Brute Spiker Rifle (NEW ONE) D:

K, this isn't finished yet, and the main reason for that, is because I've been asking people ALL FRIGIN DAY (since 9 am, tis now 6 pm fyi) to get me a good side shot of the spiker in 3rd person, on the ground. There are details in the side of the gun that are indented so you cannot see in them in first person.

Note: The gun doesn't have a normal, specular or any other map YET that the halo 3 one has, so don't go "ZOMG ITS NAWT SHINEE LAIK THE HALO 3 ONE" on me k? In good time. You can also see a slight uvw wireframe over the texture, because I have the uvw as a transparent layer over the top, and there are parts that are allready coloured that aren't finished yet. The entire texture is subject to refining before I consider it finished.

First I'll highlight the areas I cannot see and hopefully one of those lucky people who got the beta can get off their royal asses and get me one little screenshot.

http://img224.imageshack.us/img224/3...examplezm3.jpg

^ I need a picture of the gun in the same view as that one. Dead side on so I can see the side panel with screws thats indented away from sight (the grey area in the middle). It needs to be 3rd person, preferablly not being held by another player (so I can see the trigger area) and well lit sitting on the ground so I can see the areas I can't see at the moment.

Also, the clip will be on a seperate uv map, its just got a lambert shader on it now so don't start going "WTF WHAI IS IT GRAY".

http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/2...espikersh6.jpg
http://img72.imageshack.us/img72/575...rsonviesc4.jpg


and yes, it will be in SPV2, replacing the old spiker tags (wich Masterz is also redoing)

The old spiker tags may be released open source. I'm not sure, I remember Masterz talking about it. Don't hold me on that one.

I'll be the first one to say...

Why aren't you working for me yet? ;D

I am really amazed by how fast you picked up photoshop...i've been trying for a few months, but i never get taht far D: I guess im just not as determined as you. But hey, you know photoshop like i know max. Props.

hawt

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Originally Posted by Wave of Lag

I'll be the first one to say...

Why aren't you working for me yet? ;D

I am really amazed by how fast you picked up photoshop...i've been trying for a few months, but i never get taht far D: I guess im just not as determined as you. But hey, you know photoshop like i know max. Props.

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tru dat :P

and LOL AT UR SIG

Nice sig hahaha

Looking good bro +rep :D

Good sir, I do believe that the skin yonder is awesome.

you're missing a few details (yea i do know that there are a lack of bottom pics tho...gotta use imagination till real h3 come out)
http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.xb...spikermain.jpg
the white cylanders that you have on the bottom missing detail... you still did a good job (much better than what i can do atm) but the above pics you posted are either wip or need to go back and fix pics

nice spiker skin tho +rep because i find replicating halo 3 a hard taks

How about making completely custom details?

Looks nice btw.

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How about making completely custom details?

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I'm with Elite. Make the spiker your own. Put little details not in the H3 one on it. Try not to be limited by what bungie do. As it is, it looks really good though. Another great skin from Dane.

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How about making completely custom details?

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:bandwagon:

the old spiker projectiles are wrong also in betalicious when he thorughs the trip mine and the grenade the guy attacking him had dual spikers pause at 2:07

Yeah, I know, It's alot more fun to use in H3. Specialy when you double up with a PR. The whole spiker is getting redone, now that we have the h3 beta.

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you're missing a few details (yea i do know that there are a lack of bottom pics tho...gotta use imagination till real h3 come out)
http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.xb...spikermain.jpg
the white cylanders that you have on the bottom missing detail... you still did a good job (much better than what i can do atm) but the above pics you posted are either wip or need to go back and fix pics

nice spiker skin tho +rep because i find replicating halo 3 a hard taks

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"but the above pics you posted are either wip or need to go back and fix pics"

Did you even read what I said in the first post. At all? NO SHIT ITS A WIP, I SAID THAT. Also, fix the pictures?

