This is by far the dumbest arguement you guys have ever had. Just stop caring about this damn game if the dedicated servers are gone, YOU WONT MAKE A DIFFERENCE
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This is by far the dumbest arguement you guys have ever had. Just stop caring about this damn game if the dedicated servers are gone, YOU WONT MAKE A DIFFERENCE
I fucking called it!Quote:
Originally Posted by =sw=warlord
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Originally Posted by rossmum
How about those of you who don't care about or use dedicated servers often stop bitching at us because we want something that is standard on almost all PC FPS games. If you don't care that's fine, but why are you getting so angry that we do?Quote:
Originally Posted by Rosco
Dedicated servers are provably more effective, more reliable, and more community oriented than matchmaking. Always have been.
You don't need to post in this thread if all you're going to do is tell us from your "high horse of maturity" that we're taking this too seriously, especially if dedicated servers never meant anything to you. There are people who value these features, so let us have a discussion on a forum even if it makes no difference.
I think IW made a huge mistake from taking out modding capabilities and removing dedicated servers. For the people who are telling others that its not a big deal and to quit bitching, allow people to have their opinion. So pretty much, stop posting.
:allears:Quote:
Originally Posted by Trulife8342
What happened to the pics?
I don't know why people are complaining so much about the modding capabilities. The modding scene for COD4 wasn't that great as far as I can tell.
mods that let u alter the way weapons and gametypes worked, that was huge.Quote:
Originally Posted by 343guiltymc
Good things come to those who wait lolQuote:
Originally Posted by fullmore12
Think mods as in server side mods. Examples: Most TF2 MARIO KART servers, TF2 PropHunt (which is fun as shit when you can find a server slot).Quote:
Originally Posted by 343guiltymc
Because listing by ping and picking a server with a map you like is SO FUCKING HARD they automated it.Quote:
When you want to player a multiplayer game on PC, in the past. You’d have to scroll through a Server Browser which listed every available server which was hosted by individual server admins. Each had their own private rules, mods, or ways of playing the game. Most players would also use the server browser to find just the best quality game (based on PING). With IWNET matchmaking, it takes all that into account for you.
Original zombie mod (think NoKIX still has his sever), zombie mods 1.20-1.51 by novemberdobby, promod, sniper mod, paintball mod, freeze tag mod, aliens mod, BTD zombie mod....Quote:
Originally Posted by 343guiltymc
And A shitload of pretty decent custom maps.
The starwars mod is enough to make the mod kit worth developing.
^ Truth.
was that ever released?Quote:
Originally Posted by Inferno
Must be some big pics; it's taken 2 days to post them :woop:Quote:
Originally Posted by Trulife8342
System Requirements
OS: Microsoft Windows XP, Windows Vista and Windows 7 (Windows 95/98/ME/2000 are unsupported)
Processor: Intel Pentium 4 3.2 GHz or AMD Athlon 64 3200+ processor or better supported
Memory: 1 GB RAM
Graphics: 256 MB NVIDIA GeForce 6600GT or better or ATI Radeon 1600XT or better
DirectX: Microsoft DirectX(R) 9.0c
Hard Drive: 12GB of free hard drive space
Sound: 100% DirectX 9.0c compatible sound card
Internet: Broadband connection required for Multiplayer Connectivity. Internet Connection required for activation
Official system requirements. Add the dedicated servers Infinity Ward and I'll buy it :p
fags play cod, sorry guys.
What do you play, Halo? :v:Quote:
Originally Posted by paladin
Yeah, Im hardcore.
What no dedi servers?:S
Dude, you're about 1 week and 10 pages too late.
I know </3
Busy like hell..
PC Gamers Unite.
Cancel Your PC MW2 Preorders Today!
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Originally Posted by Freelancer
This, hell this.
You guys are bunch of bitches. Its a god damn game.
