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Watching GTTV and seeing some more gameplay...it seems the animator (I believe it's a new guy) has really cleaned up some things and I'm actually mostly satisfied with them now. Pistol reload is still more 'realistic' and not Halo-ish in my tastes so I don't exactly like it, but most everything else looks pretty nice.
tbqh I didn't like the pistol's reloading animation very much, thought it was far too smooth
But those particle effects. I need to get my hands on Reach's theater :pcgaming:
Well if you watch the Unto the Breach ViDoc you can see the pistol reload's alpha where it's very very jolty and horrible, but it seems he's just edited and updated them throughout the time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ifafudafi
Not exactly a bad idea, everyone gets to see and critique the animations/their concepts instead of using placeholders, so it's kind of a plus side.
The pistol animation is definitely better since the Alpha footage we saw, I think I can live with how it is now, I'm just more bothered about the Shotgun...maybe we just didn't see enough of it, but it seemed to have a really minimal and weak looking animation, maybe it will look better once we get it in our hands on May 3rd.
You know what's awesome? The Public Beta goes live on my last day of school for this semester.
Wanna hear something even cooler than that?
I have shit tons of work and probobly won't be able to play it! :neckbeard:
Also, the shotguns firing animations look retarded tbh.
Keeping in mind the guy still has maybe 6 or so months, I'd say the shotgun isn't fully done yet and like I said he probably made all the animations in a basic form and is now slowly editing them up to release, adding his new experience and such that he's learned to them.
I did the same thing with Duce for MPG3 and the pistol, I animated some basic ones and gave them to him to replace HDoan's and see if people liked mine. Then based on feedback I received I changed them around and gave edits here and there until Duce got the final set he has now. Given, that was in a matter of about 2-3 weeks though ^.^
I doubt it. The Halo 3's animations didn't change very much since the Beta, aside from adding the equipment drop, and one or two nearly unnoticable tweaks. Not only that, but the FP animations are probably not the most important thing for them to worry about right now. Remember when the Halo 3 beta came out and theater mode didn't have any of the features the final game did? It was probably because they hadn't touched on it yet. We have no idea how polished or done the, say, campaign, custom games, or anything else not in the Beta is. They could be completely done by now, or they could be far from it. The final game doesn't come out for a while, and we don't know how swamped with other, more important stuff they are.
Also, MPG3 is irrelevant. Development for a mod or a map is much, much different than development for an actual game. Modding, for Halo at least, is as simple as is placing custom content, models, bitmaps, animations, etc into a pre-set template. Bungie actually developes and engineers the template, engine, and everything else, as well as everything I've listed. They don't just mess around with tool, sapien and geurilla. Coding is a huge part of their, and any game developers job, and there's alot more that can go wrong than just a badly placed thumb or a bland texture.
some of the animations are jolty
this game isn't worth playing
o nose
I kinda do like the pumping animation for the shotgun though, the kinda slap pump.
Bungie has been pretty good with learning from their mistakes after finishing their games. Basing their overall development from that of a previous game (especially one that was their first on a new system) isn't really accurate as they are more than likely doing something different this time around. Not just that but development practices improve too. It would be more logical to keep using existing assets when building the prototyping\alpha stages, as unlike some other developers, Bungie just keeps improving their own engine, not picking an entirely different one or going third-party. Sure designers\artists can work on the improvements they have in mind for the future life cycles (beta, delta, etc), but the idea is that during this time to get a rough idea of what was brought up in the pre-production phase.
Engineers will be cracking out new systems and improvements during this time too so some advancements may not be readily avaiable. Example may be that the animation system may be getting an overhaul so why work on old assets for an alpha engine when you'll be redoing things "from the ground up" later for a new system in a more complete engine? Work with the resources you have now to get the mindset of what you'll be having overall later in development, then work on the nitty grities (working from the ground up as the say).
An alpha tester should be worrying about how to break the game and spotting shit that just isn't right. It's during this phase when you'll be looking out (for example) for animation "pops" instead of going "oh, well these FP animations just look like the old game, filing a bug!". Well, they're more than likely FROM the old game because that is what the game tech is based on. In fact, you'd in some cases WANT that. You have something to test against. If the DATA hasn't changed but the SYSTEM has and the execution doesn't look the same nor as expected...then there is a bug somewhere.
AKA: BUILD IS BUSTED. ABORT.Quote:
Originally Posted by t3h m00kz
New Vidoc is up
Looking very nice indeed.
Downloading now.
Is there much info on invasion in this or any until now unannounced features?
