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Not really, because Halo 3's Covenant had nothing on Halo 2's Covenant. Halo 1 and 3 were the easiest to beat, even on higher difficulties. Halo 2 was just "FFFFFFFUUUUU" the whole way through on Heroic and/or Legendary.
Anywho, after reading through the thread since my last post, I love the way this is turning out. It looks so much better than SPv1, which by relative comparison might as well be considered a technology test bed for SPv2.
CovenantQuote:
Originally Posted by Warsaw
Ick, my bad. Still, that level wasn't atrociously hard, even on the higher difficulties. The worst part was the two Scarabs, and that's only because I take them down by jumping on top of them with a mongoose. :haw:
A Mongoose??? wow
I just use a Wraith...
I liked The Covenant for that fact you can hijack the AA Wraith and pwn the covenant up to the first tower :D
This has what to do with mod discussion?Quote:
Originally Posted by Advancebo
You could actually hijack all of the other ones too. It's a little weird to use on the storm though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Advancebo
What changes have gone to the FRG? Just thought I'd ask while we're somewhat on the topic.
Dont be a cock, it was just a light statement.Quote:
Originally Posted by Amit
That level was one of my most favourite in the whole game.
Mine too...
And since "pardon our dust" has to do with halo 3, not to mention Halo 3:ODST, I wonder if there will be any more new vehicles... if not... an AA wraith will do...:lol:
We currently have :Quote:
Originally Posted by EX12693
Warthog (Chaingun, Gauss, Rocket)
Scorpion
Sparrowhawk
Pelican
Ghost
Wraith (Mortar, AA)
Banshee
Spirit Dropship (Default H1 + Minor adjustments)
We do not plan on adding any more vehicles at this point.
E : Before any of you ask, you will not be able to operate dropships in the mod. Period.
That makes 4 new vehicles, not counting changes done to the Spirit. More than good enough for me.
How fast is the ROF of the Anti-Air Wraith precisely? Is it as fast as that shown in the ViDoc still or have there been adjustments?
At which point will the Sparrowhawk be used? and is there adjusment to the Banshee (boost, FRC ect).Quote:
Originally Posted by teh lag
oh come now, that would be ruining the suspense of when you get to use it. Most likely on B30, B40, and C40.Quote:
Originally Posted by 343guiltymc
How many of you actually liked the rocket Warthog? Whether it was in CMT spv1 or the regular Halo PC multiplayer one, I hated it.
The worst part of the rocket hog in SP is that when you're trying to make roadkill out of an enemy, your gunner will also try to "help" kill that enemy, which can result in death or major damage to you and your occupants.
The Gauss one is much better, the chaingun is still the most balanced.
Rocket took skill. If you knew what you were doing, you could easily take out other 'Hogs with it, even Ghosts.
Gauss was fucking butt rape in halo 3. It killed EVERYTHING.
Only if you actually aim at something :VQuote:
Originally Posted by Inferno
That’s assuming you’re the one in the gunner seat. The rocket hog is tolerable in multiplayer, so long as I’m driving and not shooting, as most human players will know the proper way to handle the rocket hog. But in SP, the AI isn’t smart enough to know that attempting to shoot something at close range with the rocket turret is ill-advised.Quote:
Originally Posted by Warsaw
The funny thing about Halo is that, with the exception of maybe air vehicles, hoofing it is the safest way to travel.
Scorpion was pretty damn safe in halo 1, and the ghost boost is great in H2.Quote:
Originally Posted by Warsaw
E: Not vista, because you can't turn :<
wha?Quote:
Originally Posted by itszutak
Why not?
Because driving a vehicle in H2V is impossible due too shitty controls.
Unless you are using a 360 controller...
Also, overcharge bolts + Scorpion = very bad things in Halo 1. If you keep an eye peeled though, you're golden.
I think that can be solved by changing the Collision Material. I believe you should try Hunter Shield or Metal Thick.Quote:
Originally Posted by Warsaw
Hunter armour doesn't stop plasma rounds in Halo 1, at all, not even the shields.
