Modacity shooters' thread

[Cortexian]

Here's another good quote from CTOMS:

"What worked yesterday would be fine, if it was yesterday."

Most infantry warfare isn't stretched over long periods of time or distance anymore though, you go in and fuck shit up, and then leave again to go do it somewhere else. You don't deploy 10,000 troops miles outside a city and then have them march to it. So weight really shouldn't be a concern for said "shock troop" units.

I realize that recee units and other units that need to move around on foot a lot wouldn't want more gear, but there are some units that benifit more from front-armor than anything else (ESPECIALLY SWAT teams).

[Roostervier]

you don't have to march into a city to wind up moving a long distance, moving back and forth adds up, and i don't know if you've never worn a ruck, but 200 extra pounds makes a big fucking difference. having anything extra is just uselessly complicating things. you get trained for a reason, and people getting shot is an inevitability. that's why you take cover. having extra protection might be a nice thought, but it really just isn't needed. i mean, you don't just show up in a city and execute an op for 45 minutes and leave a majority of the time. not to mention you want to be prepared, and having extra shit weighing you down that you don't need is the purposefully being unprepared when you look at the bigger picture.

the fact that you're still arguing tells me you're really just inexperienced with how things actually are. join the army and pick a combat arms position and see if you still want all that extra shit once you've already got everything else loaded up.

[TVTyrant]

Kevin is the very definition of gear queer

I'm seriously getting tired of everyone talking shit about me. I'm about the farthest thing from a 'gear queer'. I'm very much about the old way of equipment. All a trooper should need to carry into battle is his rifle, some protection (condoms mostly), and enough ammo to get the job done. Other stuff is neat, but really unnecessary.

[Warsaw]

Wait, I thought Ross was talking about Freelancer...

[TVTyrant]

Wait, I thought Ross was talking about Freelancer...

Freelancer's name is Kevin? So is mine...

[Cortexian]

Yes I'm the Original Kevin™

you don't have to march into a city to wind up moving a long distance, moving back and forth adds up, and i don't know if you've never worn a ruck, but 200 extra pounds makes a big fucking difference. having anything extra is just uselessly complicating things. you get trained for a reason, and people getting shot is an inevitability. that's why you take cover. having extra protection might be a nice thought, but it really just isn't needed. i mean, you don't just show up in a city and execute an op for 45 minutes and leave a majority of the time. not to mention you want to be prepared, and having extra shit weighing you down that you don't need is the purposefully being unprepared when you look at the bigger picture.

the fact that you're still arguing tells me you're really just inexperienced with how things actually are. join the army and pick a combat arms position and see if you still want all that extra shit once you've already got everything else loaded up.

Fuck how many times do I have to say it, I was in the Canadian Forces (Reserves) for a year, completed BMQ (Basic). I know exactly what it's like to be loaded down. Guess what, if you're fighting in your 200 pound ruck you're either A) retarded, or B) some crazy bodybuilding monster who does all his PT with the ruck on "for shits". When the fighting starts you ditch your ruck and come back for it later, you shouldn't have any first line gear in it anyway.

I'm currently re-applying as well.

Having worn all that gear, I think some fragmentation resistant greaves would be a better alternative than the nothing-resistant neoprene knee-pads.

[rossmum]

Or you got contacted while on the march and didn't have time to drop packs before going into your contact drills...

[Cortexian]

You mean dropping prone and returning fire? You realize you should probably ditch your pack once you go prone? IDK about you guys but in the CF our rucks are on QD buckles so when we go prone we can drop them.

It's a lot of vertical target giving away your position when you're prone.

[TVTyrant]

I know from a friend that in the US military they drop their equipment as soon as rounds are fired.

[Cortexian]

Yeah I thought that dropping non-fighting kit was pretty standard.

Obviously if you have more pressing matters, like shooting a guy running at you or someone you can see shooting at you, you do that first. But ditch the non-fighting gear ASAP. Hauling around 100 pounds of food, medical supplies, clothing, blankets, ammo cans isn't helpful in a firefight.