Looking at the new limited editions on bungie.net....
http://www.bungie.net/News/content.a...news&cid=25773
Nothing really on invasion, there was an article on Kotaku that had a bit on it.
Oh and race:
http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j1...1943375595.jpg
they finally decided to do something right...GJ bungie
race will be fun again
Vrrm vrrm. Heh, they could make Grifball on mongeese (I forget the name of the real sport played on horse back) where you have to get a round object to a highlighted area to score. From the sounds of their new Megalo engine, they could set that up
In other news: I'm mad because I can't watch this yet :<
E: Wait, what? A speedometer? nice
Polo.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kornman00
Race is gonna be so awesome.
yet you'll still somehow ruin it with your pedobear waysQuote:
Originally Posted by annihilation
I'm foaming at the mouth for the Beta
Oh hello there totally not battle rifle that I totally didn't say they wouldn't add in to not suck the cocks of not every MLG cockmongler out there!
Looks pretty good otherwise.
Looks to be some good times. Race has made a triumphant return. See you all in the beta. :3
YESQuote:
Originally Posted by Darqeness
I am liking the new Mongoose where it actually looks like a Quad and not some stupid SMALL thing with no detail at all :/
They are really enjoying the amount of detail they can put into things aint they
Looks awsome + Sage's beard is AWSOME.
OMG... anyone else notice at the end... how frustrating a pre determined assasination animation is gonna be during an objective game when perhaps you're right by the flag and are being shot at? :\
Turn on youtube's captions:Quote:
Originally Posted by flibitijibibo
http://img441.imageshack.us/img441/1276/capturehn.png
So, remember way back when they said that every multiplayer map is featured in some way in campaign?
Look at 3:07. I'd think it's safe to assume there might be some Covenant-themed sections in the single player.
I'd say that's safe to assume... however i wonder why bungie put that in their? Just to tease us? No doubt. It's just strange that they showed us the four beta maps but then had that in randomly in the middle... ANYWAY covenant environments looks sweet in reach.Quote:
Originally Posted by Teltaur
Loved this ViDoc... got me extremely excited, i also loved the enthusiasm shown by the bungie guys!
I do believe that the fifth Covenant-themed map is most likely a 'friends-and-family beta' exclusive, much as Last Resort was for the Halo 3 beta.
That actually put me off.Quote:
Originally Posted by FireDragon04
They seemed so sure they got everything right that something just has to be wrong, the guy who was talking about the sniper rifle and how he was going to be the only competition in the game made me start to lose the will to live the way he seemed so full of himself.
Also, am I the only one who despises that visor their using.
It reminds me of a stainless steel tin or something the way it's so chromatic.
It's cool but, what the fuck they did to the plasma rifle?, look at the minute 1:06 :S
It's not a plasma rifle, it's a Plasma Repeater
Also, about the limited and legendary editions of the game...
Here's the Elite armour set that comes with limited and legendary...
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4004/...9af46dfc5f.jpg
and here's the Spartan armour effect exclusive to the legendary edition:
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4056/...575f378501.jpg
I love the armor colors.
It looks really pure.
E: Nice, flaming armor.
How much is the legendary edition though?
This is Reach, the elites are supposed to be darker, more scary and frightening.
$150Quote:
Originally Posted by annihilation
This vidoc was AMAZING, I'm so pumped to play beta, shame I can only play it like 8th may, handing my dissertation in that week :O
I just have this feeling that armor abilities are going to make me rage in Reach, armor lock in particular. Whatever they do, I hope there will be some sort of 'classic' playlist in the final game with no loadouts and no armor abilities.
Dodging and armor lock are going to be whored out severely.
I can already tell.
Armor lock will be fun:
1. Fire something.
2. They enable lock.
3. Get behind them and wait.
4. Assassinate.
5. ????
6. PROFIT!!!
You're forgetting the part where Armour Lock shoves you away.Quote:
Originally Posted by flibitijibibo
No matter.
Sniper bullet = 1 hit kill. Yay.
How many of you are gonna get the legendary edition?
I might get the limited just because of the art book that comes with it.
I don't know if Reach is gonna be good enough to blow off $150 on.
I've already preordered and paid in full my own Legendary Edition. That statue set looks badass. The fact that it comes paired with Reach is icing on the cake, since I probably would've bought it on its own.
God damnit, now I need to save up $750 this summer...
($600 for my new iPad, $150 for Reach. Probably going to do Reach first.)
I'll get the Limited edition myself. Also whole-heartily agree on certain armor ability whoring.
