Halo: Reach

Well, looking at this image, you can see the silhouettes of a few different characters on the bottom.

This is merely speculation, but could the games multiplayer component be class based? From the image, there appears to be a heavy weapons-like type of guy, a sniper, a regular infantry guy (assault or whatever) and two others, maybe flamethrower or something.

I just kind of thought this, because they're having the multiplayer beta when ODST comes out, and wondered why they had those characters on the bottom, other than that it looks good. We don't know much about the campaign yet, so they could have put those characters as a sort of hint.

But, this is just an Idea, maybe it is or isn't class based, but I think it would be kind of interesting to see.

I guess we'll find out sometime in the next few months, thoughts?

I dont think Bungie would change the way the game feels.

After all these games? Yes, they would. I wouldn't be surprised to find that Reach is Battlefield 2552.

RPG

So a Mass Effect rip-off like game?

TF2 4 teh lulz

Doubt the class based shooter thing... Spartans are good at everything- yes, some are better at other things than others... but to have any class (spartan) particularly bad at something would be kinda not Spartan-like.

Well, it could be like Halo Wars, have Spartans in the announcement trailer, then have them SUCK ingame.

Could be more like a tactical game. With squad style stuff and everything?

We don't even know what kind of game Halo: Reach is. All we know is it takes place around the time reach got nuked (glassed) and Spartans are in there. It could be an RTS, FPS, MMORPG (i would fucking kill bungie if it was) or even a third-person shooter.

Well since all evidence points AGAINT a covie attack, it wouldn't surprise me if this is a totally different type of game.

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Originally Posted by Masterz1337

Well since all evidence points AGAINT a covie attack, it wouldn't surprise me if this is a totally different type of game.

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Flight simulation perhaps?

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Originally Posted by TVTyrant

Flight simulation perhaps?

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perhaps not


its a Jackal game.

You are the Jackal leader "Birdman"

You were a sideproject to subject a jackal to the spartan augmentation, training, and armor.

You fucking pwn.

It'll be interesting to see how Bungie creates motivation to play the game/progress through story, because ultimately, you do fail.

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Originally Posted by Heathen

perhaps not


its a Jackal game.

You are the Jackal leader "Birdman"

You were a sideproject to subject a jackal to the spartan augmentation, training, and armor.

You fucking pwn.

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Team Fortress 3: Reach

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HAHA.

Well from the looks of it atleast two of the figures are spartans due to the sillouette, i wouldnt be too suprised if this game was like the call of duty series with class based gameplay.
After all in the books there were spartans who preffered one style over another such as linda with sniping and will for explosives.

Drawing conclusions from what I've previously known, Reach will still be in the Blam engine. So unless they augment the engine for such a design, I doubt it will be a class based shooter. However, the Fire Fight system of ODST may be leading into what Reach will be about (but with Spartans of course)

Wanna know the real kicker? Xbox 360 and PC dual release.

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Originally Posted by Limited

Wanna know the real kicker? Xbox 360 and PC dual release.

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You joking? if not source please :)

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Originally Posted by beele

You joking? if not source please :)

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No source, my theory. I just added 2 and 2 together.

Heh class based halo, i can see it now everyone having the assault rifle as their main gun and putting double tap on it.

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Originally Posted by Limited

No source, my theory. I just added 2 and 2 together.

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Lol, rumormill.

Mabye a MMORPGFPSRTS?

Ah, good input guys. Like I said it was just speculation. I think A tactical shooter would be a little more likely though.

All I know is that I somewhat hope it wont be the same old halo gameplay. Not that its bad but it will get repetitive. We already know that ODST is going to be the same as Halo 3, so I hope they go a different direction with Reach.

Or it's just a squad of Spartans.. like in Halo 3 ODST.

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Originally Posted by Limited

Wanna know the real kicker? Xbox 360 and PC dual release.

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What. :D

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Originally Posted by Corndogman

Ah, good input guys. Like I said it was just speculation. I think A tactical shooter would be a little more likely though.