"the white cylanders that you have on the bottom missing detail... you still did a good job"

ok, what white cylinders, please if your meaning the discs on the blades, its all their buddy, look again. The white lines underneath the rings in that picture, are caused by light, i'm not skinning those in. Infact theres extra rust detail there on mine.

But if by white cylinder your refering to the clip:

:fail: you should read threads more

/annoyed

"because i find replicating halo 3 a hard taks"

exactly, wtf have you done? I don't recall seeing you ever make anything remotely artistic anywhere.

"(much better than what i can do atm)"

at the moment. Funny words, because I highly doubt you could do anything of the like in ANY moment.

Please read the damn thread next time, ok?


ok, and to the people who are saying, make your own details. I'm going for accuracy. If wan't to make a custom one, I'll do that later. If you guys wan't to put flames on your warthogs and stars on your Assault rifles in Halo PC, thats fine by me, but don't expect me to do that.


I'm also not doing my blades the same as bungies, because I simply don't like them. When the spiker is finished, I'll make a different coloured varient with loads of extra details for all you CUSTOM CUSTOM CUSTOM bandwagoners. Please, making this shit is hard, I put a great deal of effort into it, to make sure all you people will enjoy it and then to have it spat back in my face because It's not original is kind of annoying. This spiker will be used in Halo 3 mods designed for total accuracy. So i'm doing it accurately.

the holes on the blade need to be darker, unless thats the multi doing it

well i think its coming out just fine. Just add little sexy bump map and you got yourself a very sexy beast.

Prediator theres no multi on it in that render. its a render, this is not ingame yet. This is what people are forgetting, the Halo 3 spiker has a glow, specular and normal map on it, while mine currently has none, just the base texture. Read. the. thread. I'm also well aware that it needs to be darker, I'm just doing the basic texturing for now, but I need references on the side to finish it. I'll tweak all the levels for all the layers later.

[http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y17...in356/mbmb.jpg
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y17...6/probably.jpg

No bottom shots

basically the round part is the same color as the rest of the spiker.

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Originally Posted by Ð4ÑØ †

Prediator theres no multi on it in that render. its a render, this is not ingame yet. This is what people are forgetting, the Halo 3 spiker has a glow, specular and normal map on it, while mine currently has none, just the base texture. Read. the. thread. I'm also well aware that it needs to be darker, I'm just doing the basic texturing for now, but I need references on the side to finish it. I'll tweak all the levels for all the layers later.

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jesus u take evrything i say seriously, i ment if the multi "ingame" was going to make the holes on the blade darker..yeesh i know spiker has a glow..who doesnt

btw its pred-one-ator

i wonder if u will open source this spiker

and will u ever fix up spartan laser to be more h3?

I say the magazine is a bit large. True, the one on the actual spiker isn't that convincing, capacity-wise, but it looks better when it's flush with the rest of the weapon. Besides, since when has bungie realistically loaded their magazines? Think H1 AR. That magazine is in no way large enough to hold 60 7.62 caliber rounds. I dunno, maybe there's a white hole in the bottom of it?

It could also be that the spiker's magazine is a tank of molten metal, which is drawn up into the gun and fired as a solid projectile. Science behind the Needler, anyone?

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I say the magazine is a bit large. True, the one on the actual spiker isn't that convincing, capacity-wise, but it looks better when it's flush with the rest of the weapon. Besides, since when has bungie realistically loaded their magazines? Think H1 AR. That magazine is in no way large enough to hold 60 7.62 caliber rounds. I dunno, maybe there's a white hole in the bottom of it?

It could also be that the spiker's magazine is a tank of molten metal, which is drawn up into the gun and fired as a solid projectile. Science behind the Needler, anyone?

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halo takes place in the future anything can happen =p. maybe rounds get smaller in the magazine and expand when shot

I would give it a multipurpose maps on the spike things.So in game it's shiny and look more deadly when it reflects light.

it should look more like the spiker proj in betalicious no blue trails and spikes dont stick! also spikes are orange redish

Spiker contrails had a light volume in the brute vidoc. I've been working on making our spiker to the real game since I got the beta. You guys will all :XD: when you use it.

ill be the judge of that hehe

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ill be the judge of that hehe

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....o..k...

lol i was just kidding

the spiker was ok before IMO, but whatever floats your boat

personally i would like to see a H3 PR

im pretty sure they revised the spiker after the interactive mov with the spiker wireframe came out

yea the h3 pr looks sweet and cmt's ar is out of date because it doesnt look much like h3 ar anymore.