Correct Warsaw, they can be killed by pretty much any gun, it just takes a while.
But actually, due to automatic fire tending to have spread, chances are that the plasma round didn't actually burn through the Hunter armor, it just found its way to an orange spot.
The hunter arm shields don't take damage AFAIK
Only because the actor variant tied to the gunner seat is set up for the chaingun. I'm pretty sure there's a setting in the actv tag that defines minimum safe distance/preferred distance before laying on the trigger.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr Buckshot
I like the rhog. With a good gunner in MP, there's nothing you can't take on. The rhog gunner in spv1 never bothered me. The rocket marines in Halo 2 were worse. I never once gave an ODST a RL on Delta Halo where he didn't immediately blow himself up on a rock or something.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr Buckshot
had that problem as well on DH. the ODSTs normally blew themselves up with the RL, the ones with SMGs I gave a BR, which helped somewhat.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pooky
Hopefully the AI will be adjusted if the rocket hog is going to be in.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0HIYVrudtts
about 3:38. The rocket hogs are smarter.
I just hated the first level. In the hallway encounter with the Spartan allies and the BRG.
FFFFUCKERS always killed me.
Its not the rocket hogs that are smart, its the AI controlling it :VQuote:
Originally Posted by Invader Veex
I think spv2 either removed their ability to fire the BRG or made them smarter when handling the BRG.Quote:
Originally Posted by Heathen
Yeah it was so annoying how they would launch the grenades at close range.
Also, the flamethrower didn't have a significant appearance if I remember, it was more or less ignored in SPV1, appearing very rarely. Oh well, I didn't really care but others might.
Actually, vehicles have their own actor variants so when one AI gets in the aiming and behavior of the vehicle is influenced in a way unrelated of the AI in it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Advancebo
There's less BRG marines in SPv2, and they fire less frequently. There is no way to make them smarter when firing their brgs.
Good enough for me :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Masterz1337
Just for the effect, have some Covenant-weapon-carrying marines too, like in the original Halo 1, a few times you'd see one with a PR or a needler :P.
Why wouldn't they?
Does that explain the actor firing parameters in the vehicle tag?Quote:
Originally Posted by Masterz1337
When you release the prisoners in T&R, the only weapons around are Covenant weapons soooooo....ballsacks. :v:Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr Buckshot
I'd always bump possess keyes and give him a camo and a shotty.
Keye's has an AR now. And infinite health.
Yes you can thank God.
Awesome job. Out of curiosity though, why does he get an AR after being freed? He should be picking up a Covenant gun (I was a bit bewildered in spv1 when he got a shotgun). I guess you could argue that MC has a spare one and passes it to him...Quote:
Originally Posted by Masterz1337
Will the "backpack weapons" mod be implemented? It's not necessary, the mod wouldn't really be different with or without it, but it's cool.
One more question, how useful is a silenced gun in the campaign? A lot of users said the silenced SMG made a difference against the AI, but for some reason I didn't see it, a silenced shot still alerted foes.
Haha, I remember in the old days we did "debate" over the usefulness of the rocket Warthog Masters, you were defending the rocket hog over the fact that it takes skillz to use.
Keyes with an... assault rifle?
You're not trying to do something crazy like making him almost effective in a fire fight, right?
You best be joking, nigga.
It's single player... AI don't carry secondary weapons <_<Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr Buckshot
I'm pretty sure he meant the mod for only MC if it's possible. Also, why is Keyes invincible? I mean I wan't something to fight for.
I think its been said they cut the backpack thing due to tag space reasons if I remember correctly. I understand why since each permutation for a back packed weapon would take up tag space that may be needed for something more important than back packed weapons.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lateksi
Keyes invincible takes away the point of protecting him as he is invincible and therefore could take an assload of abuse without going down for the count.
just make keyes a wee bit tougher to kill.
