Call of Dooty: Modern Warfare 3

[Pooky]

You implied it.

No, I did not. I said that Quake 2 came afterwards in case you were referring to Quake 2, because Quake 2 did have somewhat more sophisticated mechanics.

Like I said, plot vs. play mechanics. I suggest you take a step back and understand that concept.

No, you're the one who's not understanding. Clearly you've barely played Goldeneye at all, and this isn't the first time you've tried to argue with me based on little to no actual knowledge of the game in question. Go play it, and tell me it's not more sophisticated than Quake.

Besides being one of the first games that proved shooters on a console could really work, Goldeneye was one of the first games to take a more realistic approach to FPS. It included things like location based damage and (albeit loose) representations of real life weapons which nobody else had done before. I suggest you take a step back and take a moment to actually know what you're talking about before starting another 10 page argument over an idiotic point of semantics.

Let's all just face it. Pooky doesn't like new games. I don't really blame him.

I like some of them. Mass Effect 2 is one of my favorite games ever. Just not the vast majority.

I'm pretty sure all the glitches and exploits are what make JK2 so popular as well.

It really depends on how you define exploit. The glitches are what give the game depth and longevity, because each one adds to the gameplay while taking away nothing. Every new glitch is a new tactic to use against your opponents, and there's literally no end to the strategies you can employ. The same can be said of a game like Super Metroid, which is still actively played by speedrunners today because there are so many things to discover. That's what happens when developers don't put a shitload of overbearing restrictions on their game.