All I know is that I somewhat hope it wont be the same old halo gameplay. Not that its bad but it will get repetitive. We already know that ODST is going to be the same as Halo 3, so I hope they go a different direction with Reach.

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Same, Halo 1 through ODST all have the same basic feel. I'm hoping this game will be fresh.

It's a fighting game.

It's an FPS: http://www.joystiq.com/2009/06/03/halo-reach-is-an-fps/

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It took a little doing on our part, but we've finally got a new detail for you about Halo: Reach. Are you ready for this? It's an FPS. Actually, Microsoft's John Schappert told us "Of course it's an FPS," which seemed a little cheeky from a company that recently released a Halo RTS. But who are we to judge?

So, there you go. FPS. And also ... no, that's it. But hey, it's something, right?

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"Microsoft's"?
I thought Bungie was working on this.

Haha, oh man a Halo fighter.

Awesome.

Too bad its another fps

Why didn't Halo die with it's 3rd game like every normal game out there. :gonk:

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Originally Posted by TeeKup

Why didn't Halo die with it's 3rd game like every normal game out there. :gonk:

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Call of duty?
unreal?
list goes on.
Personaly im glad their making another halo game after ODST.

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Originally Posted by Terry

It's an FPS: http://www.joystiq.com/2009/06/03/halo-reach-is-an-fps/

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Damnit, I wanted a Halo driving game.

Seriously though, just because its been announced as an fps doesn't rule out the possibility of it being a class shooter. I honestly wouldn't mind seeing a Halo game some-what similar to TF2. What I would mind seeing, or rather hearing, is what p0lar posted however :(

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Originally Posted by =sw=warlord

Call of duty?
unreal?
list goes on.

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Final motherfucking Fantasy. >_<

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Originally Posted by Pooky

Final motherfucking Fantasy. >_<

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Mario
zelda
metroid
half life (the episodes freaking count.)


at least bungie did the important thing and put down the chief.

Maybe its an adventure FPS...

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Originally Posted by Advancebo

Maybe its an adventure FPS...

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Yeah, like Super Mario, except you have a big-ass horde of extra-terrestial Aliens wanting to kill you every second of the game. *goes and writes down idea for new Super Mario game*

Honestly though, I hope it is a class based shooter, sort of like SW: Battlefront. Not the second though, because, besides space, it was a pile of crap.

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Originally Posted by Pooky

Final motherfucking Fantasy. >_<

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wow hey up until at least 7 they were pretty good. red mage ftw

Am relieved to hear that it is a FPS. Ordering spartans around is up my back alley.

I, too, speculated that it would be class-based. The Spartan could be like, TF2's Heavy, and then maybe have like an ODST as the Scout, or something.

Yeah, thats more or less what I was thinking Mobster. The bulky spartan on the left in the image is afaik an EOD armored spartan who is just really bulky, he'd be the heavy.

I pretty much assumed it'd be an FPS, I'm just hoping the gameplay is different than classic halo. It could still be class based and an FPS, or some other style.

Anyways, I have a new speculation about the games campaign:

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Originally Posted by Corndogman

Thought about Reach:

Perhaps you just play through the story of the fall of reach, as a spartan most likely, whether it be 117 or not. The campaign plays until the planet is glassed, then does a "___ years later" thing. You pick up where halo 3 left off, the planet is Reach, and you end up rescuing the lost spartans from when the planet was glassed or something.

Personally, I think that would be fucking awesome.

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Most likely not happening that way. You do know what it means for a planet to be glassed?

Well I've always heard people saying there was a possibility of some spartans surviving it. I know what it means, but once again it was merely speculation.

Even a spartan couldn't survive the glassing of every inch of the planet's surface, and the boiling of the atmosphere.

Some Spartans escaped, though. One of the Halo books (First Strike? Or maybe it was The Fall of Reach?) explains how some of the Spartans managed to get off-planet.

It was First Strike, but that was just because the Covenant were searching for an artifact, so they did not glass that portion of Reach.

Why, for any single second, would anyone think a Halo game with Bungie involved wouldn't be an FPS? I mean, they only revolutionized the genre with their unique touches and sold millions of copies of the games while doing so. It'll be interesting to see how this one unfolds.