Do you really like loading the last checkpoint when keyes charges into fire?Quote:
Originally Posted by sevlag
Trust me people, you'll understand why he's invincible once you play spv2. The AI aren't just your usual, "blah shoot run die". They will kill you, your family, and your great uncle Sam before having a Red Bull.
Yeah, SPV2 is substantially more difficult than the original campaign.
Speaking of difficulty, what difficulty (Easy, Normal, Heroic, Legendary) is the mod compared to the original campaign? Like would it be Heroic, compared to the original campaign's Normal?
IMO hard is harder than the original legendary.
Ohhh shizen. We are all going to DIE!!
Oshi! What if we drink redbull first? :puke:Quote:
Originally Posted by NuggetWarmer
Not if you have a BRGL and a Carbine. :awesome:Quote:
Originally Posted by Hunter
Yeah :awesome: then only 95% of us die :awesome:Quote:
Originally Posted by DarkHalo003
What if we have infinite ammo and a bottomless clip? Then only 90% of us will die within 10 seconds of playing. :awesome:Quote:
Originally Posted by PlasbianX
I don't suppose there still are energy sword wielding elites in SPV2?
That's cheating.Quote:
Originally Posted by DarkHalo003
And cheaters never win.....I get it.....:(Quote:
Originally Posted by Amit
That's why we're not letting you people use dev. WE put hard work into balancing the weapons and the encounters, as well as creating an experience , and you want to just cheat your way past it? That's a major "fuck you" to the team.Quote:
Originally Posted by DarkHalo003
No, I wasn't sending a "fuck you" to the team. If the AI are so damn hard, then I was making a comic statement and went for the combo. I also fail at using dev on anything, so that further proves my comedic standing on this.Quote:
Originally Posted by Masterz1337
I'm glad you are balancing the game.
But Masterz, what if I've already beaten the game and want to just have some fun and turn on invincibility? You know, just for fun. I don't see any issue with that. Just because people can use dev doesn't necessarily mean they will, nor does it mean people that do will use it to exploit the game. Your main goal is to change the game experience yet maintain the fun right? It can be fun to do stuff like that.
Agreed. I love going through campaigns with godmode on and a 0/100 plasma pistol with bottomless clip just for the sheer satisfaction of blowing through entire armies by yourself.Quote:
Originally Posted by huerosam
Why restrict us from using the devmode at all? Most people will go through it honestly, and in any case, devmode is a useful tool for dealing with any bugs that get in the way of normal gameplay.
No it isn't. We all play games differently, and if every game developer took cheating so personally I doubt any game creation/modification tools (Including halo CE) would even exist.Quote:
That's why we're not letting you people use dev. WE put hard work into balancing the weapons and the encounters, as well as creating an experience , and you want to just cheat your way past it? That's a major "fuck you" to the team.
"Cheating" is what separates console from PC games. With a console game, you are restricted by what the developers wanted, and I find myself almost never picking up an xbox game again once I've beaten it. Cheat codes make a game fun after you've beaten it the normal way front and back. One of the things that brings me back to many valve games is the cheats that serve no developing value (Including activating the super gravity gun at any time) but make the game worthwhile to play for fun.
Some people enjoy a challenge, including me. But some people play games simply for fun and for that ability to breeze through, so why should you stop those people from playing the way they want to?
You're fucking joking, right?Quote:
Originally Posted by Masterz1337
So the cheat codes for GTA are a "FUCK YOU" to the developers because people want to screw around more?
So the Konami Code was a "FUCK YOU" to the developers because they find a certain part too difficult and they want to have more fun?
So Halo Custom Edition and all custom content in general is a big "FUCK YOU" to all developers because the game wasn't enough to satisfy them? Even though custom content isn't "cheating," your logic still stands for this analogy. The developers put a lot of work into making the game balanced and fun, and creating an experience, and you just want to change it?
