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I'm not going to lie, there is a serious lack of detail on not only the base, but the rock faces as well. The former lacks Forerunner symbolic intricacies and styling and the latter looks like a rounded off rock with an overcomplex texture laid on top.
Did you read what i've said or did you just look at the pictures and base your assumptions?Quote:
Originally Posted by Warsaw
One thing you note, not all rock is sharp and jagged what is it with some people not realising this?
Are you even familar with the term work in progress?Quote:
Originally Posted by Boba
You realise my apparently shitty mod has made front page 3 times on Crymod and frontpage on bungie.org twice right?
You mean current-gen.Quote:
Originally Posted by Boba
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Originally Posted by =sw=warlord
Crymod is a joke, mostly everyone there is an idiot. Making front page means absolutely nothing, they're notorious for putting garbage on the front page of their site, such as this:
http://www.crymod.com/uploads/mediap...74render15.jpg
http://crymod.com/thread.php?threadid=57246
http://www.crymod.com/uploads/mediap...n/081209/1.jpg
http://www.crymod.com/uploads/mediap...n/redcamo3.jpg
If you say it's a wip keep making improvements and post them.
I would love to keep posting updates but when all i hear is "it's shit" or "you do realise this is crysis right?" it becomes irritating.Quote:
Originally Posted by mech
Yes i realise this is crysis i chose it for the simple fact it is one of the most advanced FPS game's out there and i enjoy using it's editor.
Saying something looks shit dosn't help unless you actualy describe whats wrong.
As far as im concerned i actualy like my metal shaders, yes the geometry needs to be broken up so it isn't repeating but that isn't the shaders fault.
In the past 3 days alone i have made 2 structures i plan on getting as much detail on as possible to help break the terrain and make the arena more like it has a purpose as if it is actually a facility.
I dare say though if i showed them right now the next comment i would get is "hurr needs more nex-gen" nex gen is next generation, what i need to do is work on current generation which is where crysis is.
I would like to beg the question, who says stuff has to be next-gen for Crysis? I'm considering putting my game idea for University into Crysis (we have to use a pre-existing engine), just because of the functionality Crysis gives. Its alot better than the Blam! engine.
Also mech, your seriously saying this is garbage, I dont think you have your head screwed on right..
You should henceforth assume that I read everything unless I specifically state that I haven't, because I actually do state when I haven't read an entire thread. When I say something, it's because that's what crosses my mind in response. So yes, I did read it, and taking what you said into consideration I still think it looks bad. The lack of detail I mentioned has nothing to do with the floor texture or glass, it has everything to do with you sticking to flat-faced...faces...on the building. You can spare some polygons for some intricate cutouts in CE2 and you should finish the architecture before skinning it anyways. As it is, the blandness sticks out just as much now as it did several pages ago.Quote:
Originally Posted by =sw=warlord
As for the rock faces, I will concede that they are not always jagged. However, yours are jagged on top, and the texture is one that is supposed to be used on a jagged surface anyways. In addition, most smooth rocks actually look the part and even if they have multiple layers/colours, they are generally flowing and not all zig-zaggy. Also, smooth rocks appear in places with a lot of wind and/or precipitation. However, sand is liable to make some interesting cuts. Go look at some real life island cliffs for some inspirational material.
Now, I'm not saying you are a terrible modder and should go shoot yourself. What I'm saying is have some discipline to finish one aspect first, and then move on to the next. That is, finish the model and post up a wireframe and/or clay render as an update so people can make suggestions. Don't post up a half-baked model of a base with a half-baked texture and expect praise.
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Originally Posted by LimitedI would like to beg the question, who says stuff has to be next-gen for Crysis? I'm considering putting my game idea for University into Crysis (we have to use a pre-existing engine), just because of the functionality Crysis gives. Its alot better than the Blam! engine.
Also mech, your seriously saying this is garbage, I dont think you have your head screwed on right..
