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I optimize after uv (which I'm doing right now).Quote:
Originally Posted by neuro
btw, why there's so more detail on the bottom is because of the size of the structure. here's an image ref on size. (they took out the middle and left the top and bottom)
http://www.new-york-pictures.com/d/5...n+New+York.jpg
What's he mean about 4 passes being required? Why is that so?
Low Poly. Time to optimize it :P
idgi. Wouldn't it have been easier to optimize before unwrapping?
well i typed out a big post on how and why, but i accidentally hit backspace and deleted it all, and im not going to retype it all.
kid, if yu change geo after baking you're destroying your normalmap, it's rendered to work from your existing geo.
optimising is part of modelling process, doing it as a last step is plain retarded in every way you can look at it.
con, it's got to do with intersecting geometry pieces, if shit's so close together, the cage can intersect the wrong piece of geometry so to speak, and produce bake artifacts.
Oh, I think I understand what you mean. It'll be using the normals from the surface inside the other surface and not necessarily the outside one. Where they overlap from the point of view of the cage is where the problems can occur...
yeah pretty much that.
also, the texture is pretty horrible.
it's just a generic noise teture with ambient atm.
I'm not a texture artist so I realy can't do much there, but Sorry if i wasn't clear on the optimize. I leave in alot of faces that can't be seen in the mesh when baking. after, I go back and delete them if they aren't needed. As you can see, the model is already quiet diff than the one before unwrap.Quote:
Originally Posted by neuro
you dont need to be a texture artist.
just go into photoshop and paint on all the edges a bit, lighten them some. use your normalmap as a guideline, trust me, it'll look miles better.
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3332789/misc/Medal_Release.jpg
Made an admin medal for the ETF2L Highlander tournament at their request.
Looks good. Not overdone and from what I'm basing off of observations, the unwrap looks clean.
Looking good Sel.
So I made a vending machine.
http://s148.photobucket.com/albums/s...ion=postuploadhttp://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s...wandhigh_2.jpg
http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s...wandhigh_1.jpg
Theres just a normal map, AO, and obviously a diffuse. This was a little exercise to grasp some better sub'd modeling and baking.
You need to learn to terminate edge loops better. You're carrying them all the way through the mesh, when you don't have to. Use flat areas of the mesh (where keeping all-quads isn't important) to tie off edges and learn to redirect edge loops to flow back the way they came. You mesh is really dense and it was a relatively simple shape. On a more complicated model, you're going to run into problems doing it that way -- both topological and performance.
your highpoly is perfect, though the large door on the front should've been a seperate element.
your lowpoly makes me cringe HORRIBLY
http://i623.photobucket.com/albums/t...dhigh_1fix.jpg
this is what your wireframe should more or less look like.
get rid of all your useless edges.
@neuro:I'll take your advice and brush up the texture a bit.
@killer: I see you have a sky light there, why not just render it but had to go with a print screen?
This is what I'm working on right now in 3ds max. I'd say it's about 50% done. I'm searching for good ref of the bottom of the skull right now and might as well post a wip for edge flow crit and ratio crit.
ed: older render but I forgot wireframe of the side:
http://a.imageshack.us/img24/7931/sk...2207102108.jpg
I didn't use skylight, because my rendering is pretty bad. I like using DirectX Shaders. I'm looking for tutorials on making them.
The hole where the nose would be looks a bit...too perfect. It should kind of have a little bump at the bottom of it, more noticeable than the little one you have now. For some reason I keep thinking the hole itself is too big as well...maybe the eye sockets too but hell, you're the one modeling it. Probably looked at more images than I did (which is zero, ha).Quote:
Originally Posted by kid908
Also, some animations for some random sniper made by some guy that I just animated:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ool0NX_2vVw
I know the posing/editing is fuckawful, but this is the first truly artistic idea I've had for the longest time. I fucked the execution, as usual, but the idea fucking owns I reckon.