People like to have fun in different ways. If you limit people, they'll just get a trainer to do the same thing. If someone's not willing to cheat and they can't get past a point in a game, they'll just put it down and say "FUCK IT" and won't pick it up again. THEN what is a bigger "FUCK YOU" do the developers?
Tbh, I see it the other way around. Not allowing cheating is more like a "fuck you," to the guys who download your maps. Not everyone wants to play seriously; sometimes it's more fun to just kill every thing in sight without worry about your health.
I was with the no dev thing, but I find myself agreeing with you guys.
Same here, then again, both sides to have their valid points...Quote:
Originally Posted by Heathen
How bout make it so that the only dev cheat people can use are deathless, bottomless clip, infinite ammo, jump pack, and super jump? That way they won't be able to spawn weapons/vehicles and use them.
I suppose with all the editing, most of the original encounters wont be the same? And also with dev turned off, this means no encounter wars for Veexie :saddowns:
OR, how about you don't use them at all....
I agree with jcap.
I don't use devmode for unfair advantages. On all PC games I play, I beat the campaign the honest way on hardest difficulty. Then I come back with cheat codes for a funny way to play. e.g. using nothing but the crowbar in Half-Life, blowing through Covenant using a bottomless plasma gun, jumping to places I'm not supposed to go, etc - you can't deny it's fun after you've beaten the game!
Damn, I liked spawning new encounters and watching them kill each other.
No dev makes me sad-face. :smithicide:
No it's far from it, it's called "I beat the game already, I want to replay it in a totally nonsensical yet hilarious manner." In spv1 I loved using the deathless player cheat in order to get enemies to follow me everywhere in Two Betrayals. The high jump cheat was a great way to access forbidden areas too and try out funny things. A lot of console games have no cheat codes, especially those with online modes, which is what I dislike.Quote:
Originally Posted by Masterz1337
Why don't you pick up any PC shooter you've already beaten, enable a cheat code, and play through it in a spiced-up manner, you'll see why we're all against the blocking of dev commands.
Little bit off-topic: Ever tried firing an empty plasma pistol with bottomless clip enabled? Best weapon ever.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr Buckshot
Hell yeah. Also, god mode + needler-without-any-cheats = damned fun carnage.Quote:
Originally Posted by itszutak
More comments about CMT campaign:
1. Nice work on the graphics and new effects, yeah it's only SM2.0 but it's impressive. It's just too bad the Halo engine isn't the most mod-friendly out there.
2. Is the assault rifle melee still going to be that ridiculous slow-but-ultra-powerful thing in SPV1? I never used it, it was faster to just shoot or throw a grenade.
3. Deciding between the M6D and the BR can be hard sometimes...oh well.
yes, didn't bug me at all..truth be told he never did that with me as I hung back which made the marines hang back while I spammed the bridge with nades, only if I missed some sniper shots. other than that I hav no problem reverting to last checkpoint if keyes bites the dust....Quote:
Originally Posted by Pooky
also, dev mode is flat out stupid to use in campaign, I admit I abuse it to explore, like in SP v1 on AoTCR, I dev'd the cam so I could jack the fire team zulu pelican for fun, but after awhile restarted the level and turned off dev.
I have to admit, disabling dev is a pro/con thing:
Pro: you prevent people from cheating their way through campaign the first time around
Con: By disabling dev you take the fun away from people who want to play through again with a few things altered here and there.
an example (real thing BTW):
upon replaying SP v1, on T&R I decided "hey for kicks, why don't I make my team mates invisible and they all have snipers?"
I did not use god mode, or bottomless clip or infinite ammo, but I utilized dev mode to enhance the game play, I also took it upon myself to use a time freeze to bump possess elites and grutns and jackals to give them more powerful weapons, ex. grunts had PRs and a few with needelers, plasma pistol jackals packed PRs, some Elites came out swinging with heavy artilery and a few were cloaked for that added kick.