That would be interesting, could still see some videos on youtube of it, which would be awesome!Quote:
Originally Posted by Sever
SOME SCREEN-GRABS FROM THE ViDOC.
Yes it's me ODX again 'ranting' about animations how horrible boo-who suck it up.Quote:
Originally Posted by FireDragon04
Question: What do you guys think about the arm and how it's more 'realistic' in things such as this sword slash and grenade throws seen at various times?
i fucking love that banshee.
i think i'll save up for the legendary edition... get it this summer
I'm gonna stick with the limited edition, since I know I would never use the flaming helmet, and 150$ will be too much for me, especially since I'll be starting my first year of University in September.
Oh, and that Elite armor sure does look sexy.
Pre-ordered the legendary edition today, £0.00 owed but 2.5% return on my points card at Game.co.uk.:iamafag:
I don't think I can justify the price tag of legendary. I'll probably end up just getting limited instead. However, if the former came with a dev dvd or something then I'd probably look at shelling out the cash. But for now, limited looks to be enough for me
A copy of the soundtrack with legendary wouldn't hurt either... (fun fact: I own the ODST soundtrack, but not ODST)
Yeah, i've got so many points saved on my rewards card from the past 5 years that it reduced the price a fair bit for me, besides some of the stuff in the legendary edition doe's look pretty nice.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kornman00
whats included in the legendary ed anyways besides a sweet ass armor set and the art bewkQuote:
Originally Posted by =sw=warlord
A hand painted 10 pound statue of noble team.Quote:
Originally Posted by sevlag
gawwwd dayumQuote:
Originally Posted by MrBig
Hand painted eh?
Sounds awesome.
I'm still short $50. :smith:
Standard: Game disc and manual.
Limited: Game disc (In special ONI "Black Box"), "Artifact bag" with Dr. Hasley's personal journal and other classified documents which reveal closely held secrets about the Halo universe, and this Elite armor:
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4004/...9af46dfc5f.jpg
Legendary: Game disc (In special ONI "Black Box", which itself is in "UNSC-themed packaging" in the Legendary edition), "Artifact bag", special Elite armor, hand-painted individually numbered 10-pound McFarlane Noble Team Statue, and flaming helmet in multiplayer.
Statue:
Flaming helmet:
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4056/...575f378501.jpg
I'm going to stick with limited edition, aint spending like £100 on a dam game, model and bloody flames...
10 pound hand painted statue.
I would think that, coupled with all the other goodies they give you, is worth the price.
I'm getting Legendary. Going to put the statue right next to my Legendary helmet.
so yeah, seeing the vidoc, I'm also worried about Armor Lock and Evade.
Since apparently Armor Lock can kill another player if they're close enough, it means you have to effectively kill a dude who's using it instantly if you have anything shorter range than a pistol; otherwise the lock wave will hit you and boom dead. Evade looks like the dive roll from Gears, and it looks like it's going to be abused just as horribly.
Most other stuff looks pretty cool though; again, I want theater mode for these particle effects, they are delicious
You can only evade twice, and then you have a recharge timer. I doubt it's going to be spammed THAT much.
And I'm pretty sure the only thing which can kill you from Armor Lock is if the dude remains in the lock for the maximum possible time. Perfect time to get away and peg him from range as soon as he gets out.
Yeah I was guessing that the dude who got murdered by the lock in the vidoc was either dumb or already at low shields. Really I think it could have good application in KOTH, if it's available there. But if a dude locks and you don't have anything save a short-range weapon, it could still be eh. Maybe you'd have time to get in there while he's getting up.
Didn't hear that evade had a recharge timer, so that's good to know
That guy didn't get killed by the armor lock. The emp pushed him back and then he was killed by a grenade.
Legendary will actually be in short supply this time. It won't be like Halo 3's "cat helmet". So I said fuck it and pre-ordered it. Will have to line it up with my cat helmet and 7ft tall MC statue, assuming I don't ebay it off before sept. comes around
oh god so now not only do we have to preorder to get exclusive content, we have to preorder the most expensive fucking thing? no. looking back now, im glad i didnt buy halo 3 legendary because i realized i dont like it anymore. i dont think ill be buying anything but the game this time either.
or do you not have to preorder for the flaming armor and shit?
Pre-ordering is not required to get any of the features any edition includes.
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Originally Posted by Delta4907
The (ingame) features COME with those editions. However, they seem to be hinting that by the time the game hits stores whatever supplies they have then is it. They won't keep making the limited\legendary editions after. However this could just be :words: to make people pre-order now.
I think they said the same thing last time.
