super program for HEK?

[NerveBooger]

Last night I installed Norton Internet Security 2010 on my kids computer. The very first thing it did was to check for updates, and immediately began downloading a 57mb update.

I did not like the fact it didn't ask me, or even allow me to cancel the update, however, I have come to dislike the methods, but trust the results.

I trust Norton's products in spite of the fact that it behaves like a virus, adware and malware and makes about 300 entries to the registry.

So, is anyone claiming e3po "hacked" their computer, invaded privacy, used private info for personal gain/use, or had malicious intent? Or did he simply commit a nerd fau pas & failed to disclose or modify the program behavior?

September 2008 . . . long time for holding a grudge - if that's all it is. or maybe it's just a nerdgasmic paranoia rant over unwanted/hidden behavior of a software update procedure?

[Choking Victim]

Last night I installed Norton Internet Security 2010 on my kids computer. The very first thing it did was to check for updates, and immediately began downloading a 57mb update.

I did not like the fact it didn't ask me, or even allow me to cancel the update, however, I have come to dislike the methods, but trust the results.

I trust Norton's products in spite of the fact that it behaves like a virus, adware and malware and makes about 300 entries to the registry.

So, is anyone claiming e3po "hacked" their computer, invaded privacy, used private info for personal gain/use, or had malicious intent? Or did he simply commit a nerd fau pas & failed to disclose or modify the program behavior?

September 2008 . . . long time for holding a grudge - if that's all it is. or maybe it's just a nerdgasmic paranoia rant over unwanted/hidden behavior of a software update procedure?

Who said it's a grudge? Comparing a Corporate product developed by professionals to that of a 3rd party developer that can gain access to your pc is nothing short of ignorant. You know that license agreement you agreed to when you installed Norton? It's not just for show.

He doesn't have my download, that's all i'm saying.

[SnaFuBAR]

Are you seriously going to attempt legitimizing an undisclosed .exe replacement without consent because of a temper tantrum, and attempt to gain access to people's pc's under the guise of showing them "how to play h2v on xp" by comparing them to Norton's FULLY DISCLOSED ANTIVIRUS UPDATE??

Are you being fucking serious or do I need to infract you for trolling?? o.o

[Vicky]

... and makes about 300 entries to the registry.

Gee i must have that, or preferably some pc protection that makes 30,000 entries in the registry to speed it up some more :P
Aparently they still don't know how to protect a pc in a good and simply way.. lmao

For the app, trust it or don't...

[supersniper]

There's one thing that i just dont get.
If prom was so amazing why was it canned. so what it was more than they could chew at the time, but if it really was all that great why wouldn't one of you who actually know what your doing, and know how the code works, (by looking i'm guessing it's in C#) and just make a presentable release. then wouldn't that just shut everybody up.

I know it's a map launcher, i know it's incomparable but what I was sayinb before was that it's something that is getting DONE. that is why people are making a big deal out of it, because they know it will get released, maybe not completed but released.

and that, my friends, is what builds excitement in the community.

[SnaFuBAR]

dude this shit is already released, it's called HEK. this is just an app launcher.

[Choking Victim]

There's one thing that i just dont get.
If prom was so amazing why was it canned. so what it was more than they could chew at the time, but if it really was all that great why wouldn't one of you who actually know what your doing, and know how the code works, (by looking i'm guessing it's in C#) and just make a presentable release. then wouldn't that just shut everybody up.

I know it's a map launcher, i know it's incomparable but what I was sayinb before was that it's something that is getting DONE. that is why people are making a big deal out of it, because they know it will get released, maybe not completed but released.

and that, my friends, is what builds excitement in the community.

I believe the project was written in C. The reason nobody has picked it up to make a presentable release is simply because the source was never released. If your asking why nobody ever started the same project from scratch, you might as well also ask why nobody in the community has coded a new game engine. It's just too big of a project to tackle, especially when 90% of the programmers in this community don't work together.

While e3pO's application is at it's core governed by about 3 lines of code:

            Process proc = new Process();
            proc.StartInfo.FileName = "G:\\Program Files\\Microsoft Games\\Halo Custom Edition\\guerilla.exe";
            proc.Start();

Prometheus has thousands of lines.

[Dwood]

I forget what his name was but someone was trying to get a hold of nick, fix some bugs, and push it out the door. We havent heard from him since september though.

[jcap]

Dear God, this discussion is fucking pathetic.

How did this Prometheus comparison even come about in the first place? These two programs aren't even comparable. The function of the two don't even come close. Just because one was released doesn't make it better than what the potential the unreleased program had.

This app is a launcher. It cannot operate independently without the stock HEK files. It provides a more convenient way of doing things - nothing more, nothing less. It doesn't provide any new features and doesn't even support the unlocked OpenSauce Tool and Guerilla. Hell, from the screenshots it doesn't even look like it provides batch processing/file creation. That said, I think it is nice that everything is in one place and reduces the confusion and time required to do tasks with Tool.

Prometheus was a new HEK. In addition to combining the functionality of all the original HEK tools into one app, it added new features such as IntelliSense for Halo scripting, an undo/revert button, and easier and better object placement in their version of Sapien. It didn't just make the task of creating a map for Halo more convenient, but it made it a whole hell of a lot easier by getting rid of the problems that existed in the original HEK.

So why did development stop? Well, everyone left. Development slowed on it after they lost their top programmers, then completely ceased as everyone else faded away. Now a limited team, there was little motivation to finish the project with the Halo community continuously diminishing. I really do wish the source was given to someone who could at least break it down and use it for research in another app, but I honestly don't think it was ever as complete as the screenshots made it out to be. Again, the app had a lot of potential had it been finished. However, I feel that many of the screenshots were "staged" (in a sense, Photoshopped, but not) to show off a feature they were working on, but was not yet even 10% complete. The program was limited in its new features, and it was rather unstable, but it was at least creating new features which, even several years after announcement, no one else has done yet.

[Kornman00]

Before I left Prom (it was before they went back and pretty much started over with their code base) the UI that would get shown off was pretty much already in place. Of course, some parts just had stub code or just wrote some debug text to the output pane but what else would you expect from an in-development app?

In other words, what you saw in updates was actually what we saw when using Visual Studio's UI editors and such. Nick would use Visio to design mock UIs for parts of Prom but they would get translated into whatever .NET UI components we were using at the time. I don't remember any of those pure Visio models ever making their way into an update.

Eventually (after I had left) Nick finally got into C# and started doing some work on the UI layer. I used to get IMs from him with questions and such when the active team members were afk, drunk, mia or being attacked by their cat and thus couldn't be his knight in shiny armor.