Halo: Anniversary - The Halo 1 remake (fuck anyone who calls it "halo ce" remake)

[Donut]

i have to say, im completely agree with the "where do i fucking go" argument. metroid is a culprit, most certainly, and iv gotten lost at least once in almost every halo iv played, particularly 1 and 2. (even more particularly, flood based levels)

ill also agree with halo 2 being the best for exploring. i watched one of those videos, and especially new mombasa and outskirts had TONS of shit to run around and see. there was a lot of that in halo 2. its actually almost a little disturbing, because it seems like bungie had so much more planned for the level.

[Warsaw]

You don't seem to be understanding at all that what I posted is my opinion and what you posted is your opinion and no opinion can ever be right or wrong. I enjoy co-op on Halo 2 more than Halo 1. You don't. Fine. That doesn't make my opinion wrong.
Doesn't make it wrong, but it does make the facts you are using to support it wrong. That's the difference between debating with me and a fanboy; I haven't seen any real evidence to support your opinion, and nothing you have said detracts from the opinion that Combat Evolved has the better campaign. I'm not covering my ears going "blah blah blah," the Halo 2 is best people just haven't said anything compelling. The point of the debate is, at any rate, that Halo 2 does not deserve a remake. Only the game that started it all should be remade right now. If they want to redo the entire series at some point down the line, say 10 years from now, then that would be cool. As it stands, Halo 2 is too fresh and it introduced so much shit into the series that they are STILL actively trying to get over. They need to relearn how to make fun, engaging, non-MLG-biased entertainment first.

Also though it's not really relevant to the discussion, I should add that any time someone uses 'linear' as a gameplay criticism, their opinion instantly loses all credibility.

There's nothing wrong with linear gameplay. For that matter, non linear gameplay has been the source of some of my most boring and frustrating experiences in gaming.
When I say linear, I mean the type of linear where it's almost like being on rails, except you have the power to decide when to move on. Halo 2 has that type of linear. I don't get to choose how I approach their set-piece, I have to go in and hope I get all my timing exactly correct or I'll get killed. I also need to have the exact gun for that segment. Halo 3 and Halo: Reach were much the same way. ODST was not. Half-Life didn't kill you straight up for approaching something with a different gun, and it had a lot of back doors to use. The only credibility lost is in being unable to infer the connotation of "linear gameplay" based on the direction of the conversation, especially when all games in consideration right now are technically linear.


It's the fact that before mid range weapons had bloom, they all had consistent accuracy that was never too good and never too bad. That meant that neither random close range spraying nor retardedly long range spamming would work.
Say that to everybody who did the short/long range spamming on Coagulation, Ascension, Valhalla, Ivory Tower, etc.


I don't know anybody who hates or ridicules those maps. Chillout is awesome. The only one on there I could maybe agree with is Longest, but even that map is fun under the right circumstances.
I don't hate it either. Most of the people I have played with didn't really like them, though, and a lot of people I have played with online also would have rather played the maps in the "favourite" category. I even like Chiron quite a bit. Point is, the only truly bad map in Halo 1 was Infinity (way too big for even 16 players). I hear almost nothing but complaining about the maps in all subsequent Halo games, and it's not even me doing the bitching; I hardly played Halo 2 multiplayer because it was too different from the first and, therefore, not fun for me.

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[Pooky]

Doesn't make it wrong, but it does make the facts you are using to support it wrong. That's the difference between debating with me and a fanboy; I haven't seen any real evidence to support your opinion, and nothing you have said detracts from the opinion that Combat Evolved has the better campaign. I'm not covering my ears going "blah blah blah," the Halo 2 is best people just haven't said anything compelling.

Facts and evidence... to support an opinion... yeah that makes sense. Apparently I need facts and evidence to prefer one game's campaign for co-op (only (since you apparently missed that part)) over another's.

The point of the debate is, at any rate, that Halo 2 does not deserve a remake. Only the game that started it all should be remade right now. If they want to redo the entire series at some point down the line, say 10 years from now, then that would be cool. As it stands, Halo 2 is too fresh and it introduced so much shit into the series that they are STILL actively trying to get over. They need to relearn how to make fun, engaging, non-MLG-biased entertainment first.

Hang on I missed the part where I said remake. Let me go back and check...

Halo 2 doesn't need a remake. It just needs a straight port to 360 via Arcade with modern resolution and online co-op. If only for the exploring and goofing around aspects, Halo 2 had the best Campaign of the series and I want it more than the first game tbh.

Oh wait, I never said that.

Not gonna lie Warsaw, you're acting like a total fanboy right now.

[Warsaw]

Facts and evidence... to support an opinion... yeah that makes sense. Apparently I need facts and evidence to prefer one game's campaign for co-op (only (since you apparently missed that part)) over another's.

