me says:
>_>
O_O
Oh..MY
me says:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Other_(Doctor_Who)
read that
me says:
hold on
we know rassilon and omega were part of the original timelords
correct?
myles?
Shout says:
correct
me says:
seems there was a third
one that was forgotten
Shout says:
I wish I could watch all of those old episodes. I'm not terribly up on my old Doctor Who as well as I should be
me says:
ah
Shout says:
It appears he's Gallifreyan, but not Timelord?
me says:
seems this third was lost in time that even his name was forgotten and is only known as "the other"
now
for the important part
one of the founding Triumvirate of Time Lord society after the overthrow of the cult of the Pythia that had, until then, dominated Gallifrey. The other two members of the Triumvirate were Rassilon and Omega.
Of the three, the Other's origins are the most obscure, with the circumstances of his birth and appearance being a mystery. Like Rassilon, various contradictory legends surround the Other, so
simply referred to as "the Other"
hold on whilst i grab the parts that are important
When the Pythia was overthrown, she laid a final curse on Gallifrey that made the population sterile. To ensure the continuation of their race, Rassilon created the Looms, machines that would "weave" new Gallifreyans out of extant genetic material.
tell me if you got that alright
Shout says:
So far so good
me says:
Omega apparently died creating the black hole which provided the raw power needed for time travel, turning the Gallifreyans into Lords of Time. (Some accounts suggest that Rassilon misled Omega into believing he would survive this mission.) Rassilon and the Other were left to pick up the pieces, with Rassilon harnessing the nucleus of the black hole to create the Eye of Harmony and becoming virtua
becoming virtual dictator of Time Lord civilisation. As Rassilon's rule became more oppressive, the Other knew that his own days were numbered.
got that?
Shout says:
yeah
me says:
The Other first ensured that his granddaughter Susan (the last child to be naturally born on Gallifrey) was safe, sending her to the spaceport to get off the planet. Then, in a last gesture of defiance against Rassilon's rule, he committed suicide by throwing himself into the Looms, mixing his genetic material into the banks.
let me know whe you've read each section so i dont just spam your msn up
Shout says:
I'm following well, actually
had to read it a few times though
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Eons passed, and the Looms became integrated into the great Houses of Gallifrey. Eventually, a new Cousin was born to the House of Lungbarrow, who would become known as the Doctor. Disenchanted with Time Lord society, the Doctor stole a TARDIS, intending to explore the universe.
we now know the doctors last name
but thats not the important part
impossible as that may be
this is the part that made hairs stand on end
However, inside he discovered that the Hand of Omega, the stellar manipulator Omega had used to create the Eye of Harmony, had followed him on board, somehow recognising inside him one of its creators. Although time travel into Gallifrey's past was strictly forbidden, the Hand overrode the locks that prevented the TARDIS from doing so and took the Doctor back to the Old Time.
The Doctor is a reincarnation of one of the three original Timelords
and susan is the grand daughter of the timelord the doctor was reincarnated out of
Shout says:
So the Other
me says:
is the doctor
but notice how the hand of omega took the doctor back in time to the origins of timelord society
when the first experiments were done
Shout says:
right, I'm trying to follow
me says:
yeah i was thinking wtf my self
There, a year after the Other had vanished into the Looms, the Doctor found Susan wandering the streets of the city — she had never made it to the spaceport. Like the Hand, although the Doctor did not look anything like the Other,
Susan recognised that there was a connection, and when she addressed him as "Grandfather", both of them knew that it was somehow right. The implication was that the Other had been genetically reincarnated as the Doctor, although how much of the Other is in the Doctor and how much he remembers of his past life, if at all, is unclear.
you know what this all means right?
Shout says:
eh, I'm trying to.
The Doctor is an original.. mostly, anyway
me says:
The doctor was the reincarnation of the other and the other was the doctor
Shout says:
wait wait wait, that's complicated.
The Doctor being taken back is a huge time paradox, for one.
Especially during the time where those experiments were even happening.
me says:
yes but if you nail it back, genetics are only genes that can be shared
Shout says:
The Doctor is the Other, but how could the Other be the Doctor?
me says:
the loom creates timelords from a cluster of genes in its banks
galifrey created the doctor
Shout says:
Well he is acknowledged as a "child of galifrey"
me says:
the loom is connected to the galifrayan matrix which is the central computer of the timelord tech
which in it self is sentient
and holds all the knowledge of the timelords
Shout says:
Well, it'd make sense for Omega to be the one that helped the Doctor then
Consider he provided said tech for Rassillion to create the Looms
me says:
precisely
think of it this way
originally there were two timelords rassilon and omega
omega gets boned by rassilon and confined to the virtual matrix
the matrix finds out what happened and later on biding its time creates the doctor
omega sends the doctor back so he becomes part of a triuvirate
at this point omega no longer needs to send the doctor back because the hand of omega knows he is a original creator
but in order for the hand to know who the doctor is omega still needs to programme it for the doctors genes
and so avoids the paradox
Shout says:
So what, programs it to respond to Other?
Other = Doctor?
me says:
yeah
Shout says:
God that's a huge circle paradox.
me says:
and yet selfsustainable
Shout says:
Yeah, it's interesting
I need to either read those novels or see the original episodes.
me says:
theres also more
there was some question over omegas gender
although omega is often reffered to as him
its never proven
if omega created the doctor, omega would know everything about the doctor
now for a moment we imagine if omega was a woman...with red hair....
Shout says:
Honestly, I don't think the current writers could pull that off. The newer viewers could never comprehend that.
Its taken me years of watching just to know what I know
me says:
lol
you imagine if they did pull that off?
Shout says:
My respect for the current show would skyrocket and I would likely drop out of school to watch Doctor Who
because it would be 'that' entertaining.
me says:
lol
all you would need is for river to say she was omega and had regenerated
Shout says:
But no one would ever know why that's important
me says:
no but they could follow that on in later episodes
slowly building to some sort of climax
Shout says:
hmm
potentially
what makes you think they would?
I could only see one scenario involving that
They would be trying to end the series by bringing everything Full Circle back to Galifrey
as a revival
me says:
yeah but they could pull some pretty damned epic episodes
story that would be so rich be unwordly for the BBC
unworldly*
Shout says:
true
I'd like to see it
me says:
they could effectly make it so the timewar which was started by the doctor messing with the daleks origins
the same person who helped bring the timelords into existance also killed them
and so...."The lonely God"
this would also give much greater empathsis on why the daleks fear him so much and why the pandorica alliance built a prison for "the most feared being in the universe"
Originally Posted by TeeKup
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