kids are fucking idiots! Tell me how many Afghans you know! Tell me what your sources are, since you seem to know so much! A mate of mine's entire extended family had to bail and leave everything they had behind because of the Taliban, and they were the lucky ones. The unlucky ones were stuck in villages where the only people with any sort of free will or right to voice their opinion were the Taliban! I dunno about you, but I find it literally impossible to believe that the people there could find this arrangement favourable. You think they enjoy being forced into following the laws of a bunch of religious extremists?

And finally the same thing is happening in Africa, why isn't it about that instead of the Middle East?

Because Africa wasn't housing the mastermind of the Sept. 11 attacks at the time, do you think?

And one final note, before anyone else decides to bring it up:

THERE IS NO OIL IN AFGHANISTAN. NOT ONE MOTHERFUCKING DROP.


Got it?

[Longshot]

Hey remember way back in 2001 when their friends they were harboring in their country crashed a few planes into buildings and killed 4000 people??

My point exactly.

The occupation of Iraq and Afghanistan was because of weapons of mass destruction and oil - not 9/11. The Bush administration invaded both countries under false pretenses. For fucks sake it's lasted longer than World War 2. The entire war was, and still is, pointless.

By the way, just because they were harboring them in their country doesn't mean every Afghan and Iraqi hates America. Unfortunately, after this war, I fear that will change.

Wake up. They were just a bunch of delusion religious nut jobs.

[rossmum]

Iraq was under false pretences. Afghanistan wasn't. I supported the war right up until Iraq.

Once again, no oil in Afghanistan. Practically the only resource of worth in the country is opium, which is fuck all use to the US. Unless they're after the rusting iron off Soviet tank wrecks, it's not a resource war.

[Kolobus]

sperging

your aspergers is showing

[rossmum]

your aspergers is showing

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my bro...

[kid908]

Yeah, that kinda wasn't working. See, the Taliban could call in their overseas terrorist buds. The Afghan resistance couldn't.

uh yes they can...they're called allies. You won't last as a resistence or nation without allies.

I dunno, but if you consider killing and torturing people for not conforming entirely to your beliefs not evil then I think you should probably see a psychologist, and quite soon at that

Maybe you just have a high standard for "good" or I just have a low standard for "good," but Just stop labeling one side good and the other evil. You think you're doing good by free them and they think they're doing good by defending their government.

You kids are fucking idiots! Tell me how many Afghans you know! Tell me what your sources are, since you seem to know so much! A mate of mine's entire extended family had to bail and leave everything they had behind because of the Taliban, and they were the lucky ones. The unlucky ones were stuck in villages where the only people with any sort of free will or right to voice their opinion were the Taliban! I dunno about you, but I find it literally impossible to believe that the people there could find this arrangement favourable. You think they enjoy being forced into following the laws of a bunch of religious extremists?

And guess what? They don't even complain about the current events there as much as the Americans I know or you for that matter.

Because Africa wasn't housing the mastermind of the Sept. 11 attacks at the time, do you think?

and guess who they're arming and funding/getting funded by in Africa? They aren't exclusively in Afghan, their organization is just as deep in other countries as gangs.

I've also have not seen a single real proof they're behind 9/11. Just our government's word that they were behind it. The word of the government that started an illegal war in Iraq.

And one final note, before anyone else decides to bring it up:

THERE IS NO OIL IN AFGHANISTAN. NOT ONE MOTHERFUCKING DROP.


Got it?

Also as a side note just to bring it up: NOT everything is about oil.


Can this thread be cut into 2 threads seeing how this thread is about joining the military and the reason for or against it and NOT about the ongoing war and the arguement for and against it.

[Kolobus]

i'd like to nominate kid908 for most fitting/appropriate username

[rossmum]

uh yes they can...they're called allies. You won't last as a resistence or nation without allies.

Hmmyes I bet it would be really easy to draw allies to your cause when on one side of you is the country these fucks are based in, and on all other sides are countries which DON'T CARE because they AREN'T AFFECTED.

Jesus, you're dense.

Maybe you just have a high standard for "good" or I just have a low standard for "good," but Just stop labeling one side good and the other evil. You think you're doing good by free them and they think they're doing good by defending their government.

Sorry, what? Who's 'they'? The average villager? Well that's odd, since I don't really see them up in arms about us going in and stomping the Taliban. Oddly enough, most of them seem pretty happy about it. What the hell is wrong with these people?

And guess what? They don't even complain about the current events there as much as the Americans I know or you for that matter.

Yeah complaining sure does get you a long way in a country where free speech is a capital offence, about as far as it is from where you're standing to the nearest ditch in fact!

and guess who they're arming and funding/getting funded by in Africa? They aren't exclusively in Afghan, their organization is just as deep in other countries as gangs.

No fucking shit? The difference is that their leader was in Afghanistan. Their training camps were in Afghanistan. They might be getting funded by other countries, hell, they could even be recruiting in other countries (and they are on both counts), but Afghanistan was the one place they could do literally whatever they liked with no repercussions. Why? Because they basically WERE the 'government'.

I've also have not seen a single real proof they're behind 9/11. Just our government's word that they were behind it. The word of the government that started an illegal war in Iraq.

Dammit, you got me. The ZOG was behind it. I chose the targets. I thought we'd made a convincing enough job of it! holy fuck if you actually believe that you are literally retarded

Also as a side note just to bring it up: NOT everything is about oil.

Yeah. I mean, it could be about terrorist att- oh.

Can this thread be cut into 2 threads seeing how this thread is about joining the military and the reason for or against it and NOT about the ongoing war and the arguement for and against it.

It doesn't need to be cut since if you have even half a brain you'd realise what an idiot you're making of yourself.