Dev mode has its ups and downs, but by removing the ability to utilize it decreases the replay value of the game itself. just consider allowing dev mode to be used, I know there are people who will abuse it, but there are people like me who use developer mode to make the game more challenging and fun.
Yep, sevlag is correct, devmode (or just simple cheat codes like GTA) really increases a single-player game's replay value. Most users here won't cheat through it the first time, I'm dead serious Masters, there's no fun in that.
Agreed. I always make a run through a campaign with no cheats, just for the atmosphere.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr Buckshot
aslong as theres still a fuction to control debug camera for machinima or just for recording with fraps i wont mind if you take out the cheats section.
IDGAF ABOUT DEVMODE. WE UNDERSTAND THE WHOLE PROS/CONS THING, NOW LET'S STOP TALKING ABOUT IT AND LET THE DEVS DECIDE.
:gonk:Quote:
Originally Posted by DrunkenSamus
I was about to do this...
I believe they encourage that, don't worry.Quote:
Originally Posted by SonicXtreme
Right, let's quit worrying about devmode.
One comment: For the tank, I recall that the Halo 2 reticule was put in for spv1 but the accuracy of the cannon was still Halo 1. Made shelling kinda tricky :(
agreed thereQuote:
Originally Posted by SonicXtreme
So I can add the after burn effect from the wraith tanks from Halowars to ours. basicly after a mortar blast hits, teh area it hits will burn for several seconds after, including vehicles and units if it hits.
That sounds cool and now I'm thinking why bungie didn't put it in the normal halo games.Quote:
Originally Posted by Masterz1337
do it! I always loved that effect on the plasma pistol overcharge shots.
So I was playing through the CMT Campaign v1 for old times sake, and I re-noticed that you guys had funny and cool extended audios.
Is this going to be re-presented in SPv2?
EDIT: Also, I can see where you're coming from about the whole cheating thing, Masterz.
But, why take away something that would make us enjoy your mod even more? I think you're stuck in the thoughts of yours and the rest of the team's work being corrupted or demeaned, that you've lost sight of where the gold really is; You guys made this mod for yourselves and the community to enjoy and when/if you complete this project, no one's going to be able to take that goal away from you.
Please, enable un-abridged cheating. Because we all like and want to have our own kind of fun with what's presented to us.
Completely agreed. I played through CMT spv1 without cheating but I did go back and do infinite ammo grenade launcher and stuff because its just fun.
Enough about the dev. If you say anything too much you risk the thread getting locked :/
Besides, I think they get the point.
Question: I remember that CMT servers can be problematic when hosting the SPV1 downloads (especially during first week of release).
Would the team be all right with using a torrent instead? It saves server cost, and the beauty is that more downloaders = faster speed. I am willing to seed a CMT SPV2 torrent by leaving my laptop turned on overnight while I sleep.
No torrents. Torrents are annoying to DL for some people. It'd really be no different then DLing each level one by one.
That's already been discussed and is already decided I am sure.
Get Freelancer to have it available on some random server to download lol. I would prefer a torrent for something like this. That or Rapidshare :D I've got a premium account so I'd be able to download the files quick time, however that is not an option for most other users.
There should be downloads for individual maps and a huge ass torrent for all the maps together. With enough seeders you could probably get all the maps within a couple of hours.
Or just send them via CD's or DVD's via postage.
There's going to be multiple ways to get the maps. Torrent will probably be the fastest and the first way to get it.
I'll be willing to host it on my server when the time comes, if it is needed, just to let you know. I hardly ever use it anyways.
So whats the gameplay like? need any suggestions that way as in "put rock here, spawn fellas here" ect? that kind of stuff or are you all pretty good on the gameplay department?
Have you guys got any areas where you really can't win without using your head?
I'm talking lots of (mostly short)corridors of fire with you and a few marines against 4 tons of covenant and plenty of opportunities for "FUCK RUN" moments.
HUNTERS ELITES FUELROD GRUNTS SWORDS FINAL DESTINATION