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Originally Posted by ODX

I mean, they only revolutionized the genre with their unique touches and sold millions of copies of the games while doing so.

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I could do a horrifically detailed and angry rant about the bold statement, but I'll keep it a short answer. I don't think Halo revolutionized ANYTHING other than having recharging shields.

That said, you are right about Bungie having a tried-and-true formula, and it definitely wouldn't make sense for them to change it, at least not much.

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Originally Posted by Jean-Luc

I could do a horrifically detailed and angry rant about the bold statement, but I'll keep it a short answer. I don't think Halo revolutionized ANYTHING other than having recharging shields.

That said, you are right about Bungie having a tried-and-true formula, and it definitely wouldn't make sense for them to change it, at least not much.

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Well if i remember correctly it was halo for the xbox that finaly resolved the fps aiming issues with consoles, i remember playing games like golden eye and not being able to look up very accurately and then halo came along and i found it very easy to control the camera.

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Originally Posted by =sw=warlord

Well if i remember correctly it was halo for the xbox that finaly resolved the fps aiming issues with consoles, i remember playing games like golden eye and not being able to look up very accurately and then halo came along and i found it very easy to control the camera.

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Yeah, about the only thing Halo had going for it was that it was a very accessible console FPS. The aim assistance, control scheme, recharging shields over health, and the fact that grenades were tied to a dedicated button (as opposed to being a seperate weapon) are what made it appealing.

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Originally Posted by p0lar_bear

Yeah, about the only thing Halo had going for it was that it was a very accessible console FPS. The aim assistance, control scheme, recharging shields over health, and the fact that grenades were tied to a dedicated button (as opposed to being a seperate weapon) are what made it appealing.

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Not to mention the materials system, advanced (for the time) AI, unusually deep plot for an FPS, and the slightly tactical two-weapon system.

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Originally Posted by Jean-Luc

Even a spartan couldn't survive the glassing of every inch of the planet's surface, and the boiling of the atmosphere.

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They didn't glass every inch because the surface contained forerunner artifacts. Some areas were left unglassed because of this. Atleast thats what I remember reading in First Strike.

A class based game COULD be cool if they did it anywhere near as good as TF2... Unfortunately all I know for sure is that it's a FPS that takes place during the fall of Reach, possibly with tie-ins to "The Fall of Reach" novel.

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Originally Posted by Disaster

They didn't glass every inch because the surface contained forerunner artifacts. Some areas were left unglassed because of this. Atleast thats what I remember reading in First Strike.

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Which he also said before..Read.

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Originally Posted by ODX

Why, for any single second, would anyone think a Halo game with Bungie involved wouldn't be an FPS? I mean, they only revolutionized the genre with their unique touches and sold millions of copies of the games while doing so. It'll be interesting to see how this one unfolds.

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Originally Posted by ODX

I mean, they only revolutionized the genre with their unique touches and sold millions of copies of the games while doing so. It'll be interesting to see how this one unfolds.

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Originally Posted by ODX

I mean, they only revolutionized the genre with their unique touches and sold millions of copies of the games while doing so.

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Originally Posted by ODX

revolutionized the genre

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This is a troll post, isn't it?
Nobody actually thinks like this, right?
:ohdear:

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Originally Posted by n00b1n8R

This is a troll post, isn't it?
Nobody actually thinks like this, right?
:ohdear:

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How many FPSs before Halo1 had vehicles in their MP engines that weren't total shit? How many FPSs actually had such a large community following before then that including homebrew modding? How many FPSs actually implemented saved films of both your campaign and multiplayer action? I'm sure others can dive deeper into the exact concepts they tweaked and improved upon. Improvements are still revolutionary. They don't have to be fucking BLOW-YOUR-PANTS-OFF-AND-FUCK-YOUR-MOTHER-REMOTELY-VIA-AN-INTERNET-CONNECTION new shit to be revolutionary. Any idea, no matter how small, has a ripple effect to all others. What they do changes the thoughts of others around them who play their games and who compete for their players.

