Modacity shooters' thread

[TVTyrant]

Shoulder shots with my 06 always down deer instantaneously. I have never had one get away or even move around a lot after the impact. I have also arrowed one and I never will again. The pain they go through is ridiculous in archery, and I felt terrible about it (was my first deer).

FreeLancer: I'm not basing it off of BC2... I've fired lots of 12 gauge slugs and hit chest sized targets at 100 yards using a cylinder bore. IDK what crappy slugs you are using, but you should buy better ones. That "big chunk of lead" will kill an animal way faster and more ethically than a .22 LR any time.

[Cortexian]

I only said typically. Most people will miss the smaller target a head/brain makes and that leaves bullets flying or a crappy hit that painfully disfigures the animal instead of killing it or slowly killing it. Many people wouldn't use the right caliber to make headshots because they don't consider the strength of the skull. And most animals don't hold their heads still long enough to make a responsible attempt at a headshot.

It's a low percentage shot. That's why it's considered a no-no in the hunting community. While shots in the vitals don't usually kill immediately, they're easier to make and generally always kill quickly.

About: Shot Placement



That can't be right. Either you aren't hitting the right spot or it just felt like a half hour. A shot to the heart is near instant kill. Hit the lungs and the animal will lay down and die in seconds. Miss a little and fragments will hit these and it could take minutes. I've had gutshot deer die within 30 seconds (gutshot because they were 15ft away). Try waiting longer before you track. when injured they'll run a little and lay down in a thicket. once they lay down it's over.

They always flail for a minute. They're dead though.

I've been hunting for 9 years and taken at least two deer a year in that time, I recall one a couple years ago that ran for almost a mile with both lungs shot out. I'm not sure what the status of the heart was.

Also, the "hunting community" has no qualms about taking headshots up here because the smallest caliber people hunt with up here is typically .270 and that'll even penetrate skull in a non-soft area. That said, if you can take an ideal side-shot then that's always what you do...

[TVTyrant]

I've been hunting for 9 years and taken at least two deer a year in that time, I recall one a couple years ago that ran for almost a mile with both lungs shot out. I'm not sure what the status of the heart was.

Also, the "hunting community" has no qualms about taking headshots up here because the smallest caliber people hunt with up here is typically .270 and that'll even penetrate skull in a non-soft area. That said, if you can take an ideal side-shot then that's always what you do...

The problem with headshots os pulling the shot, which can cause serious injury to the animal without killing it. I have heard stories of deer/elk roaming the woods for weeks with their lower jaws blown off slowly dying a lingering death.

[Cortexian]

Yeah I don't ever take shots unless I can make the shot perfectly, so that's irrelevant to me. The only way to take a proper headshot is through the eyes or ears were the skull is weakest.

[Amit]

The problem with headshots os pulling the shot, which can cause serious injury to the animal without killing it. I have heard stories of deer/elk roaming the woods for weeks with their lower jaws blown off slowly dying a lingering death.

Jesus Christ

[TVTyrant]

Yeah I don't ever take shots unless I can make the shot perfectly, so that's irrelevant to me. The only way to take a proper headshot is through the eyes or ears were the skull is weakest.

Thats what everyone who ever had it happen probably always said. Your scope can be knocked out of alignment and the wind drift can be stronger than you can anticipate.

[sleepy1212]

Or they could just move their head. Even rifle hunters experience some "string jump" like in archery. That's a real pain in the ass when your target is the size of a golf ball.

[Cortexian]

Thats what everyone who ever had it happen probably always said. Your scope can be knocked out of alignment and the wind drift can be stronger than you can anticipate.

Every day I go out hunting I always sight in under the most ideal conditions possible, wind is pretty negligible since 90% of our shots are through heavy tree areas with little wind. If my scope is bumped one day I switch to a different rifle until I can verify that it's re-sighted, unless of course the animal is sub-100 yards and I can take an ideal shot through the lungs and heart area.

Or they could just move their head. Even rifle hunters experience some "string jump" like in archery. That's a real pain in the ass when your target is the size of a golf ball.

Never done archery so I have no idea what this string jump stuff you're talking about is. All our rifles have extremely light trigger configurations to negate the effects of incorrect trigger depression technique. That said, I have no idea if that's similar to what you're talking about or not.

[sleepy1212]

When you release the arrow the string makes a loud noise the deer hears and instinctively reacts by flinching or jumping. Sometimes it only throws the shot off by a few inches but they can also jump high enough that the arrow goes under them. It's a lot more noticeable in archery because an arrow's speed.

It still happens with rifles but is a lot less of a problem, unless you're aiming for something really small where the diminished "jump" could cause a miss. Distance is a huge factor and, although bullet speed might be 2-3000fps, deer flinch insanely fast. At close distances they won't hear the shot in time but they will hear the trigger (if you've ever dry-fired on a deer you will know this first hand).

It's a stretch in rifle hunting but it's only one example of something that could cause a paranoid animal like a deer to move, ruining the shot. A snapping twig, a wren that just woke up, maybe a squirrel found you under his tree, a slamming truck door, or even a farm dog barking in the next hollow over. All these could ruin the best setup.

[Cortexian]

So long as the animal isn't moving when you pull the trigger that won't be a problem unless the animal is 700+ yards away, and at that range you'd only ever want to take an ideal side-shot anyways...