The Official CMT SPv2 Promotion Items Thread (new pics as of 8-25-07)

If the magazine capacity has to be an odd number, it's usually something with a 5. Even number ftw.

Odd numbers would normally mean one is chambered. If it's going to be that, then it would be nine; eight in the magazine, one in the chamber. However, I prefer 8 rounds, and not including one for chamber (so you can't top it off).

Personally, I'd reserve the "7" for Forerunner devices or storytelling instruments.

I believe that the Halo Shotgun is supposed to be dual-feed like the Neostead Shotgun we have nowadays (google it): Two over-barrel tubes having 6 each. although it's also supposed to be 8-gauge, which is like 40mm grenade size. I find it hard to believe that 12 shells squeeze in there.

got a point there. there big ass shells... they have hippos on em

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Originally Posted by 3xDistilled

I believe that the Halo Shotgun is supposed to be dual-feed like the Neostead Shotgun we have nowadays (google it): Two over-barrel tubes having 6 each. although it's also supposed to be 8-gauge, which is like 40mm grenade size. I find it hard to believe that 12 shells squeeze in there.

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8-gauge? Really? Hm.

Also, 8-gauge is not 40mm grenade sized. No shotgun shell is that big. I know that a 4-gauge is sometimes used as a boat-mounted turret in duck hunting, and even that most likely isn't 40mm size.

Here's a few 8 gauge shells by a 12 gauge.
http://www.cannon-mania.com/Images/8gauge.gif

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Originally Posted by Explosive American

8-gauge? Really? Hm.

Also, 8-gauge is not 40mm grenade sized. No shotgun shell is that big. I know that a 4-gauge is sometimes used as a boat-mounted turret in duck hunting, and even that most likely isn't 40mm size.

Here's a few 8 gauge shells by a 12 gauge.
http://www.cannon-mania.com/Images/8gauge.gif

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Wow, those are some big shells.:eek:

Considering that 23mm is roughly 4-gauge (used in a Russian riot shotgun, the KS-23, firing less-lethal rounds up to solid steel slugs), it is definitive that 8-gauge is most certainly not 40mm.

Even though the description in the manual states that the M90 is "dual-tubular," it could be that Bungie had no idea what they were talking about, and thought that dual-tubular meant barrel+tube magazine. The design of the M90 does not lend itself to believe that it is dual tubular. It appears single tubed, and given the size of the 8-gauge round, it is only realistic to assume that it is indeed single tubed.

It's double tubed. Take a close look at the magazine on the top of the gun. It's wide enough to fit two 12-gauge shells side-by-side. I really think that they made a serious mistake labeling it an 8-gauge.

Like I said, it's too narrow to fit an 8-gauge side-by-side. I think they meant to call it 8-gauge, but made a mistake by calling it dual-tubular and giving it 12 rounds. So, I am happy with the magazine cut in Halo 3.

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Originally Posted by Warsaw

Like I said, it's too narrow to fit an 8-gauge side-by-side. I think they meant to call it 8-gauge, but made a mistake by calling it dual-tubular and giving it 12 rounds. So, I am happy with the magazine cut in Halo 3.

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No, no. The magazine is far too wide to be single-tubular. It would need it to fit 12 shells of any known gauge in there. I just think the mistake was with calling it 8-gauge. The barrel isn't even wide enough for an 8-gauge shell front end to fit inside. If you look at the Halo 3 shotgun, the magazine is narrower. That would explain its 6 round capacity.

Course we could toss all this aside and say that this takes place in a fictional future where the weapons don't make sense. Remember the whole 15 rps thing with the AR?

I dont know what the Halo 3 Shotgun is like. Info anyone???

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Originally Posted by Explosive American

No, no. The magazine is far too wide to be single-tubular. It would need it to fit 12 shells of any known gauge in there. I just think the mistake was with calling it 8-gauge. The barrel isn't even wide enough for an 8-gauge shell front end to fit inside. If you look at the Halo 3 shotgun, the magazine is narrower. That would explain its 6 round capacity.

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Judge the barrel's gauge when a marine is using it, not the Master Chief. Of course it is going to look small on the Chief.
Also, the way it is loaded does not match a dual-tubular design. A system inside that allocates the shells to one side or the other would theoretically be too complex and prone to breakage.