Well, tbqh, Half-Life was revolutionary. Halo was evolutionary (get the pun).

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Originally Posted by Pooky

Well, tbqh, Half-Life was revolutionary. Halo was evolutionary (get the pun).

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Im still not sure how half life was revolutionary, i have the original pc copy as well as the orange box and i can't really see what all the fuzz is, maybe im just used to duke nukem 3d for psx. :ohdear:

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Originally Posted by =sw=warlord

Im still not sure how half life was revolutionary, i have the original pc copy as well as the orange box and i can't really see what all the fuzz is, maybe im just used to duke nukem 3d for psx. :ohdear:

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It was the use of math and science to further the story and present challenges to the player... but not many good games did that afterwards. Just Half-Life's own sequels...

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Originally Posted by AdmiralBacon

It was the use of math and science to further the story and present challenges to the player... but not many good games did that afterwards. Just Half-Life's own sequels...

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Only if you read more into the universe past what the game presents. Nothing truly scientific was presented to Gordon throughout the games past all of the physics puzzles in Half-Life 2 and its episodes.

Hell, Barney pokes fun at that fact at the beginning of Half-Life 2 when the teleporter gets unplugged and you plug it back in. "Yeah, I can see that MIT education is really paying off."

Resident Evil's plant boss had more science to it than HL.

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Originally Posted by p0lar_bear

Only if you read more into the universe past what the game presents. Nothing truly scientific was presented to Gordon throughout the games past all of the physics puzzles in Half-Life 2 and its episodes.

Hell, Barney pokes fun at that fact at the beginning of Half-Life 2 when the teleporter gets unplugged and you plug it back in. "Yeah, I can see that MIT education is really paying off."

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Just a scientific man forced into a situation he shouldn't be in, :p

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Originally Posted by Jean-Luc

I could do a horrifically detailed and angry rant about the bold statement, but I'll keep it a short answer. I don't think Halo revolutionized ANYTHING other than having recharging shields.

That said, you are right about Bungie having a tried-and-true formula, and it definitely wouldn't make sense for them to change it, at least not much.

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Halo was the first FPS i ever played with controls that made sense. I had also never gotten to use melee without being out of ammo before. Sticking grenades were a cool idea I hadn't seen, plus the ability to drive vehicles in third person, allies riding with you... A multitude of different and unique enemies that would not only fight you, they fought each other. All in all, halo is a very well thought out game that implements a lot of different features and weaponry while still maintaining a simple interface that made it comfortable to players new to the genre. It receives a lot of badmouthing from players who are still upset about the dramatic change of halo 1 to halo 3 (not all of these changes were really positive), and from anyone who is a die hard of another game in the genre. Its not fair to compare halo to newer games, as a lot of people do. Many games built off of halo's ideals and learned from its flaws.

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Originally Posted by ICEE

Many games built off of halo's ideals and learned from its flaws.

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I'd just like to put here that I share the sentiment with Yahtzee that it's Halo's fault entirely for the death of the health meter in most modern FPSs. :(

It's not so much that games are using that feature, but that it's caused an increase of games where you play as a supersoldier with regenerating health, or it's been misused, put on player characters where it makes no sense or breaks the point of the character, like Faith in Mirror's Edge. She's an unarmed, somewhat fragile acrobat who winds up with more lead in her than a war veteran by the end of the game yet she can still pull off whacky acrobatics no matter what.

As if that were actually halo's "fault". If other game designers copy that idea, let them. There are games that have taken the concept further to create a more balanced feel (farcry2)

If anything, that's Halo 2's fault. Halo has a health meter, remember ;)
e: And most people miss the fact that Halo 2 and Halo 3 still have health, you just don't get a meter for it.

^ and it regenerates anyways.

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Originally Posted by AdmiralBacon

It was the use of math and science to further the story and present challenges to the player... but not many good games did that afterwards. Just Half-Life's own sequels...

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Uhh... not really.