Edit: a vid for help with refrence http://youtube.com/watch?v=Ja3GtQ8zcp4

Wow, DANO, you never cease to amaze me. Im with elite, do Bungies textures, and then just go nuts with your own details. Make it look BETTER than Halo 3's. Good luck and keep up the good work.

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But hey, you know photoshop like i know max. Props.

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omg, how can you tell him he fails @ photoshop?

thats not a bad skin he made! :O

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Originally Posted by Aklass

and will u ever fix up spartan laser to be more h3?

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Yes, its going to be fixed, halo 3 style.

What the hell is with people begging him to make it custom? He's making the H3 spiker, and so he is going to make the H3 spiker.

Anyway, I can't really make any suggestions that wouldn't be stating the obvious, but that's really good work man, keep it up.

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What the hell is with people begging him to make it custom?

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we are not begging we are asking......

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omg, how can you tell him he fails @ photoshop?

thats not a bad skin he made! :O

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Hahahahahahaha. I miss you Tweekie, MSN me pics of your sister again :(

Lol


When I finish It i'm going to make a black and red one (black with red lights) but it's going to look much different to the normal spiker, loads different details and such. But I still need side ref pics from halo 3.....

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Lol


When I finish It i'm going to make a black and red one (black with red lights) but it's going to look much different to the normal spiker, loads different details and such. But I still need side ref pics from halo 3.....

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cool looking forward to the red/black spiker..see? even dano agrees to make a custom one

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When I finish It i'm going to make a black and red one (black with red lights) but it's going to look much different to the normal spiker, loads different details and such.

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Thats gonna look sooooooooo sick. Is it going to have a red muzzleflash? And it should have animated blood dripping off the blade. Ooo, my evil side is coming into my writing now:D.

I hate to inflate my ego here, but my customed up spiker looks better than bungies one. Not so much the colour is better, since tha's personal preference, just the extra details. More lights and lines and grooves and slits and stuff.


Also, unless anyone objects, I'm thinking of making the halo 3 Rocket Launcher and PR. Just cuz I want to. They look shiny. Though, I doub't I'll be able to improve on them any further, seeing as bungie has tried the same, and they've pretty much done the best that can be done to bring a new look to those old favs. I will try though. Also you people don't seem to realise my CMT ar isn't the halo 3 one. It's loosely based on it, but the handle and that is much different, and I originally had the grip as a rubber material, like the halo 1 AR, and not metal like the halo 3 one, plus theres some other stuff on the halo 3 one i didn't want on ours.

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Originally Posted by Ð4ÑØ †

I hate to inflat emy ego here, but my custom spiker looks better than bungies one. Not the colour, the extra details.

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I actually agree with that. :x

H3 PR =:lol: :lol: :lol:

I can't take my eyes off it ingame. The lightning effects and the bloom and everything in h3 is just outstanding.

yours look rather "low res" compared to bungies....but w/e u say

LOL

incase you haven't noticed, halo 3 s one is actually quite low res, it looks about 512, it's the normal maps that give it more detail. You'd know that if you actually looked at it in a screenshot. It's not uberly detailed, it's just shiny. It doesn't matter though, because 90 percent of the time your away from the tv screen playing. With PC games your right up to the screen, so detail counts, and I've packed as much detail into a diffuse skin for the resolution im at as is possible. Anymore texture and it's just goign to get worse, tbh. There is such a thing as overtexturing something, you need to know your limits sometimes.


You haven't even seen mine with a specular and normal map yet. Don't judge mine on the halo 3 one yet when it's not in even playing fields. I said that in the first post, in case you forgot to read that part.

