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[Paradox621]

I am an old member of the forums and I request that I not be banned, but DSalimander has requested I post this on these forums.

It's the people like Hogdriver, Cheatsman, you, sarge, deep, dsalimander and all the people who came before you, yance, sowvapor, and back to the PC modding days is the reason why most people now don't release their apps. Because little kids who don't know how to respect others turn creations into monsters. It's the same reason why the H3B model extraction tools arn't public.

Attention Halo CE Community:

As we have said before: it is better for the community to release the tags and advance our skills in making maps. Arrogant people like CMT who keep their skills, methods, and apps from the public only hold the public back from advancing in ways we make better things. If everybody released their tags, the community could make unbelievable maps. There really is no reason to protect maps if you plan to release them. If you release maps, keep them unprotected. If people rip tags and place them in "box maps" WHO CARES? Just don't download the crappy maps. Crappy maps are inevitable. But if people make awesome maps everybody loves, congratulations, the community can enjoy better maps.

I am releasing the tags for the better of the community. Like it or not.

-DSalimander

[Stormwing]

lolz

ce tag freedom fighters.

[adumass]

I am an old member of the forums and I request that I not be banned, but DSalimander has requested I post this on these forums.

Attention Halo CE Community:

As we have said before: it is better for the community to release the tags and advance our skills in making maps. Arrogant people like CMT who keep their skills, methods, and apps from the public only hold the public back from advancing in ways we make better things. If everybody released their tags, the community could make unbelievable maps. There really is no reason to protect maps if you plan to release them. If you release maps, keep them unprotected. If people rip tags and place them in "box maps" WHO CARES?- while also not giving credit to the original creators or claiming it as there own Just don't download the crappy maps. Crappy maps are inevitable. But if people make awesome maps everybody loves, congratulations, the community can enjoy better maps.

I am releasing the tags for the better of the community. Like it or not.

-DSalimander

The reason people protect maps is to attempt to stop people like you. They don't want all that time/work they spent on making something to be used by some random idiot who claims it has his own. I wish the damn hek+ was never released..

[Hurrvish]

unbelievable maps.

You mean box maps with HAYRO TREE WEPUNS placed all over the floor?

[Mass]

GO SALIMANDER![/sarcasm]

Way to bite the hand that feeds you man.

[Masterz1337]

Lol, well if he can read this then I have a few things to say to you. We don't hold stuff back. What is the deal with us releasing H2 Oblivion, so you guys could have acess to the tags. Why was the spv1 HUD released. Why is HEK+ released? Why did we release other tags from SPV1? Why are we open sourcing our old brute?

You say if everyone released their tags, people (and no doubt, you are refering to yourself as one of the people) you could make better maps. How do you figure that? You have HEK+, and tons and tons of other tags. Yet, most of you turn out shit. If you are a good mapper, and ask us for tags, most of the time we will say yes. Shocking isn't it?

You say who cares if our tags are used in shitty maps, who cares? We care. Why do we want our skills associated with someone who sticks them in a box, and then every fucking idiot who plays it thinks its one of ours, or, that the box map man is responsible for the tags.

You can release the data you got via the DXripper, and guess what? We don't care. The data is useless to people unless they know how to use it well, and those that can use it well, well they are the ones who deserve it anyway.

I am interested in hearing your responce.

[teh lag]

Because CMT is the ONLY group of people that are good at anything, right? We earned all of our skills, as can anyone who tries. We have no responsibility to share with anyone, but on a number of occasions we have. I have personally explained some of what we do to many people who took the time to politely ask and learn, rather than beg. Anyone who is as devoted as we are can become as good as one of our members. Saying that we're holding down the community by not releasing our content is akin to saying Boeing is holding down the plane manuafacturing industry by not open-sourcing te 747. We are not holding any technology - what we have can be made by anyone. I didn't even KNOW we had our own special apps that could revolutionize the community. You're not doing this for "the good of the community" - any rational person would realize what I am saying now. No, you, like many others, have simply chosen the easy route, and want to "stick it to the man," for simply being better than you. We don't have some god-given holy fire of knowledge. All we have is years of experience and dedication, which, as I have stated repeatedly, can be in the posession of anyone. You seem to be the arrogant (and ignorant) one - your pretenese for releasing our content, which we worked very hard on, is that it will benefit the community. Did WE have people giving us well-made content? No. We made it all ourselves. It also isn't sometihng that will revolutionize the community. It will only please the lazy man who wants all gain with no work. I could understand if this was something like the HEK+; that's something that DID revolutionize CE. Or scripting for that matter. But this is no more than a case of jealousy fueling delusional revenge.

This will not benefit the community.

This will result in CMT content being placed in maps that are poorly-made.

[Mass]

Because CMT is the ONLY group of people that are good at anything, right? We earned all of our skills, as can anyone who tries. We have no responsibility to share with anyone, but on a number of occasions we have. I have personally explained some of what we do to many people who took the time to politely ask and learn, rather than beg. Anyone who is as devoted as we are can become as good as one of our members. Saying that we're holding down the community by not releasing our content is akin to saying Boeing is holding down the plane manuafacturing industry by not open-sourcing te 747. We are not holding any technology - what we have can be made by anyone. I didn't even KNOW we had our own special apps that could revolutionize the community. You're not doing this for "the good of the community" - any rational person would realize what I am saying now. No, you, like many others, have simply chosen the easy route, and want to "stick it to the man," for simply being better than you. We don't have some god-given holy fire of knowledge. All we have is years of experience and dedication, which, as I have stated repeatedly, can be in the posession of anyone. You seem to be the arrogant (and ignorant) one - your pretenese for releasing our content, which we worked very hard on, is that it will benefit the community. Did WE have people giving us well-made content? No. We made it all ourselves. It also isn't sometihng that will revolutionize the community. It will only please the lazy man who wants all gain with no work. I could understand if this was something like the HEK+; that's something that DID revolutionize CE. Or scripting for that matter. But this is no more than a case of jealousy fueling dellusional revenge.

I'd like to think that I am living proof of this.

[teh lag]

LagRant : Continued...

Let's take the infamous Spartan Laser as a case to examine.

If it was released, what would be better?

Would maps with it magically get better gameplay? Will once bad maps become sucessful? No. They will only be able to advertise that they have the CMT Spartan laser, which will only attract the ignorant. The same goes for any of our content that we have worked hard over. A good map is a good map, a bad map is a bad map, and nothing will ever change that. Good content can make a good map better, but it will only increase the playability fo a bad map by a few minutes. If the map is very good, then we may approach the creator, asking if they would like it to be remade with CMT content. (Again, pointing to the Neuro incident.) We also WILL consider adding our content to a well-designed map with good gameplay if the author approaches us with this. Unless the map is good stand-alone, it will not be improved by our work. Your point is null, and again comes down to petty delusional revenge.

[Masterz1337]

Don't forget that just because a map has cmt content doesnt mean it will be good. We have plenty of CMT maps that sucked so much we didn't even release them. So again, why would our content make people have better maps?