Well yeah, seeing as how it's nothing but crysis stock assets :downs:
Not original and simple to do.
I don't think you have a brain in your head at all if you don't realise that the majority of the shit on that website is jungle map jungle map jungle map.
It may use stock geometry however jungle maps are extremely hard to master. So don't say they are easy to do.
Uh, not really. Its simple. Have you ever used the Sandbox2 editor? Making things like that is really quite simple, they have a entire vegetation painting tool and you can choose which vegetation and make separate groups. And just by browsing though a couple other tutorials, you could probably do all of that thats in those pictures.Quote:
Originally Posted by Limited
Don't be a blithering idiot, of course I've used the Sandbox 2 editor. Any one can plonk down some trees, a touch of grass and a lil dirt and hey-press-to they have a jungle!, making that jungle look good is a completely different thing, it takes time and effort.Quote:
Originally Posted by higuy
i disagree. you just suck at it i guess
Then post some of the amazing jungles you've made.
not quite a jungle, but this was me fucking around a year ago. excuse me if i didnt give it really shitty atmospherics like that guy did, but i think this pretty well demonstrates how easy it is to make a jungle after only using sandbox for like a week.
meh, it doesn't really look that great. Maybe you need more pics? Looks more like a forest, rather than a jungle.Quote:
Originally Posted by flyinrooster
Can we not shit up my thread with children trying to swing their E-peens around here.
The threads existance is for updates on the mod not for swinging your dicks about trying to pull ranks on each other.
This is exactly why i dont update here often because theres always some kid that wants to try and swing their dick where it dosn't belong.
Someone said swinging E peens?
Also the point of posting is to get criticism. And there is plenty of good crit in here.
Don't even play that fucking game. By updates, you mean "I want attention directed at me". Did you ever consider people "swinging their dick" is actually an attempt to help you improve your work? You keep saying work in progress, but it's clear you don't know how to utilize what this engine has to offer. If you did, you would not be posting assets that look like they belong in CE. You should have figured out how to make high res assets before you plunge in a project this involved. Stop, step back and do a crash course in modern techniques. Actually know what you're doing before you post a thread and brag about what shitty websites promote you.Quote:
Originally Posted by =sw=warlord
Sel go shit post else where, i don't shit post in yours you don't in mine.Quote:
Originally Posted by Boba
That's boba. A good project takes time, effort and skill. Keep working at it, you only can get better from what you've got.Quote:
Originally Posted by =sw=warlord
I decided to start over with the spartan biped.
This one inspired by Jorges helmet but without the attachments.
Im using the concept art from bungies website for this.
http://i44.tinypic.com/263acd3.png
Looks good so far but without the attachment, the front is dull.
Putting a small indent in the middle of the sun visor would help fix that. Other than that, lookin' pretty good so far.
superb next-gen highres crysis-standard assets you've got there!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You mean current gen, technicaly it would be past gen considering Crysis came out in 07.Quote:
Originally Posted by neuro
Quit the bitching about me not making high poly models, It was shit like that which got the thread locked the first time around.
so start doing a better job, it's not like it's hard, and there's a ton of tutorials on how to do 'past gen' stuff as you call it.
My advice to you is to complete your assets one by one, with current gen (not past gen :rolleyes:) techniques. And stop clay rendering it hides mistakes and you can't get proper crit. Your work won't be well received until you show you're doing more than past gen engines can use. Stop getting mad and actually put the work in to get the responses you're looking for and stop arguing with the actual good and reliable critique and advice you've gotten.
Let me ask you something, if the techniques im using are getting the results im looking for, then what exactly is the issue?Quote:
Originally Posted by neuro
If for example i was modeling a organic object then yes, higher polygons would be better, but at the moment i would rather get what im learning in the books that i've got down first.
I have actualy invested money into teaching myself this not just looked up tutorials, so do not accuse me of not making an effort.