Every FPS before Half-Life was pretty much an utterly unrealistic bunny hopping rocket fest. Half-Life changed everything up by providing a (comparatively) realistic and immersive experience. A somewhat believable plot, somewhat realistic weapons, NPCs that had a role other than just dying, and so on. That was a huge change compared to games like DOOM and Quake.

Wolfenstein, Doom, Quake, and Marathon were all revolutionary for their times as well. Each had their own unique implementations.

Wolfenstein and Doom speak for themselves, couple of the first FPSes in existance, Doom even brought about ESRB, Quake brought a new standard of graphics and sparked the arena-style deathmatch fest that went on durring those years, and Marathon (1 at least) brought in features like reloading and radars as well as some pretty impressive visuals.

Every game nowadays having that "recharging health" does get kind of annoying though tbh... health packs have always been a huge part of FPSes until Halo came along.

^Halo 2, not Halo.

As far as I am concerned, the mechanic in Halo 2 changed so greatly from Halo 1 that they can't be considered the same; Halo 1 requires some strategy, where as Halo 2 can be played aggressively with little thought put into anything...same can be said of Halo 3 (though I do think it is an improvement over Halo 2). I hope this new game is a more tactical FPS, maybe with some Rainbow Six or GoW inspired elements thrown in. I don't want an assault rifle that sprays like a mother and does fuck all damage to the target, that's not how modern military weapons work. Also, darker, grittier, more realistic feel would be appreciated. Halo is pretty good already, but it is a bit comical.

As for the Reach being glassed thing mentioned way back, some of the Spartans survived because the Covenant left the region around the equator intact in order to excavate the crystal underneath CASTLE.

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Originally Posted by t3h m00kz

Wolfenstein, Doom, Quake, and Marathon were all revolutionary for their times as well. Each had their own unique implementations.

Wolfenstein and Doom speak for themselves, couple of the first FPSes in existance, Doom even brought about ESRB, Quake brought a new standard of graphics and sparked the arena-style deathmatch fest that went on durring those years, and Marathon (1 at least) brought in features like reloading and radars as well as some pretty impressive visuals.

Every game nowadays having that "recharging health" does get kind of annoying though tbh... health packs have always been a huge part of FPSes until Halo came along.

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Again, people like to throw around the term 'revolution' way too much where it's not appropriate. DOOM is by no means a bad game, but to call it a 'revolution' compared to Wolfenstein just doesn't make sense. DOOM took the concept of Wolfenstein and evolved it to the next level, Quake did the same to DOOM.

And Half-Life did the same to Quake, to be honest. They both have puzzles of sorts, it's just that Half-Life took it to another level...hell, Half-Life even uses the Quake II engine (in modified form).

The only revolutionary game i can think off is portal and thats due to the portal code they used allowing you to stand in between the portals of different parts of the bsp.

I hate games without some form of regenerating health. In games like HL2, if I make some sort of mistake (it happens), I might end up with ~10 health and still have to play through some firefight to get to another health pack, when I'd have a much easier time just resetting to the last checkpoint and playing the segment over again. The Halo 1 system works really well, because I do get punished for mistakes, but I still have a reasonable chance to get through the next battles.

I'd rather concentrate on each individual battle than on health management and trying not to lose so much heath that I'm better-off reverting to the last checkpoint. I'm glad all the Halo games, and stuff like Mirror's Edge, Gears of War, and Mass Effect have shield-like systems. Even the Metroid Prime games avoid the issue by giving the player a lot of health and having enemies sometimes drop extra health.

We had this discussion about health a while ago in another thread...

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I though this wasi interesting:

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The Seattle Times article also touches on the future of Bungie and a bit more on the little known Halo game Reach.
Bungie told the paper that they got an early look at Project Natal. Studio head Harold Ryan said it could be used in "Reach." "I absolutely think 'Reach' could be enabled with it," he said.

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Source: http://kotaku.com/5303624/halo-odst-...use-natal-tech


I wonder how they would pull of an FPS game using Natal? I would definately be interesting nonetheless

Jog in place to run, and the game will detect a trigger finger motion to shoot...:lol:.