I was listening to The Wall and it struck me how well Waiting For The Worms can be applied to Breen right as Freeman is making his way through the last few blocks of the city towards the Citadel. The line 'Sitting in a bunker/Here behind my Wall' was the one I based this off of, as Breen's bunker is his Citadel, encircled by mobile walls.
i don't get it.
that's because you're dumb
please tell me you know the song at least
know the song, but pink floys isn't really my thing, sorry :P
@ ODX
Seems a bit crooked.
so apparently posting in the blogs is useless as far as getting responses goes.
we can't be friends anymore. im sorry :(Quote:
Originally Posted by neuro
Cagerrin, that's looking interesting. How about lighting it up a little more so we can see the details down there?
Kerky seems to hate rendering any sort of interior so it'll be a while.
for now, here's a shot of the area on the right of the previous render. back wall will have a door or two in it but I'm not that far yet.
looking good, keep it up.
the far end is where the holes in the upper floor end up. they're set up as a one-way ramp. the end the camera's at is unfinished, will have a horseshoe-shaped room around it that'll have access to the back wall of the upper floor.
Just finished off, got other things to do now. Well, apart from that floater I forgot about. And the edges are WAAAY too tight still, but fuck it. Learn from mistakes for next time ay. One or two little details need to be added as well such as trigger ect...
And the material I used on it made a weird but okay render I think. Lul.
Looking for some tips on a diffuse I'm working on for a holographic unit.
I realise the UV's have a lot of space wasted but unless a significant amount of extra space could be used up without distorting the proportions I don't really want to have to go back and change them.
Last time I worked on a diffuse was the assault rifle at the beginning of the year and since then I've been going through as many tutorials as I can.
The model itself was made by sub-division and I've got a high poly model ready to bake the normal maps with.
What I'm looking for here is what exactly can I do to improve the quality of my diffuse, since the object is fixed inside the control room I doubt it would get all that many scratches but weathering and corrosion is something I've been thinking about but I want to know what people here think before I go ahead and do anything else.
http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/2756/holographic.jpg
Which is for:
E: I've just noticed there is a piece of mesh overlapping another, That will be fixed.
DEAR GOD THOSE UVS MAKE ME CRINGE
as for your diffuse..
try actually.. making a diffuse.
this is just colour fills with some noise on it tbh.
they don't make any sense on the mesh, they don't line up in any way, and it's just a COLOUR.
look at..
well ANYTHING around you.
NOTHING IS JUST A COLOUR.
not even white kitchen cupboards.
there's always smudges and dust and shit, even fingerprints can be shown in a diffuse.
again, don't colourfill, make a proper diffuse.
i've got a hard time believing you spend more than 5 minutes on this.
^ all of this
In other word's i need to use stronger brushes.
I didn't simply use the fill tool, I've been using a variety of brushes but if you think that was just a fill job then I'l have to use a stronger strength for the brushes.
no, you need to add actual detail and material definition so things look like metal rather than flat grey shit with some chalky stuff on it
it has fuck all to do with brushes and everything to do with how you're using them
If I'm not to use brushes then how am I to make this seem like actual metal?Quote:
Originally Posted by rossmum
I didn't fucking say not to use brushes, I said not to blame your fucking tools because they're not at fault. There's a very big difference.
You seem to be getting angry over something pretty simple.Quote:
Originally Posted by rossmum
I asked what needed fixing, you and neuro said it needs to look less chalky, I asked if I needed to increase the brush strength, nothing needing to rage over.
And they say I'm the angry one.:ugh:
None of your insets/extrudes on the pillars look Forerunner. I think it's the lack of right angles, and the fact that a few of the corners are far too sharp. Also the inset on the pedestal the pillar sits on has a bunch of messed up angles. The inset needs to be rotated so that all of its backward-sloping edges are parallel with the back edge of the pedestal.
warlord, stop bitching and start over.
start with redoing your UV's.