Ok, who cares if it is 8-gauge or 12-gauge, it still kicks ass and gets the job done.

wait, in Spv2, are you guys (CMT) gonna use the h3 style/skin and audio/bullet effects?

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Originally Posted by TrU7H

wait, in Spv2, are you guys (CMT) gonna use the h3 style/skin and audio/bullet effects?

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They are probably going to use their own sounds and stuff, but who knows?

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Originally Posted by Warsaw

Judge the barrel's gauge when a marine is using it, not the Master Chief. Of course it is going to look small on the Chief.
Also, the way it is loaded does not match a dual-tubular design. A system inside that allocates the shells to one side or the other would theoretically be too complex and prone to breakage.

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Judging by the scale of the gun itself, it doesn't look 8-gauge. Plus, 3rd person models in Halo are scaled up, even when marines are holding them. As for the impracticality of a system to allocate shells to either tube, come on. It's a video game, and it's set in the future. If it's dual tubular with a single loading port, then it's dual tubular with a single loading port.

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Originally Posted by Ralex123

I dont know what the Halo 3 Shotgun is like. Info anyone???

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Somewhere between the H1 shotgun and the H2 shotgun. Slightly more range and power than the H2 shotgun, but slightly less than the H1 shotgun. 6 shots.

Think of the Halo 2 shotgun, now change the sights from green back to blue, and add a laser sight (I have no idea why Bungie put this on) on the left side in between the magazine and barrel.

I can't find a picture of a marine holding a shotgun, but looking at the size comparison in-game, the shotgun is almost as long as he is tall. There's no way it is 12-gauge. It has to be at least 10-gauge.

http://img185.imageshack.us/img185/9...ingportfu7.jpg
That is the shot gun's loading port bitmap--no modifications. I extracted and uploaded. Now, tell me you don't see "8 guage" =p. That settles that.

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Originally Posted by Warsaw

Think of the Halo 2 shotgun, now change the sights from green back to blue, and add a laser sight (I have no idea why Bungie put this on) on the left side in between the magazine and barrel.

I can't find a picture of a marine holding a shotgun, but looking at the size comparison in-game, the shotgun is almost as long as he is tall. There's no way it is 12-gauge. It has to be at least 10-gauge.

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Remember, scaled up in third person.

Rooster, we're not talking about whether it says 8-gauge or not, we're talking about how the heck it could be 8-gauge.

Besides, I know the loading port in game is bigger than that!

I wonder if they made any changes to the AR since we played tensity and stuff.

@Explosive American: It's still the same model on both the Chief and the marines though, and I'd go by the third-person model before the first-person because it actually seems more realistic size-wise.

okay.....CMT, I recently watched an old video of your beta tests on Coagulation and Cliffrun Alpha 1

(This is an "oh GOD!!!" post): and I noticed nere the end of the video, I saw MC holding YOUR current sword from SPv2 and I was wondering if you actually put the Sword FP animations into SPv2, just wondering on that cause...I would like to try that swords out on a cheat bump possession...=\

and That map Cliffrun, is it no longer in progresss? I found it to look like a fun and very strategic map. Whoever thought of it was pretty smart on gameplay...

and what happened to That Covie Map with the shield you could walk through but no other object could get through it? kinda a desert map. I LOVE THAT MAP!!! and I wish to see it around soon...and whats happening with Snowtorn Cove?

since there's no update on MP maps, my head has dosed off to your earliests and greatest works in the making...so, I've been kinda wondering about this. I think you guys said you'd get back to working on them when you're done with SPv2 but...since H2V is out and all and you guys said you'd be going at it on there once it comes out, what's going on with these MP maps?

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(This is an "oh GOD!!!" post): and I noticed nere the end of the video, I saw MC holding YOUR current sword from SPv2 and I was wondering if you actually put the Sword FP animations into SPv2, just wondering on that cause...I would like to try that swords out on a cheat bump possession...=\

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I have said it before and I will say it again. We will not put in any content that is not needed.

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Originally Posted by Warsaw

@Explosive American: It's still the same model on both the Chief and the marines though, and I'd go by the third-person model before the first-person because it actually seems more realistic size-wise.

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I dunno. They look extremely big, and way out of proportion in 3P. They're made easier to see, so you have an easier time finding and picking them up. I'm pretty sure it's been established that 3P models are upscaled. Anyone want to back that up?