You yourself missed the part where I am talking about the campaign as a WHOLE, not just co-op. I already stated earlier that maybe for exploring, it was great, but as a campaign it was miserable.

I'm not necessarily bashing your opinion as much as I am trying to understand it. They can come off as appearing the same because the only way to gain an understanding is to ask for evidence. You had to formulate your opinion based on something. So far, I've seen two items which are both in the same level, so that's only one level out of 13 listed. The skulls are the only puzzles to solve in Halo 2. The enemies aren't a puzzle to be solved, they are a roll of the dice, with a modifier in your favour if you have the gun that Bungie intended you to have at that part. The levels require zero thought to accomplish, just plow on through. You can't even be stealthy with sleeping grunts! Like I said, I haven't seen anything that would compel me to agree with you (and Cagerrin, as it were) that Halo 2's campaign was the best apart from great cut-scenes.

Hang on I missed the part where I said remake. Let me go back and check...
Arcade port. I know, not a remake, but it's not even worth that. You and the rest of the world have already done the exploring by now anyways, so what's the point? Even I don't go exploring anymore, I screw around with the physics, AI, and triggers.


Oh wait, I never said that.

Not gonna lie Warsaw, you're acting like a total fanboy right now.
To be fair, you haven't the room to talk if you take a look at the Reach thread, though I supported your sentiments there. We're all fanboys of something here, else the forum wouldn't exist. I'm a fanboy of good games, the category of which Halo 2, 3, and Reach have missed in their stupid attempts to become more "accessible", along with other over-hyped titles like Mass Effect, Dawn of War II, C&C, Starcraft 2, Fallout 3, Oblivion, Team Fortress 2, Call of Duty 4/5/MW2, and Assassin's Creed (1 and 2). The category that Halo 1, ODST, Half-Life, Half-Life 2, Battlezone I/II, Dark Reign, KotOR, Battlefield 2/BC2, Borderlands, S.T.A.L.K.E.R., and Red Orchestra are a part of. In my case, it's a rather exclusive club. I know a steaming pile of nickel-diming, cost-cutting, casual-catering shit when I see it.

So yes, I am a fanboy. But let's face it, is there a reason not to be? The best of Halo took place during the time of the first game. The modding, the multiplayer, the good maps, the mysterious Forerunner, the "oshit" moments, and the epic 4-way XBOX LANs. 2001 through 2004 were the best years, and ever since Halo 2 came out, Halo has become something of a laughing stock, especially in the Xbox Live community.

I'm getting déja vu from this.

[Pooky]

The part you still seem to be extremely unclear on is that I'm not and never was saying that Halo 2 was the best Campaign. I said that in my opinion, it's the best for goofing around on co-op. It's not perfect but I can still have a lot of fun with it. The videos I posted are just a short list of things that sort of highlight the reasons I enjoyed it.

I wouldn't call anything I posted back in the Reach thread 'fanboyism' because I wasn't asserting one thing to be the best above all others. I was just posting my rage at what a terrible and disappointing multiplayer experience I was having.

[TPBlinD]

im sorry but halo 1 co-op on legendary on the maw is the greatest thing of all existence??!?

[Necr0matic]

Halo Anniversary Behind-the-Scenes: Multiplayer

[TeeKup]

Wait, did I mishear that ViDoc or did they say they returned the magnum to a 3sk in the title update?

[Warsaw]

The part you still seem to be extremely unclear on is that I'm not and never was saying that Halo 2 was the best Campaign. I said that in my opinion, it's the best for goofing around on co-op. It's not perfect but I can still have a lot of fun with it. The videos I posted are just a short list of things that sort of highlight the reasons I enjoyed it.

I wouldn't call anything I posted back in the Reach thread 'fanboyism' because I wasn't asserting one thing to be the best above all others. I was just posting my rage at what a terrible and disappointing multiplayer experience I was having.

Halo 2 doesn't need a remake. It just needs a straight port to 360 via Arcade with modern resolution and online co-op. If only for the exploring and goofing around aspects, Halo 2 had the best Campaign of the series and I want it more than the first game tbh.

Seems the only one confused is you. And no, you can't just change your tune to "best campaign for co-op" after that. Sorry.

You didn't assert it directly in the Reach thread, but you did it indirectly to the confusion of the rest of the forum until I came in and said exactly what it was you were implying (while agreeing with it). Go read it. That's basically how it played out. I also remember you getting called a fanboy in there, too. There's nothing wrong with being a fanboy as long as you aren't throwing insults at people for disagreeing with your opinion. No insults have been thrown around in here, so...

@Necr0matic: YUSSSSSSSSS. Reach to Anniversary options for the win. Also, I wholly did not expect a remake of Timberland. That is a much welcome addition.

[Hotrod]

I just jizzed in my pants...twice...