Oh, and don't make me bring up that "Hi Def pistol" skin you made for halo PC
XD

pr looks longer in h3

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Originally Posted by Ð4ÑØ †

LOL

incase you haven't noticed, halo 3 s one is actually quite low res, it looks about 512

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that still doesnt change the fact that i think your spiker skin is low res..i think bungies is at least 10% better than yours...

but i cant complain now, show me the spiker ingame will all skins and details done and we will see which is better

high def pistol skin? what the hell you talking about?

Excellent for sodomising eachother

jesus i think Dano and Me are rivals now >.>

Do you even read?


Bungies Spiker:

Diffuse, Specular, Parralax normal (most likely) and most likely a detail map. OH and a glow map =3

Mine so far:

Diffuse


please, know what your talking about. You cannot judge the halo 3 one to mine in a standard Maya render as opposed to in game with fully dynamic lighting and shader effects.


and we are not rivals, we are FAR apart, don't even consider yourself close, Mr Imakesigs


"high def pistol skin? what the hell you talking about?"

forgotten your own gross skin have we? Look for the topic you made about it on halomods or watever.

will spiker have 3rd person anims?

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that still doesnt change the fact that i think your spiker skin is low res..i think bungies is at least 10% better than yours...

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Possibly because the textures are done by professionals who do it for a living and have been doing so for years. I find it quite amazing that Dane has managed to get so far in such a short amount of time.

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Possibly because the textures are done by professionals who do it for a living and have been doing so for years. I find it quite amazing that Dane has managed to get so far in such a short amount of time.

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imo i find the professionals work better, danos work is nothing compared to what bungie can do

lol u shud get CAD to help hes great with photoshop

...No fucking shit, they are called professionals for a reason. Your logic is flawed. Also, keep in mind that Dane does all his texturing without a tablet, now that is fucking insane.

urs sucks halo 3 one is ingame >:D

No shit sherlock


okay, tahts 2 times yo havent read.

Halo 3 = lolgraphics

My shitty maya render = lolshitty


HAlo 3 Spiker = diffuse specualr normal map possibly detail map and glow map

My one = Diffuse

YOU CANNOT JUDGE

yet, when I have got those same things aplied to mine, then you can dish it all you want.


oh and thank you reaper, for telling <3

I dont use a tablet, cuz I'm pov xD Mouse ftw!

you guys should let him finish before you start posting crap

ok mr.skinner get the spec, normal map, detail map, and glow map in and prove me wrong....

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ok mr.skinner get the spec, normal map, detail map, and glow map in and prove me wrong....

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You know what? Let's see you do better. *pulls out Intuos 3 tablet to piss off Dane*

Because being a critic means you have the necessary skills to do what you're critiquing.

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You know what? Let's see you do better. *pulls out Intuos 3 tablet to piss off Dane*

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you dont have to be a good skinner in order to criticize some one.

i am just leaving my opinion on your skin and u go crazy

edit: thanks mech ill +rep u later, too much rep giving over 24 hours

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Originally Posted by Aklass

lol u shud get CAD to help hes great with photoshop

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aklass actually thought u made those h2 skins....wow

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Originally Posted by Ã�4ÑØ â€*

Diffuse, Specular, Parralax normal (most likely) and most likely a detail map. OH and a glow map =3

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"Parallax" :eng101:

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Originally Posted by Pred1ator

you dont have to be a good skinner in order to criticize some one.

i am just leaving my opinion on your skin and u go crazy

edit: thanks mech ill +rep u later, too much rep giving over 24 hours

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Two words:
HALO ENGINE

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"Parallax" :eng101:


Two words:
HALO ENGINE

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I dont get it? :confused:

Using the Halo engine to render a Halo 3 spiker is like a Dalek trying to climb stairs. There are limitations. Don't criticize the skin. It's a shaderless render. Even when it gets into halo, it'll still suck compared to the one in Halo 3, simply because of the Halo engine's capabilities, or lack thereof.