Why is there no update yet???:(

^Cause your a noob, and you dont follow instructions, and you dont take the time to think about what you read. So no update for you. No cookie either.
Revord

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Originally Posted by Revord

^Cause your a noob, and you dont follow instructions, and you dont take the time to think about what you read. So no update for you. No cookie either.
Revord

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Well sorry for pissing you off. I haven't seen where anyone said anything about no update. If you would be so kind to show me.:fuckoff:

They said that they will have an update whenever they have something to show.

CMT is going to make two more maps (names fail me), according to =KOH= Will. I think I am being accurate, but I might be wrong. Back me up if I am plz.

cmt had an energy sword in their earlier maps? odd...

Sweet, and I hope it is something AWESOME!!!!

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Originally Posted by Explosive American

I dunno. They look extremely big, and way out of proportion in 3P. They're made easier to see, so you have an easier time finding and picking them up. I'm pretty sure it's been established that 3P models are upscaled. Anyone want to back that up?

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They are upscaled, yes (I've seen the two side-by-side somewhere, I don't remember where exactly though), but not horrendously so. The most noticeable thing as that it was slightly longer in third person, but the other dimensions were largely the same.

Bah, this is a debate that could go on for ages. I think I'll just simply say :iiam:.

its larger in thirdperson for a reason, if it wasnt then it would be hard to tell who was holding what weapon in game, also, theyre bigger on the ground to make it easier to tell what weapon your picking up

Juat a quick reminder.
NO ENERGY SWORDS IN SPv2!!
Thank You.

okay, Ralex....we already fucking know this stop saying it. My question about the Energy sword was already answered. Next time, don't say something we already know? Kay? Kay.

Thank You.

He wouldn't if people didn't keep asking/assuming/implying there are certain things in the game that really aren't there or are not going to be there and have already been confirmed/denied ten times already.

i mentioned the cmt energy sword, because there IS one apparently, though it isnt reappearing in cmtspv2, it was made. idk what map its in though

I think you are refering to CMT_Coagulation mb?

you sure it was in cmt coag? i dont remember a sword there

I do. It was horrible, like almost all of the other weapons in Coagulation. The only respectable one, in my humble opinion, was the M7 SMG.

wait is this the recent coagulation_ce? or an earlier one?

Eh? This is the one that CMT released back when it was known as "Coagulation Map Team" instead of "Custom Map Team" and during the period when they ripped Halo 2 content almost exclusively.

well im going to have to check it out. for kicks if nothing else.. lol well wherever they began they came a long way

i look in the cmt halo pc threads, continuously hoping that masters will post at least another pic or video on spv2, but nothing for almost 15 days!

well he has had issues with his computer... meaning he busted it.

Oh yes the ole CMT coag map.......that was a nightmare to play. The HUD was ugly.......textures subpar......rocket hogs using recolored guass hogs..........and noone can forget the faithful BR used in it *shudder*.

Yah CMT's come a long way.

Though I still think its better then the old Zanziber map.......

I remember they used to be called "The Conservation Map Team", lol.

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Originally Posted by Ralex123

I remember they used to be called "The Conservation Map Team", lol.

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Uhh...when?

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Originally Posted by Archon23

Though I still think its better then the old Zanziber map.......

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Why do people badmouth Zanzibar? That map is a classic.

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Originally Posted by Ralex123

I remember they used to be called "The Conservation Map Team", lol.

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I think the word you are looking for is "Conversion."

Conversion and conservation are very, VERY different.

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Originally Posted by Dole

Why do people badmouth Zanzibar? That map is a classic.

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Because the one on ce was laggy as fuck.

Are you talking about H2CE's Zanzibar (too lazy to read the previous page)? That map ran smoothly for me.

It may have something to do with your Computer RAM and memory in the CE Folder. It ran fine on 1 GB for me

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Originally Posted by =EP_T33KUP

Because the one on ce was laggy as fuck.

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It depends on the host. For me, 90% of the time it runs perfectly.

The REALLY old Zanzibar which was released before Halo 2 Xbox?

Zanzibar first appeared on xbox then pc.

NO SHIT?!

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Originally Posted by ironclad

NO SHIT?!

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Constipation?

Drink more water; eat more fiber. :)

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Originally Posted by KennyownsU

Zanzibar first appeared on xbox then pc.