You really like the idea that they can screw with us all they want and still make money with a shit product? I'm mostly a console gamer, but I love and enjoy the fact on the pc I can go and play any game type I want on any map with alot of people. Instead on the console version I need to build up a friends list to play (most of them play Halo) the gametypes I want, or wait a fuckload million years on match making to play my favorite map. (which I haven't encountered it for the past 3 days on MW1 ) So yeah fuck this decision.Quote:
Originally Posted by paladin
Also its going to get them in the ass when the game gets a more popular IWnet-less version that has a custom server browser of some sort, and at the end it will probably be a warez release.
Says the guy on a game modding forum.Quote:
Originally Posted by paladin
But am I complaining that a game is not going have certain features that id like? No.
I fail to understand why so many people are deeming the protesters, PC gamers in particular, to be immature simply because they want a higher quality product. What if Bungie had decided to remove matchmaking from Halo 3? People will always complain when they're getting an inferior product.Quote:
Originally Posted by paladin
Lemme put it in a simple analogy that I think fits the issue. Dedicated servers are to PC gaming what community forums are to websites.
There is no good reason for Infinity Ward to remove dedicated servers (which is a standard) from arguably the most anticipated game of the year other than to force PC players to conform to the standards of the console and get charged for DLC. The whole thing smacks of money grubbing, which is interesting because they're alienating a sizable portion of their fanbase and potentially losing millions (which, granted, pales in comparison to the massive onslaught of sales they'll get from console gamers).
No matter how you look at it though, the move is a swift and powerful kick in the nuts to the core fanbase that made Infinity Ward into the company it is today.
You guys need to realize that you are in the 'hardcore' gaming social group. You account for maybe 25% of the market. The other 75% DON'T GIVE A FUCK about what you're ranting about. And quite obviously Infinity Ward doesn't either.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jean-Luc
Continue your little strike. When the game comes out Ill let you know how awesome it is.
Get the fuck over it.
^ Your post, disrespectful and biased, has not swayed my opinion.
I've yet to see mature, unbiased arguments from either side so far.
I think they should just have both AND the modding tools and make everyone fucking happy.
Here's the difference between reasonings.
You (the people protesting or whatever) see it as a game to play.
Infinity Ward sees is as a product to sell.
They are not going to change part of a game to satisfy a small portion of its player base when a majority of players don't give a fuck. Its simple business, and that's ALL this is.
because people don't care, does it make it right :l?
Good companys don't try to milk money out of there player base. They try to please them.
Like valve or bungie.
Not all are like them.
Regardless of what my opinion is, fact is people obviously want these features, and IW is refusing to implement said features.
Yes, companies see it as a product to sell, and gamers see it as a game to play. The companies want to make money, and the players want to spend their money on good games. The best way to get a game to sell is to have a game that people will want to buy play. If a company makes a bad decision, their product is not going to sell as well. If they don't listen to what gamers want, their company will build up a bad rep and people will begin to avoid their products. Then the company begins to lose money.
Christ Paladin, if you don't care about this, why the fuck are you so angry at the people who do give a damn?
You can say "It's a god damn game" all you want, but last I checked gamers have every right to protest a decision they don't agree with. Call it immature all you want, this is about way more than Modern Warfare 2. Most PC gamers I know are terrified that what Activision/Infinity Ward are doing here will become a standard later on.
Also, it's not like we're demanding some random feature that they would have to dream up how to do. This is stuff that was in every Call of Duty game for the PC to date. They fully stated that it is possible to have both match making and server browsers, but one of the top guys said it would divide the community. I don't see how you could do that anymore since the whole console vs PC gaming would overshadow it by a huge margin, as usual. He'd rather destroy a massive portion of the existing COD community, not to mention a monstrous amount of IW sales, to prevent us players from hurting ourselves. This guy is clearly doesn't understand how to make games, nor how to sell them.
dedicated servers or not, i will still be getting this :raise:
I might end up playing the SP. But until the custom server browser and dedicated server hack comes out on TPB I'm not playing the MP.