Using current generation techniques is not the key to "doing a better job" the results are, as far as i am concerned, plane modeling the objects are purely a means to an end, i do use some sub-D but not much, i would rather use what i make with sub-D for example files, not as assets for a mod im working on.
Here's a few renders without the clay lighting.Quote:
Originally Posted by SnaFuBAR
There are some smoothing issues I need to clean up, as well as one or two non-planars that have escaped me, but those will be cleaned up soon.
Im not getting "mad" at all, My only gripe is that people seem to think because objects can be put into older games, they should which I find to be completely wrong.
There are many games with assets in them that could be supported by older games such as Modern warfare 2, Left 4 dead 1&2, Halo 3& ODST are just some examples.
I have actually put some effort into this project, As you know from our conversation few weeks back, I have actualy invested in a fair bit getting afew books you've suggested and currently have around 1GB worth of text tutorials.
I am currently working on the spartan now, I have a working map prototype, I have scenary and bases with custom particle effects linked to them, So now I want to work on getting a custom spartan biped ingame.
http://i40.tinypic.com/34nfse8.pnghttp://i40.tinypic.com/8wf7eu.png
Man I came in this thread looking for people posting good crit, with warlord taking it well, as well as some neat gameplay possibilities. All I see is page after page of hatin' from one party or the other.
What are the results you're looking for? So far, it all really seems lacking in dimension and detail. Are you producing a mod simply for yourself or for an audience? If it's the later, you really need to step it up more and get more out of your work.Quote:
Originally Posted by =sw=warlord
Current gen techniques in a current gen engine are very much part of the end result, and you need to remember that.
Sub-D are very much an important part of your assets, use them to generate normal maps and get some visual appeal into your mod, which it is very much lacking.
Snafubar for mod
The way this started out was, I got bored of modding HCE, had learned everything i wanted to learn and generaly became content with what i had done with it.Quote:
Originally Posted by SnaFuBAR
So i looked into Crysis, i had heard about it's editing kit and was curious if anyone had made a Halo mod for, there were a few being developed but nothing to write home about.
Because of this I decided I would ditch the HEK and go for a more powerfull game, one which I could use my own creativity more freely than the HEK.
So I started writing up designs and messing about with the editor and basicly prepared to make a full blown Halo mod for Crysis, I did actually ask around if anyone wanted to help out but no one was interested, so im doing this by my self.
Since my progress has taken some attention at Crymod, which is where I ask all my questions on Sandbox2, I've had atleast 4 people asking if they can help out with the mod.
I'm generaly doing this for my own entertainment for the time being, i agree much of what i've done is lacking detail, but some things such as the helmet can have some of the details put into the diffuse, i don't want to overstretch myself adding way too much detail to one asset at a time, as i think the time would be better used making the objects one at a time but at a medium.
As i have said, i've looked into current gen techniques and i am slowly getting the hang of it but untill i have it nailed down, i don't want to risk trying to make a serious mod asset using the technique in the off chance i might drasticly fuck one part up and cannot fix it.
if you fuck up and it sucks, try again, or delete it?
simple fix imo.
save in iterations, hth
As I said once, If I am uncomfortable making assets for the mod with a certain technique, Why exactly should I force myself to carry on knowing full well the consequences of what could happen?Quote:
Originally Posted by neuro
If I have to delete the assets then that is a wasted attempt, That's called a setback not progress.
I save all my work in iterations, numbering each save as i go.
As much as I appreciate the suggestion on moving onto sub-D, I would appreciate it even more if we moved onto a different subject, Such as for example, what exactly i should add to the model to give it more detail, Lights? input ports in the side of the head?
I have refined the shape a little bit more and added some little details, I am very aware alot of these details are mere insets and extrudes, but as of the moment I am stuck on what I should add.
http://i44.tinypic.com/2wc2v43.png
Hey Warlord, if you don't like their criticism don't read it.
EDIT: ~Snip. Why did I think i was in the quick crit thread?