Forerunner items don't have finger prints, they only have very slight amount dirt on them, scratches should definitely not be lashed on.Quote:
Originally Posted by neuro
You need a specular in my opinion, make that metal pop out, that area can be light really well, but your textures will need to do the leg work.
The only one bitching is you.Quote:
Originally Posted by neuro
I said I'l redo the UV's after seeing the overlap.
And the one consistently missing the point is you.
You don't need stronger brushes. You need to put the ones you're already using to better use.
I, too, like taking panoramas:
Fuck this is way too saturated.
Fuck linking from dropbox.
i am bad at this. so, so bad
is it even worth continuing
It can be salvaged.
First off, try creating a base metal texture that covers everything, this saves alot of time and you can focus on making the metal consistent and real.
Second I am going to give the benefeit of the doubt and assume you have some sort of shader applied that is making that metal look shiny, and you did not blatantly texture shine onto the weapon. If you did texture shine onto the gun just know in the future that is a big no no on the diffuse as there are obviously other maps that do this for you.
Finally, you're at least trying to think and not spam scratches everywhere, which is a habit you should keep.
I find looking at extreme cases of gun damage and terrible ownership on google can show me where scratches form regularly on guns and how they form. Thanks to it being extreme cases of damage, the scratches are also usually at their peak so you know when youre using too many forms of wear and tear. To make sure your texture is interesting, you cant make the gun dull, shiny and stock... I always aim for a somewhat regularly used gun mindset.
Keep working, everything improves in time if you make the iniative to find the knowledge.
Looks decent to me, but Im not texture artist (or artist tbh)
Although, I see people say not to paint on pre defined lighting.
:lobo:
Where's Katana?
This is the only thing I'm going to dispute; there is absolutely nothing wrong with previous-gen texture work (i.e. diffuse-lit). I know people who can make a 1500 poly, diffuse-lit weapon look better than the latest 'hyper-realism', shader-lit pieces. It was made for older engines anyway, so shader-lighting it would be pointless.Quote:
Originally Posted by Crackers
ive got to go with ross here, i perrsonally really like the diffuse-lit style he's got atm.
http://www.facepunch.com/showthread....3#post23706133
fuck off and die if you expect me to repost all this here. my thread needs periodic cpr anyway b/c facepunchers are big dumb babies and don't like to comment on my threads so they die real fast
I get eyestrain from trying to make out your dark pictures, Ross. I would like them if they weren't so goddamned dark. But we've had this discussion already.
Is it your monitor? I'm not having any trouble with it.
It looks great until you realize it's just a colour shift. After comparing it with the original, it just doesn't seem to have a night-time atmosphere anymore.
(maybe it's just my monitor making it too bright)
My monitor is calibrated to proper color and brightness standards for design work, and Ross, that is really damn dark. I can make it out without straining too hard, but it's so dark that it hides a lot of the detail.
plz adjust your monitor black/white point and gamma. thx.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cagerrin
Ross, as said before, too dark. Also, the fire on the aircraft is too contrasty and brings it forward. The fire on the tanks could use some work, too, as in the explosion looking bits on the tops of the flames are bad. Try something else with the tracers as well, because they're very fuzzy streaks as of right now and i feel that your depth of field jumps around way way too much. Those aircraft should all be nothing more than silhouettes, especially since the houses (being relatively midground) are lacking detail that you can plainly see on the aircraft. I know you're crazy about the aircraft, but your personal like of them is showing much more over wanting to produce a quality piece of work. This happens with almost all of your work. Not to mention, with the fire coming off the destroyed tank, you need a LOT more local light. The shadows in your scene are all sunlight source at high noon, which is BAD BAD BAD. Make all of your shadows with a quick falloff/gradation/softening and be sure they actually taper towards the object casting the shadow. and they'll all be going in different directions. You probably need to cast a secondary shadow as well, since you have at least 2 light sources. The moon (which counts as local light because it is sunlight reflected off of the moon) and the fire.