I'll rent this from my local Video Rental Store for the 360, but I probably won't buy it. If IW releases a patch that adds dedicated servers to the game (or a 3rd party developer releases a "patch") I will happily buy it for the PC.
I'll be getting it to play the SP and I'll try out the matchmaking just to see what it's like, but I won't buy it unless server browsers are made available. I didn't know you could hack a server browser into the game.
People didn't think you could hack H2V to run on XP and have MP. It happened.
CoD6 will be a lot more popular than H2V so you can expect something like that to happen.
Bungie and Recon.Quote:
Originally Posted by paladin
A small minority kicked and screamed and scratched.
I guess this is the kind of opinion that hiredgun thought they would get when halo2vista came out, simple business no need to optimise the game no need to fix any bugs and certainly no need to make it enjoyable as long as it sells thats fine isnt it?
H2V Editing Kit is a perfect example. What happened with the editor? Nothing.Quote:
Originally Posted by t3h m00kz
Me too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ki11a_FTW
Trust me. Bungie has always intended on allowing the gen pop to acquire recon eventually. In fact, I had a nice hour long discussion with two employees at pax, and recon was the topic for about 25 minutes. People might think that it was from popular demand, but it wasn't.Quote:
Originally Posted by =sw=warlord
Like always, stop bitching.
The Recon thing has no place here. You can't compare the two situations. Recon is simply visual and it's alright to have it come out later. However, you couldn't possible think that IW would hold out on a server browser just to release it later. I'm not saying you think that, paladin.Quote:
Originally Posted by paladin
An arbitrary $10 price increase and the removal of most of a games replay value = no sell for me. Unless IWNet is truly revolutionary instead of being a Halo 3 knockoff, I cannot justify spending $60 on the game. The singleplayer alone simply isn't worth that price.
In short, if you still want the game, nobody is stopping you from purchasing it. If you don't want the game anymore, nobody should be stopping you from asking Infinity Ward to put dedicated servers in addition to IWNet.
Look at UT3 and Halo CE and Nox and Starcraft and EE and so many other games where the modding community has DRASTICALLY extended the life of a game.Quote:
Originally Posted by paladin
You're taking what I said to answer someone else's comment out of context. Paraphrasing: Warlord comment Bungie released recon because a small group kicked, screamed, and complained about not being able to unlock it. My answer was to his comment about a publisher giving in to small group. (Which they didn't) I suggest you process the information you read before you post about it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Amit
And look how bad the game bombed.Quote:
Originally Posted by paladin
Seriously. Halo 2 Vista would be as popular as Halo CE if they had a good editing kit.Quote:
Originally Posted by t3h m00kz
And yet look at which game is still played.
Halo 2 Vista would have sold great if it wasn't a terrible port and vista exclusive.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jean-Luc
That and better anti-cheat protection.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jean-Luc
e: but this topic is about MW2, disregard this post!
IW is not going to compromise on the modding aspect of the argument. Blame the ESA not them.
hmm? Regular halo has much more people than CE to this day and there are no mods for that other than little piddly shit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Inferno
thread still full of mad kiddies
welp, nothing new then
I will enjoy pirating this game when it's released if nothing is done about the current multiplayer state!
I don't care so much about the lack of editing tools, as I never really liked or saw that many good CoD4 mods/maps, the lack of a server browser and dedicated servers takes the thought of supporting the developers out of the picture. It's unfortunate because I'm sure I'd have no problems supporting the developers responsible for everything except the multiplayer interface.
boom babe, exactly what i said.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jean-Luc
it's setting a precedent that is worse for consumers anyway you slice it.
SPOILER ALERT!!!!!!! Leaked Intro Gameplay.
Infinity Ward is certainly being ballsy here. Wonder how this will be recieved.
:smugsome: shaky cam
Another controversy involing MW2..........
Yeah, but this controversy seems to actually have a legitimate and defensible purpose.