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I though this wasi interesting:

Source: http://kotaku.com/5303624/halo-odst-...use-natal-tech


I wonder how they would pull of an FPS game using Natal? I would definately be interesting nonetheless

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As long as you can still use a controller, I'm Ok with this. I'm not someone to do odd motions in front of their TV, especially when it's a small TV like mine.

It be cool if you could like use your hand to like wave your marines to go to a location or signal something in MP. I think Halo should always be primarily be played with a controller.

I think I speak for almost everybody here when I say that FPS games and Project Natal don't quite go together, and if we can't use a controller, then this game will fail. I don't know about you guys, but sometimes after a long, tiring shift at work, I don't feel like coming home and jumping up and down, but rather sit down, relax, and control the guy on the screen with the energy-consuming and easier to use controller.

So in short, Halo + Natal = no.

The game isn't going to be natal centric, they have like 13 months more to work on it before it has to be mass produced.

I think, like masters said, it will be used to make gestures.
Besides, who wouldn't love to be playing mp, and give some killstealing asshole the one fingered salute?

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The game isn't going to be natal centric, they have like 13 months more to work on it before it has to be mass produced.

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I know it won't, but I'm just saying what people would think if it did end up being like that, at least from what I've heard. I guess there's nothing we can really do about it though anyway.

I think if they use natal in this, it will probably just be a motion-axis style thing, where you can swing the controller to melee like in CoD3 on PS3.

Halo Reach with Project Natal you say?

hrmmmm

This guy made it...

Just guessing...

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This guy made it...

Just guessing...

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Well, he did upload it (Profile says "Name: Dark Navi")...

He flipped the Teaser upside down, and slowed it down, then played Halo Wars music in the background (We're Burning Sunshine to be more specific).

I doubt that Halo Reach is that far yet.

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Originally Posted by sdavis117

He flipped the Teaser upside down, and slowed it down, then played Halo Wars music in the background (We're Burning Sunshine to be more specific).

I doubt that Halo Reach is that far yet.

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Shhh... Don't ruin my mirror image...

The technology behind Halo reach http://www.gameguru.in/first-person-...ng-halo-reach/ .

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Halo 3 was really fun to play but the technology powering it seemed a little late for 2007, even though it featured some of the largest landfill arenas in modern day shooters. The newest addition in the series, which places the player in the shoes of an orbital drop shock trooper whose mission is to recover fragments of his teammates who disappeared during the events of New Mombasa, utilizes a modified version of the original Halo 3 engine.



Halo: Reach is being propagated as the next game to use technology that packs a wallop and this is what is being discussed as being put into the new engine that is being developed for the game. These features were spoken extensively at this years’ GDC conference with reference to DX11 technology:

Tessellators with close to 30K characters to achieve cinematic quality features.

The Hull Shader to patch control points in order to modify the behavioral pattern of the tessellator.

Domain Shader to optimize performance of the output of the GPU in order to mitigate bandwidth use.

These features allow real-time display of real-time images which are otherwise not achieved making creation of objects in the world easier for programmers whilst saving up on a limited memory module. Silhouette elaboration and terrain rendering whose objects offer a healthy degree of curvature.

All this allows for a visually heavy game in the Halo series. More as time elapses.

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I wouldn't be surprsied if they up'd the max allowable players in Reach either

Eh, I wont be happy unless its 60 players max per match. 30 on each team.

Am I the only one hoping that Reach is a similar type of game as Star Wars : Battlefront, even if just a bit?

yeah, something like that would be pretty cool

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Eh, I wont be happy unless its 60 players max per match. 30 on each team.

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It wouldn't be the same "halo" with 60 players :eyesroll:

I think 32 players would be pretty good, 16 on each side.

It ain't supposed to be the same Halo dude...we've had the same type of multiplay for 3 games going on 4; time for a switch. :D Though I think 60 is a little much, and an off-beat number to boot...usually games that support that many go to 64 players.

Honestly, if Reach is another FPS of the exact same caliber, I will be pissed.
Honestly, we have halo 1, 2, 3, and ODST. We don't need ANOTHER regular halo.