how the hell could you tell what it was? thanks. now any one got any tips on modeling weapons in gmax, the tutorial I found that delt with modeling it said to use a profile image of the gun being modeled, but I don't have that luxury, and I'd rather box model than use planes. also is it possible to create bipeds solely using gmax? and I don't know how to skin, or do practically any thing with textures besides repeating the same one over and over again. and how do you make leaves for trees? I exported a model of a tree to see how they make it, but the leaves seem a little complicated.