You know what, Pred,I think your just pissing me off on purpose, because it makes you feel somewhat Important. But in all seriousness now, I think you've had enough fun, so for your sake, until you can learn to read, consider yourself officially ignored.

Just remember this:

The halo 3 spiker is in a situation which far more compliments it's assets. It is literally covered with several different kinds of visual enhancing shaders and is existing in a graphics engine that far more compliments those assets while mine CURRENTLY does not have those assets, save the basic coloured texture, and 2 ambient lights in a scene in Maya.

Theres also the small detail that I happened to mention in my first post, had you bothered to read, that said MINE ISN'T FREAKING FINISHED YET.

Wich was the whole point of me making this thread. I need a reference pic of the side, and decided to show what I had so far to give people incentive to want me to finish it. It.Is.Not.Finished.
I'm all for you judging it once I've considered it finished, in fact, I welcome it, for it only helps me grow. But until then, learn more about what you think you know and quit hassling me because I said that one crappy little pistol skin you filtered together was bad. I will not sugar coat. It was bad, and it was finished. I can't call this skin bad or good at the moment, I'm just asking you to quit ignoring facts.

The skin is bad, end of story.














































Hahahahahaha, s2 dano :D

I love you hunny bunny :)

i will be a sport and look for side shots of the spiker




<3

http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g9.../MAWRSPIKR.jpg

Hope this goes well. I , sadly, can't get you any pictures....but, I can just hope for the best in your work. Which always comes out great, might I add ;)

http://xbox360media.ign.com/xbox360/...1004945400.jpg

It looks just black, that image might help with the overall skin as well.

BTW Dano you are roxorz at skins.

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http://xbox360media.ign.com/xbox360/...1004945400.jpg

It looks just black, that image might help with the overall skin as well.

BTW Dano you are roxorz at skins.

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Yeah, dano im using just two refrence shots to skin this...not done wip.

http://madworkzstudio.com/halo/turret.jpg
http://madworkzstudio.com/halo/chaingun.jpg

HOLY SHIT THREADJACKED

and GTF ON AIM NOW D: I miss you :(


skin needs a bit of work, but I know it's a wip and wil be made of both win and pwn.

Nice shit D:

One thing I'd suggest is try some underlying transparent layers with slight orange and stuff hues, get a slight colour variation in there. Also, you might wanna tone down the sharpen filter look a bit, and sort of turn the white scrape edge on the front more broken up, instead of a perfect white line. Looking really good. I've love to see you have a crack at making the lolhueg missle pod :d

hey SeanP, thanks for that pic, it's a much bigger one of the one i allready had, but I can kinda see what I was after now :D

*edit* well actualy its still too dark but its better than the other refs i had.

shit didn't know I double posted :X

needs more green on teh barel things.

but otherwise..
:iia:
(i love this thing ^)

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Originally Posted by Explosive American

Using the Halo engine to render a Halo 3 spiker is like a Dalek trying to climb stairs.

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In the new Doctor Who, Dalek's don't need to climb stairs. they can fly!

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NO ONE GIVES A SHIT.

and hopefully this time MC doesnt go lol-emo on the spiker :awesome:

^ oh snap, I get it =3

High res you say :lol:

1884x858
[wshot]http://img510.imageshack.us/img510/5812/halo3spartanredspikerifdt1.png [/wshot]

Wow...that's pretty damn blurry at high-res, for a HD game.

Leave the portable turret alone. Since it was CMT's idea first (Bungie announced it in Halo 3 long after CMT said it would be in Halo CE) they can model it themselves. And let's also remember, this is Custom Map Team, not Halo 3 map team. You guys don't have to do everything the way it is in Halo 3. (as in, the models can be original, more than just the one for Spartan III's.)

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Leave the portable turret alone. Since it was CMT's idea first (Bungie announced it in Halo 3 long after CMT said it would be in Halo CE) they can model it themselves.

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Are you in the right thread?