E: i would google images for you for tracers but... i HATE what they did to it. A photograph like this would have some motion blur on all counts because of the long exposure time required to gather enough light on the film. that's something else to consider.
Black/white point are largely TV settings. for LCD monitors, brightness and contrast are more prevalent.
attn: snaf
(spoilered for longpost)
Last render :)
excellent, now make something original :P
so its okay for first attempt at sub'd? apart from the fact that its unorigional.
(and tight edges).
More than okay, I'd say. It's pretty good. Not the best that could be done, but pretty good.
Edit: Someone on reddit requested an illustration of a comment I made regarding the type of entrance that ought to be made by extra cashiers when they are called to the front of a Target store. Being a man of many talents, I just did it myself.
http://i.imgur.com/3epTa.png
I unironically hope you one day make it to the board of directors of Target so you can put this amazing strategy into place.
Rain-protected sugar glass on all skylights and windows. Blackhawk helicopters on standby at nearby airbases. Air-conditioned emergency employee barracks on-site. Daily drilling in register operation and rappelling.
Nearly finished getting my side project done while I was learning a few things and I'm thinking of releasing this as a separate thing, just as something to make screen shots and what else people want to use it for.
Needs a control panel which I'm modelling now, the design is different to installation 04 [both versions] although somewhat inspired by it.
Lighting is nearly finished, everything has normals and specular maps as well as detail maps to make the textures not look as "flat" as some people have said.
Reason I'm posting this picture here is because I want to know before this gets released what needs to be changed so it's done before released to the wolves.
The biggest regret I've got on this is that I never figured a way to make the insides of the glass emitters glow, I can make everything else have a glow but any mesh behind glass doesn't seem to want to glow.
http://img517.imageshack.us/img517/4...3114471673.png
I love that beam.
Yeah, that beam is nice looking. I want to see some more detailed enviroments though. Not saying this is bad, but you should add some more details into the control room.
Is the beam just a fibers filter with a blue hue and some bloom to it?
Not saying it looks bad, it looks rather nice, I'm just curious.
The beams actually a pair of effects on different scales, their both a stock effects bitmap that's sent in a upward direction and duplicated making the beam like effect.Quote:
Originally Posted by Llama Juice
This video might help explain it better.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3I0xH0o8SO4
As for more detailed environments.
Should I go and make some decals to add onto the walls to break up the blandness?
I think it would be better if you couldn't see through the beam. The flickering is kinda annoying too. Instead of decals you should put some lights up there.
Vertical pillars don't fit in. Perhaps if you made them shorter, removed the glass, and added a beam on top that's angled 45 degrees back towards the walls. Then have the short vertical pillar bend around the tip of the 45-degree beam and back towards the platform, and add the glass to the inner edge of that.
The pillars are near enough copies of the ones in Halo 3, the only difference is that there isn't a metal loop that connects them all.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cagerrin
Their supposedly holographic emitters for the hologram of the ring and planet that it orbits.
I can see if i can edit them a little to add what you suggested though.
Yeah I agree, but as of yet I've not found a opacity slider and the light has a preset style of lighting, solid, flickering or pulsing and for pulsing there isn't one that is fast enough.Quote:
Originally Posted by Con
I'l see what i can do about adding lights to the ceiling though..
just in case that didn't make any sense, something like this, though I didn't make the beam thin enough.
I think the beam moves a bit too fast imo.
The energy beam is fine, it's the flashes that are too fast. Just because the beam's moving doesn't mean they should be flickering that fast.
what's it for, looks pretty alright
Eventually it'll just be a little UDK scene for my portfolio.
Reminds me a little bit of the interior of the ship in Mothership Zeta.
my previous comments still apply.
I'm planning on breaking up the continuity by making a few different pipe segments, and I'm toying with the idea of wires hanging from the ceiling. I also kinda want to have grate flooring through the middle of the path so you can see below everything and have some other stuff going on down there.... might do water or a maze of pipes or wiring or something. That thing on the left at the end of the first segment that the pipes and shit run through will be tossed around too to help break it up. I haven't fucked with the pipes yet because I plan on just basically cutting up the ones I already have and just repurposing the pieces so that I don't have to UV/Texture new ones, but I can still make new ones.