I would say leaving something as large as no server browser to the last couple of weeks before release to be quite legitimate.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jean-Luc
That video was legitimately disturbing. IW better have one fucking awesome game to have forced me to...Quote:
Originally Posted by Jean-Luc
I wonder if you can just follow and not shoot anything in that part.
Removing the server browser/dedicated servers is neither a good idea nor a defensible one.Quote:
Originally Posted by =sw=warlord
I'd be fully willing to bet the entire point of that mission is to make the player uncomfortable and outraged. Yes, I find it uncomfortable, but I find it groundbreaking as a storytelling device.Quote:
Originally Posted by Amit
Hmm...that's an interesting insight.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jean-Luc
Well, you are playing as the bad guys while killing civilians in that scene, just take a look at the clothing they're wearing.
For example:
Is it true that it'll be a paid-for product updates for the PC? Was PC version like that before?
You mean paid dlc?
I've heard that dlc on pc will not be free, unlike previous games.
Also, mw2 has a thirdperson mode.
OH NO FPS GAMES ARE UNDER THREAT!!!!! FUCK INFINITY WARD BOYCOTT ERRY DAY
IAWTPQuote:
Originally Posted by rossmum
haha now imagine if you were being sarcastic~
Full airport video *SPOILERS*
I actually felt a little sick. :sick:
Brave move by Activision/Infinity Ward though, and I applaud them for it.
I hope IW is being DDoS'd right now. It would be THE FUNNIEST SHIT if their matchmaking server was attacked. Heh, no multiplayer for anyone! That's what happens when you have a single massive point of failure with no fallback.
Video removed
Damn, Activision moves quick. Would somebody kindly provide a host? I've got the video on my hard drive :-3
Send me the video, and I'll have it uploaded somewhere special
:3
http://www.megavideo.com/?v=NJ40CXC0
there you go :)
Australia gets butthurt over the massacre simulation
:lmao: Oh Michael Atkinson you silly bitch.Quote:
"The consequences of terrorism are just abhorrent in our community and yet here we are with a product that's meant to be passed off as a leisure time activity, actually promoting what most world leaders speak out publicly against," said Roberts, who is also the principal policy officer in Western Australia's Department of Premier and Cabinet.
"We understand that it's a game but ... we're not far off when you look at the images that you could actually put it on a Channel Nine news report and you'd think maybe that is real.
"If that material was on the internet about how to become a terrorist, how to join a group and how to wipe out people - that would be removed because it would not be acceptable."
One of Australia's most ardent campaigners against violent video games and the main reason this country lacks an R18+ rating, South Australian Attorney-General Michael Atkinson, said: "Expecting game designers to be responsible by not glorifying terrorism will always lead to disappointment."
ugh they're not glorifying it you dickwad
CONSERVATIVES :argh:
Australia should start a civil war and make a new country led by johnny depp in a pirate costume :]
I'm playing this right now in sp atm, and all I have to say is.... damn this owns.
Lol, leaked already?
Yeah. :D
lol console fps.
wait, HOLY SHIT. I will bet anyone, ANYONE that it will be banned in Australia. See, it's this kind of shit that makes people turn to violence, not playing violent video games.
I bet it dosn't get banned out of pure spite.Quote:
Originally Posted by Phobias
The media is dropping such a dramabomb over the airport scene.
Kinda spoilers below, but not really unless you are so hardcore about spoilers that you haven't even watched any trailers... (Actually, there's not even any plot below, and a LOT less than the trailers ever exposed.)
I just want to jump in here with my early review of Modern Warfare 2 and say that this game is not even worth the SP if you're looking for an expansion on the first game. After playing though it for about 5 hours and beating it, I was left thinking "Are you shitting me? This is it?"
I do have to say that the action and combat is beyond any other game I've played, with more shocking and unexpected happenings than any game I've seen before. They really deviated from the norm and did certain things which leave you thinking, "HOLY SHIT! I CAN'T BELIEVE THEY DID THAT!" That said, I was extremely disappointed by the lack of any significant story like the first game had.
