yeah but you didn't make a billion alts and troll for sympathy and shitOriginally Posted by Heathen
also lag what can i do?
yeah but you didn't make a billion alts and troll for sympathy and shit
also lag what can i do?
meh, I made about half a dozen alts before finding other things to do and then finally coming back.
*spits earl grey all over sensitive electronics*
i accidentally did that once, my video card was not best pleased, and started tripping out all over the place
luckily after drying it off and restarting it was fine
Amway and "World Wide Group": Legit MLM or Total Pyramid Scheme? You decide.
Note that it costs $125 to create a site, $50 monthly to have access to services, and you pay an undisclosed amount to attend seminars and buy "business support materials" if you are a member, which they highly encourage, nay, pressure you into. Plus, your profits depend on how many people you recruit, how many people they recruit, etc. And their site, www.wwdb.com, provides very little tangible info that I can find, even using the guest login (see transcript below).
The Amway site provides information leading me to believe they are a technically legitimate and legal business, although it remains to be seen whether or not their are still scamming the fuck out of their "partners".
By the way, I used the Pseudonym "Tyler" here, not really sure why. Perhaps I was subconsciously thinking of Mr. Durden?
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Lenny: Hello Tyler. This is Lenny, how can I help you today?
Tyler: Hi, I was wondering if you could tell me a bit more about World Wide Group, or if you just answer website questions
Lenny: I am here for technical support, are you an IBO?
Tyler: ibo?
Tyler: i don't know what that means, so I'll assume i'm not
Tyler: can you put me in touch with somebody who can tell me more about the business?
Lenny: How did you find out about our website?
Tyler: a friend of mine invited me to a seminar last night
Lenny: I suggest you get in contact with them, they will be able to answer any questions you have.
Tyler: well, they're busy right now so i was looking for someone else to fill me in
Lenny: That is the best resource for information, sorry.
Tyler: i see
Tyler: can you offer me any assurance whatsoever that this isn't the most clear-cut case of a pyramid scheme i have ever seen in my life?
Lenny: It is not a pyramid scheme, it is a Free Enterprise business model.
Tyler: i see
Tyler: and the membership fees? the "business support materials"? the bonuses based on recruitment?
Lenny: Premier membership is $49.95 per month and basic is $5 per month. When and if you register as an IBO you will be able to view our website to see the benefits of each
Tyler: See, the thing is, the vast majority of legitimate businesses, in fact all legitimate businesses I have seen, provide a lot more information on their website than you do
Tyler: So if you are a legitimate business, I have a complaint about your website
Tyler: If not, your website is designed perfectly for suckering in poor saps like my friend
Tyler: In which case you have my applause
Lenny: We are affiliated with another company and in order to establish a membership with us you must first be registered with them.
Tyler: Would that company be Amway?
Lenny: Yes
Tyler: The same company that has repeated accusations of running pyramid schemes?
Tyler: Look, all I'm saying is that even the Amway site provides a business plan and lots of information on how their marketing model, which is ostensibly a legitimate legal multi-level-marketing model, works, what being a member entails, and so forth
Lenny: I can assure you that it is not a pyramid scheme, it is a very legitimate business model.
Tyler: This information is available *without* creating an account
Lenny: YOu can log into our website with the username of guest and the password of dream if you would like to browse around
Tyler: If such an account exists, why not "log the user in as a guest" by default? That is, make the information that is available to the guest account available by default
Tyler: Legitimate investors like to see legitimate businesses provide a little more than promises of quick, easy cash
Lenny: Because we are an affiliate that can only offer services to registered IBOs of Amway we can not display information to non registered users.
Tyler: I see
Tyler: but you just displayed that information to me...
Tyler: Way to beat the system, Lenny
Lenny: As a guest yes
Lenny: You are inquiring about it so I am providing what can be provided.
Tyler: So we come back to my original complaint about the website
Tyler: Why can't you provide what can be provided by default?
Tyler: It almost seems like you're trying to hide it, perish the thought
Lenny: I am not but please believe what you would like
Lenny: We simply can not allow general access without a valid guest account login being provided first
Tyler: fair enough
Tyler: I'm still having difficulty finding information about your business plan and/or marketing plan
Lenny: We are a very legitimate business that is designed to help Amway IBOs build and grow their business, we are the support system.
Tyler: Ah, I see
Lenny: We are not in marketing.
Tyler: So why doesn't it say that on your website?
Lenny: Say what exactly?
Tyler: Well, this is the first indication I've heard of what WWG LLC actually does
Lenny: You have to register with Amway first before you can register with us and that step is where you learn what it is that we provide.
Tyler: Fiar enough, if the business is aimed directly at people who are already with Amway
Tyler: fair*
Lenny: Only those registered with Amway can even register with us, therefore we only support those registered with Amway.
Tyler: This returns me once again to the complaint about the website, however, but now it's structured a little different:
Tyler: Your website is pretty shady looking, I suppose you could say
Lenny: Without an understanding of how the business works and how we are tied into that I could see that
Tyler: It may well be legitimately aimed at amway folks, but any old person who stumbles across it might get the wrong impression
Tyler: if you know what I mean
Lenny: But not having the information provided to you by someone registered with Amway first is the cause of the confusion.
Lenny: YOu first need to be introduced to how Amway works, then you will learn about the support system
Tyler: Yes and no
Tyler: What your saying is that I should be suspiciously eyeing Amway, not World Wide Group
Tyler: This isn't strictly a website question/comment, but I think your intro seminar could use a little modification
Lenny: You need to be registered with them first before wandering about World Wide. Both companies are very legitimate.
Tyler: The presenter mentioned Amway, but provided absolutely no information on the relationship between Amway and WWG
Lenny: Please contact the person who referred to this site regarding that.
Tyler: I will do that, thank you
Lenny: Thank you for using Live Help - it's been my pleasure to help you today. Click here if you would like to print a copy of this transcript.
Last edited by Rob Oplawar; February 19th, 2010 at 03:46 PM.
You do realize that Mudkipz, The Dark Side, and English Mobster are all the same account, right? I registered this account with Mudkipz, realized a few days later that the name was retarded and had an admin change it to The Dark Side, then realized a few weeks later that that name was retarded too and had an admin change it to English Mobster. I donated $40 to make up for all the inconvenience (both for the name changes and at least partially for the whole sister fiasco).
They're all from the same account.
ANYWAY. What's done is done. I was a stupid 13-year-old bigot at the time; I've apologized many times over. I'm 16 now, I've matured enough to realize how stupid I was back then and believe me when I say I'm not pulling anything like that again. It's caused me enough grief as it is.
Now lets get back to the topic at hand, if we will.
Last edited by English Mobster; February 21st, 2010 at 06:51 PM.
Holy shit that was three years ago?
it's okay because this is the quotes thread and i am posting quotes
i do my part
You're saying he isn't mature because of an image in his rotating sig?
jesus christ i feel so old
and one for the thread:
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