I want to get this stuff in the UDK though before I create anything else new, so right now I'm UVing all of it... which is as glorious as you'd imagine.
it's all pretty easy to UV, you've got nothing complex in there.
well I really like how your hallway is coming along, but I have an idea, you could use a lot of different sized pressurized tanks in that recess to break up the repetition and also it gives you an excuse to have vertical pipes and some valves along the periphery of the walking space:
I would tell you to hang wires on either side of the drop-lighting thing but as I understand you're already going to. Looking forward to how you finish this.
@Neuro, Yea... there's nothing complex going on in it, (yay heaps of little simple pieces to add up to make a scene look more complex than it is.
@Mass Neat idea, I'll keep that in mind :P
I just gotta get a bunch of this UVing and texturing at least to a point where it's not like 40 models to go through... right now there's 21 unique assets there, so I already have a fair amount of stuff to go through.
I got most of it UV'd yesterday and today though, there's only like five more models to UV, then I'm gunna start on some textures.
http://img408.imageshack.us/img408/9...vpartytime.jpg
Yay UVMadness.
So tell me if this joke is too obscure or too obvious before I actually start the real work on this comic.
http://imgur.com/ITn3J.png
I need to think of a way to keep the last panel as the last panel, and still give an indication that the plane is a vomit comet and not crashing. And not have the straight-up logo in the second panel.
Also I forgot about yusuf.
Why no logo? With the logo, I assumed it was a vomit comet even before reading the rest of the post.
Because the humor has to be in the realization that that's what it is, and you can't have the punch of the punchline be a panel early.
I do have some comedic skill, you know.
I just have to figure out how to do it so that the realization comes in the last panel without the reader needing to look it up or think about it for a long time.
put a tiny Nasa logo on somebody's shirt in the last panel instead?
Leave it the way it is.
The second panel could be changed to imitate the scene where the inception crew boards the plane: Cobb giving the team the thumbs up, everybody set and ready to go, then his reaction in the third panel has more effect. A fourth panel would also be helpful in that case, with a view of the plane from the outside, clearly showing the NASA logo.
The last panel needs more indication of whats going on.
Have a few windows or some generic plane props. If I was to see that panel alone with no context, I would think they are floating around a slanted room.
The problem with this is that the punch has to be on that panel for it to have the effect I want. There can be no panel after that panel, or it breaks the flow. The first idea is good, though.Quote:
Originally Posted by thehoodedsmack
This is a much better idea. I'll probably put one on the inside fuselage somewhere or on hawking's jumpsuit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cagerrin
Then really you're not very observant. The second panel makes it clear they're on a plane. I did some research and it looks like vomit comets do have windows, so i'll put those in.Quote:
Originally Posted by DEEhunter
my first proper drawing
one of these days I'm gonna turn furaffinity into my own purrsonal goldmine ok!
A++
That will go right on the fridge.
can we keep the crit kinda serious, I'm really trying to learn to draw here!
here's a really helpful tip. start off with pencil and paper. Depending on what you want your style to be like, pick up a few how to draw books. start off with cartoons/anime and move towards more realistic style.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sel
llama, i swear, if you're going to do hanging wires you better have like 10+ variations that look nothing alike. repetition of wires = scene death
oh look I finished it
Colouring is just horrific. D:Quote:
Originally Posted by Sel
You have random light colour to darker shade in random places that makes absolutely no sense.
on the other hand, you're defining the character more and look alot better than the original. keep at it, but I still recommend traditional over digital for beginners.
learning to draw, day 2
Am I bad at this?
I've only been trying to work with sub-d for a few weeks as a pass-time activity, but I'd like to know if there's anything strange about how my wireframe is being setup, or if I'm making common mistakes. Also, should close edge-loops be avoided?