What I mean by this is, in the first game, you would have an objective such as "Raid the safe house and find Al-Asad," which then clues you in to what will happen next, who you are looking for, and what you are looking for. With MW2, your objective will be something such as "capture person x," and then you will proceed on with the game as a different person in a completely different part of the world doing something completely unrelated, all without even finding out what that person knew.
The game ends nowhere close to what the trailers described or even on any note of progress. After the trailers, I expected that this was a war against Makarov and goal was to track this guy down, unraveling the story, and flushing out everyone he works with. That's not what the game was about. By the end of the game, you are not any closer to ending the war than you were at the end of Modern Warfare 1. In fact, the only time you see him is during the airport scene, and you hear him once more on your radio closer to the end. You just spend time fighting the endless waves of enemies in different locations, but you never make any progress. I expected a game where the story expanded on the attacks happening, just like the first one. In this game, the only explanation behind the attacks is what you get at the very beginning, when Makarov shoots up the airport.
It seems that Infinity Ward realized they made a hit and now they just want to milk the series out for as long as they can. Modern Warfare 2 just spins its wheels in place so they can make a third game and maybe a fourth. The only plot that gets finished by the end of the game is one that lasted two missions. I could say it's like Halo 2, but that game was longer and actually made the Halo series much deeper than we thought. So, instead I'll say this game is like Crysis. What made Modern Warfare such a fantastic game, in my opinion, was the perfect mix of a great story (despite being short) and fun gameplay. I LOVED Modern Warfare, and I didn't buy two copies of that game for its multiplayer. This game feels A LOT more like the pre-Modern Warfare Call of Duty series. It's all about "intense, hardcore, realistic" fighting, not about the story.
Graphics, sound, and music were great. However, I don't count that as a selling point of a game. You could argue graphics sell a game, but frankly, there's more important stuff than that. If you want my opinion, they are basically on par with Modern Warfare.
Because the PC multiplayer is butchered and the game lacks a story, I'm going to say this absolutely did not live up to the first game. On the PC side, unless the multiplayer can pan out to be insane (which is doubtful with the lack of dedicated servers), my rating for this game is a 3/10 (even that is being generous, kept up only by some awesome fight scenes). Although that rating is based on singleplayer only, I'll say that with MP, it could probably go up to a 5 or 6 out of 10. It's still lacking and the removal of dedicated servers didn't help my opinion of this game either.
In general, if you were looking for a thrilling story, the game didn't live up to its hype. I guess if you're into matchmaking multiplayer and you were really looking forward to the sticky grenades and CTF, then this game could be for you. As for me, I'm extremely critical when it comes to stories, and this game didn't deliver.
I've heard from Trulife that the SP definitely doesn't live up to the hype. That, coupled with the dumbed down PC multiplayer (and $60 price tag) = no purchase from me. What a shame :saddowns:Quote:
Originally Posted by jcap
Damn.......Why is it that the one game I looking forward to buying each year always not live up to its hype?
I'm going to play through it then decide if I want to buy it.
Maybe they will fix the dedi's in a patch.
lmaoQuote:
Originally Posted by Inferno
Oh right.
Maybe they will fix the dedis in a 15$ patch.
Consolization of PC gaming.
I love how three pages of "JIZZ I LOVE THIS GAME" and now it's "FFFFF"
Going to enjoy playing it on XBL, the way games should be played. B)
LOL. Have fun playing with XxXSmokezWeedz420XxX and XxXSexBitchesWeedXxX and XxX420WeedSmokezXxX and every other 12 year old screaming kiddie on Xbox Live.Quote:
Originally Posted by Atty
That's what happens when you spoonfeed the fans all the good stuff about a game, leaving out everything that would make it bomb.Quote:
Originally Posted by Atty
Now that we have our hands on it, their bubble has burst.
What is it with people and whoring the phrase 'dumbed down' so fucking much? You people don't know SHIT about the multiplayer yet, so maybe you should all just get over yourselves.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jean-Luc