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Correction:

It first appeared on the Xbox, was first playable in CE, then was playable on Xbox.

:win:

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Originally Posted by ironclad

NO SHIT?!

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This is what he posted.

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Originally Posted by DrunkenSamus

The REALLY old Zanzibar which was released before Halo 2 Xbox?

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That confused me. So just cool it.

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Originally Posted by CtrlAltDestroy

Constipation?

Drink more water; eat more fiber. :)

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bah worry bout yourself m8. but its just like... duh zanzibar came out on h2 first.

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Originally Posted by ironclad

bah worry bout yourself m8. but its just like... duh zanzibar came out on h2 first.

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Incorrect.

how so? tell me and i rep you :)

Zanzibar CE was released before Halo 2 was available to the public.

That is strange that a map is made from ripped content not even released yet. lol.

yeah. oh well
reps for dole

Uh, no. It was made from scratch. Get your facts straight.

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Originally Posted by KennyownsU

That is strange that a map is made from ripped content not even released yet.

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It was a fully custom map based off of E3 2004 and various other reference trailers, and the H2CE team was comprised of such CE luminaries as:

• NiTrOuSoXiDe
• Mrs. Doublefire
• ZexGX
• Kornman
• Supreme Taco
• Rec0
• NeuroKoNeza
• Lightning

And maybe KiLLa and one or two others. I just know that the eight people I listed were definitely on the team.

They did a damn good job to make that map look as good as it does.

That's why I can't understand why it gets badmouthed so much.

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That confused me. So just cool it.[/quote]

Uh....I'm not yelling or anything. I was pretty cool when I posted that so...bleh.

they did do a good job but still... zanzibar is kinda boring

While we're talking about the H2CE mapping team, I was thinking that it would be cool if somebody remade New Mombassa for Halo 2.

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Originally Posted by KennyownsU

Zanzibar first appeared on xbox then pc.

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However, it was first played on PC, then XBOX.

Well... first played on PC by people outside of Bungie. >_>

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Originally Posted by Hotrod

While we're talking about the H2CE mapping team, I was thinking that it would be cool if somebody remade New Mombassa for Halo 2. Now, we should really get back on topic.

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Considering Nitrous is on HG, it's probably already done.

But then again, Nitrous released another New Mombasa map called Earth City (it's available for download over at Halomaps in the Halo 2 maps section).

Neuro...?

I mean Nitrous, bad typo there, I was thinking about something else.

I meant a conversion of the one in Halo CE, so it would have the same layout and textures (maybe better textures).

But make it a little smaller. It was way too big on HCE.

Nonsense...you just rarely had enough people to make it fun.

It wasn't that it was just so damn big. Took forever to get to the other base.

What's the rush in getting to the other base? The point of the map was to kill people and have fun.

Apparently the only variant that I played on that maps was CTF, but never slayer. Its been awhile since I played on that map tho.

CTF was the best ever on that map, especially if you were the guy who went up the teleport and sniped...just watch the kill count rise... :)

Sorry for that mistake teh lag. I have played HCE Zanzibar, sometimes it is good, but it can gett boring if it is by yourself. Oh well, I just liked using the energy sword to get to the top of the map to snipe and get the gravity rifle. Fun.

Sorry about this but when is the next update comming, its been longer that half a month since the last one. Also not to be a pain or anything , but will spv2 be finished this year or next year?

Don't ask for updates, they'll give us some when they are ready. Spv2 will probably come out soon. Last I heard, they were around 75% done.

*cough 70% cough* (masterz said on a diff forum)

Didn't he say 75%? I must have made a mistake.

needs moar updates.

Needs more CORRECT SPELLING.

Also, update whenever the hell we feel like it. :cool:

They'll udate it whenever they want, or when they actually have stuff to show us. It could be a month from now, maybe a year, or when were all rolling in our graves. :D

nah some of the cmt are probably older too. if were rolling in ours, they could be rotting in theirs.

heres a question that cant be answered with "whenever the hell we feel like" (lol), how long has this project been going on? i heard of it fairly recently...

It's been going on since they felt like doing it...:p.

ehhh

it´s so quiet and cold out here...

I need an update. We can't get one for a while though....

oh man...only 70 percent.....and they say it'll come out by the 25th of this month?.....