People need to go on and get off the fucking bandwagon. We make this shit because we wanted to, because its fun and we're increasing our skills trying to make the stuff the professionals have, and make it work and look just as good, if not aiming higher. You have no idea how different and fun halo 1 is with this new stuff in it. Spartan lasering down dropships and banshees, spikering flood, fighting brutes who don't give you a dam break, its just FUN, and thats why were doing this.

We are not Ripping map team, we obviously made the content ourselves, and at no point claimed right of idea.
We modelled, unwrapped skinned animated tagged and got ingame to a point where in comparable to other mods, we've done the job WELL, and that requires a HELL of a lot of work, work that you people don't seem to understand. I slave away at my PC till 2 am, making texture after texture, Teh Lag gives up free time to animate all day, people give up there free time to model for us and help us in all sorts of ways (i forget, theres too many of you to name) and masterz constantly has to cop everyones shit whenever someone doesn't like something we've made and though he doesn't physically create much, he gets us to get shit done, and is responsible for how things work in the game. He knows his HEK, and we need him. I'm in this for the whole team experience, we make our own models and skins and animations, from a few shitty little screenshots bungie release, and we do it well.

Just grow up, and if you don't like how we've put effort into our stuff, then don't play. Simple. I don't see people bitching about this sort of shit when h2ce was around, they were ripping bungies IP weren't they? They actualy didn't even come close to making the content in the quality we have achieved, and I don't mean that in an egotistical way, I mean that in an honest way. The maps were fun, but the weapons and bipeds looked like shit.

But see, no one cared, because it was about the FUN.

Where the fuck is the fun anymore? It's all serious competitive bullshit now.

HURR HURR MY GUN HAS MOAR POLYS THAN YOURS. HURH HUHR I HATE YOUR TEAM HURH HUHR CUZ YOUR DOING STUFF HURR HURR.

im fine with whatever CMT does

if you dont like what the do, then gtfo.

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Yeah, dano im using just two refrence shots to skin this...not done wip.

http://madworkzstudio.com/halo/turret.jpg
http://madworkzstudio.com/halo/chaingun.jpg

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I think I love you......:eyesroll:

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Originally Posted by Edward Elrich

Leave the portable turret alone. Since it was CMT's idea first (Bungie announced it in Halo 3 long after CMT said it would be in Halo CE) they can model it themselves. And let's also remember, this is Custom Map Team, not Halo 3 map team. You guys don't have to do everything the way it is in Halo 3. (as in, the models can be original, more than just the one for Spartan III's.)

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Madworkz modelled that turret because he wanted to, for fun.

fucking S-I-M-P-L-E

[sarcasm]I spose by everyones logic, he should throw out his AWESOME Atv, considering thats halo 3 stuff.

Oh shit, may as well stop caring about Black Mesa, stupid assholes stealing ideas form Half Life, who cares if they've made awesome stuff, thats not allowed[/sarcasm]


your all fucking biased, go and drink some tea, play some old school nintendo, remember a thing called "fun" and settle the fuck down.

Dano and madworkz, I definitely look forward to your work in the near future.

so do I =3

i thinks it's too late now but if i can help
http://www.xboxygen.com/upload/Gallery/halo3181.jpg

Not one to irritate but I think your little ammo drum in the back (thats only an assumption) is too big.

fucking sigged.

Nice work on the spiker :D

Btw, CMT didnt make the HUD they show off in all the new screenshots. o that isnt custom.

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Because being a critic means you have the necessary skills to do what you're critiquing.

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Huh, not always..

Football critic
Art critic
Book critic
Film critic.

etc etc

Yo, dano, I PMed you about this but could I psbly use this model for my H3 mod that is WIP at the moment? I just need the model and texture and I'll tag it.

It's not Dane's model...

weapon modeling's not that hard with ref pics, what's wrong with making your own?

i got a question what about making the halo 3 sniper and putting it in SPv2

No. There's no point in that.

You know how easy it is to make the H3 sniper? Yea, just make the H2 sniper with a green scope.

Then we'd have to model a Halo2 sniper. :rolleyes:

Also, the stock is different, as well as an added handgaurd on the grip and a mess of other minor details.