Hey, PlasbianX, how about you actualy read the thread, i've actualy asked for critizism on the mesh, as well as several other assets for the mod.
I've explained several times why i have not used current generation techniques for the assets in the mod.
Also if you plan on posting your work post it in your own thread, not mine.
ATTN WARLORD: If you don't like the criticism and you just want to do it your own way regardless of what we think WHY THE FUCK ARE YOU POSTING IT. Do you like being insulted or something?
Oh im sorry, are my replies completely transparent here or something?Quote:
Originally Posted by Inferno
Where have i said i dislike criticism?
No seriously quote where I said that.
Im pretty sure my attitude thus far has been pretty straight forward, you are simply skiming the replies and making assumptions based on that.
When you Assume, you make yourself look like a ass and it takesme to correct you
1) Please comment on the models and suggest anything that needs to be corrected, any minor details that I may missed.
2) I am currently learning current generation modeling techniques in paralel to the asset's being made and am slowly integrating what i have learned over to the newer models, thus why i have restarted several assets such as the spartan biped, i agreed that the biped needed more work and so am working on a newer model.
3) i have fairly regulary, asked Snafubar for advice on certain techniques to achieve what i want to make and also asked for any suggestions on books i should look into purchasing, i currently have one by Andrew gahan for *gasp* next generation modeling and game asset creation.
Amazing i know, considering i have had this book since the last summer but apparently, the methods shown in the book are wrong, even though the author himself also happens to be a professional artist, One would ask themself, how someone who would not know anything of their trade, become hired and then go on to make a very popular book.
Has no one noticed the changes in my modeling practice at all since the beginning of when i was posting some of my works in the cirt thread?
Look through the thread again And then accuse me of not making any effort.
Inferno, look at it this way, atleast im making my own assets and taking the time to learn more techniques than porting assets from a 8 year old game with little work involved.
Protip: You can only be insulted if you take the negativity to heart, i've been around these forums for some time and have learned what kind of atomosphere this site holds, So i don't take any "insults" to heart and ignore them, im a big enough man to shrug off petty insults without any issue and if you think any comments on these forums are bad insults then you obviously have not learned all too many life lessons.
See my post on page 13 for what to add to the helmet. Oh, some lines on the face plate might be good, too.
I've been taking screenshots from Halo 3 of the different helmets and looking for what i think would look to be the best pattern used, thus far I have a choice between the pattern on the halo 2/3 helmet or the pattern on jorge, I'm leaning towards the one from halo 2/3 but I would like some input on what others think.Quote:
Originally Posted by Warsaw
Being as it provoked a serious reaction out of you (lol rage TLDR post and -rep) I think that troll was somewhat successful.
Additionally this thread is bad.
Oh, i see you couldn't come up with a better retort to my reply?Quote:
Originally Posted by Inferno
Oh what a shame i was looking forward to having a half decent discussion, such a shame you back away at any chance of a challenge.
That was not a serious reaction, trust me, i don't do serious reactions on internet forums, There's no need.
You wanted a honest reply to what you were saying, so i gave you exactly that.
Lol. I really don't want to continue this. I'm too close to being banned.
Do you have anything playable yet? Besides the big bland field with a Valhalla base in it.
Yes, i do have a playable map currently, i've been working on flowgraphs as well, though there isnt exactly anything worth a public beta as of the moment because as you know, i am the only one working on ingame assets teltaur is helping with bitmaps but everything else is my own work.Quote:
Originally Posted by Inferno
This shit is as exciting as House mang, keep them drama arguments coming!
Warlord, your never going to progress in your modeling techniques if you don't try new things every once in a while.
Doing the same thing over and over will get boring, and your limiting your potential, its a very narrow view of things.