I'm just getting the standard this time. The Halo 3 LE held its discs in place with a glued-to-the-metal-case plastic spindle, which came unglued, hitchhiked aboard the disc into the xbox and totally got stuck in it for a month.
Also, I don't believe black boxes are actually black. Makes them hard to find.
Well, when it comes to ONI, I guess they really don't want someone else to find it :P. Probably would use some kind of beacon (radio, light based, etc)
Hey korn, any idea if these armours are just unlocked or are they DLC like the stuff for halo wars?Quote:
Originally Posted by Kornman00
If it's DLC then this could mean we may get DLC armour in the future.
Ask me again after the game goes gold. As of now, there is nothing (I've uncovered) to suggest they'll support new armor features via DLC. I think it's best they just concentrate on new maps afterwords anyway
why the fuck would we buy legendary edition for the statue, we don't even know if we LIKE the characters depicted yet. They could be completely dry and undeveloped douchebags.
This.Quote:
Originally Posted by ICEE
I could see if this was Halo 3 and we knew the characters and how popular it was and how good of a game it would be. (ha)
But this is an entirely new set of characters and shit. I'm not 100% sure if I wanna blow off $150 on something that might end up like ODST where nobody plays it anymore.
Although I doubt no one will play it.
You mean like MC?Quote:
Originally Posted by ICEE
E: nvm
This. I feel a little insulted that people think the players are too stupid to realize that it drains to the middle. And ammo, idgaf, because Any good player reloads when they have downtime and it still displays the same amount of ammo regardless of the icon's orientation.Quote:
Originally Posted by Malloy
Whether its
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its still two.
Pretty much. The difference being that MC developed a fandom over a few games and books, and these guys are just freshly being pulled from bungie's rectums.Quote:
Originally Posted by t3h m00kz
It's not really misleading in terms on stupidity, it's just misleading visually. I can't tell you how many times I thought I had half a chance during a firefight in ODST because it looked like I had a decent amount of health.
Visual brainfucks are best left to stuff like Beat Hazard... :pcgaming:
Just remember that your health doesn't smoothly fade away.
It goes away in chunks.
It's not misleading at all.
And why does it say Ribbit was the last to post but it was really flibitijibibo?
E: oh..........
Yeah, see what they did there? Inferno/sdavis were really dedicated to the idea.
:downs:
ODST just had campaign. This will have both campaign, multiplayer and forge. I'd be willing to bet that they introduce co-op matchmaking for campaign games too this time around too. Reach will be played for years to come by many, many people.Quote:
Originally Posted by annihilation
i don't think ill buy this at all, it isn't on steam...
i could use that statue of noble team to beat my sister when she wants to go on the xbawx
So, in reach, you actually have to press a button to pick up health now. Should make Firefight matches a little easier since you won't accidentally pick one up when you only lost a spec of health :ugh:
I want source of this. That's far too awesome to be let off with a sourceless post.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kornman00
^this is awesome.
First person passenger seat in warthog?
Oh my...
fuck yesQuote:
Originally Posted by =sw=warlord
They better have an option to switch between 3rd person and 1st person.Quote:
Originally Posted by =sw=warlord
By the looks of it from the video, there is no option and there wasn't a weapon in view either.Quote:
Originally Posted by annihilation
We also don't know what the context is. They said it isn't in the beta- that could either mean that the passenger seat has 3rd person view just for the beta, or that what they showed was from a campaign cutscene. Do remember that Bungie is doing a lot more "in-character" cutscenes, veering away from the full out cinematic style. That could be part of one of those scenes. We won't know until the final game, I suppose.
Having seen it in action, a lot of stuff about the new sandbox is annoying me. First of all, all the new Covenant weapons look so god damn similar I can hardly tell one apart from another at a glance. Also, what's the point of having the pistol and the DMR if the former is just a shitty version of the latter? Finally, they took out the SMG but I'm not seeing any kind of point blank bullet spam weapons to replace it, the like of which have existed in every Halo game in some form or another.
The message you have entered is too short. Please lengthen your message to at least 1 characters.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pooky
I knew someone was going to say that. The Reach AR is NOT equivalent to the SMG (To clarify, the Halo 1 AR and Halo 2/3 SMG had virtually no range and an extremely high rate of fire. The assault rifle in Reach appears to have a decent range and not that high a ROF, much like the MA5C), and the Halo 3 AR and SMG were a lot more distinct in functionality than the pistol and DMR in this game seem to be.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rob Oplawar
I'd like to know how the focus rifle, needle rifle, and plasma grenade launching thing are distinct from each other though. They're all roughly the same size, purple, and made up of segmented parts.