Just try a small thing, that if scrapped you dont worry about, yes its bad if you lose 10 or 20 hours worth of work, but you will never achieve new goals if you stick with the bread and butter.
i was serious when i said save in iterations. model it with the newer techniques, and each time you hit a milestone on the model, save it under a different name. "spartanhelm_1, spartanhelm_2, etc." if you save it that way often enough, there should be minimal data loss if any. youre out of excuses, just do it.
[IMG]file:///C:/Users/Lee/AppData/Local/Temp/moz-screenshot.png[/IMG]Im getting bored of people not reading the fucking replies and only skimming.Quote:
Originally Posted by Limited
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I am currently learning current generation modeling techniques in paralel to the asset's being made and am slowly integrating what i have learned over to the newer models, thus why i have restarted several assets such as the spartan biped, i agreed that the biped needed more work and so am working on a newer model.
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Originally Posted by flyinrooster
I've just taken a pretty picture incase the bold doesn't get the message across.Quote:
I save all my work in iterations, numbering each save as i go.
http://i41.tinypic.com/2din98g.png
Now, last chance, Move onto the project at hand than dwell on the same thing fron the past several pages, Snafubar you said you was going to clean the thread up a month ago.
last chance? project at hand?
what are you going to do, lock the thread? shouldve done that a while ago, honestly. and last time i checked, your helmet is the project at hand, and thats what everyone is discussing. if you already save your work in iterations, there is no reason, literally no reason for you not to make a high res version of the mesh and bake the normals. the only other reasons for you not to are that you're either lazy or incapable. both would imply that you're really not fit to carry out a project such as this and bring it into completion; if those are playing any role in your decision in making halo ce quality assets, i think you may wish to consider switching engines or abandoning this mod.
I know you'd rather have crit on your work, but I'd rather go with your attitude. Not just because I have little knowledge on modeling and that I'm sick of seeing this linked to me followed by a "lol," but because even I can tell that you're not in the right mindset for this kind of thread. Spoilering this section in case you're in the mood to take things personally:
So, enough of that. I'll just suggest this: Listen to these guys. These last few pages have been you vs. SnaF, Inferno, neuro, and a few others. Doesn't sound like a good idea to me. If I were in your position, I'd be practically bending over for these guys, as they have WAY more than enough to back their suggestions up. If I were getting crit on my work from Martin O'Donnell/Jay Weinland/C Paul Johnson, you'd bet your ass that every suggestion would be followed by a "yes, sir."
Nothing personal. Just take a step back. In fact, an experiment: Literally do everything they tell you to do, and measure your progress. If it is making everything worse, then you don't need them/this thread. Otherwise... well, yeah.
Truth is, i've gotten further than both teams that tried working on this combined, I currently have a working map, I have several assets ready and am continuing on with the project, over thwe course of time I am improving the works i make and occationaly remaking assets I feel need changing.Quote:
Originally Posted by flyinrooster
Making a model high poly doe's not immediately make that model suitable for a current generation engine, all that means is it has more polygons, I would like to think a well done medium polygon model would be better suited than a badly made high polygon model.
I truely am starting to get bored of this constant bicker, I made this thread purely for a few people here who i know are interested in the project and was suggested i should make a thread here.How stupid was I to think, it would be a worthwhile thing to do.
I think from now on I will only update this thread once im ready to release a more complete update.
That way, I wont get Sel&Chains shitting up the thread and the constant bickering.
@Flibit, Inferno is no Snafubar, he may be decent with the CE engine but the last time i saw him working on a model, he was remodeling stock models in PC under the name of Wanksta.
"Spoilering this section in case you're in the mood to take things personally:"
What is it with people thinking im going to take comments on this forum personally?
I've stated once I really do not take anything personally on a online forum, I literally have possibly the longest fuse when it comes to anger, and considering I may never meet any one member on these forums in person, loosing my temper here would be futile.
Yes, I occationaly get frustrated, that's natural, currently I feel like we're both trying to say someonething to one another but although im listening, no one is listening to me, which is where the frustration comes in.
How exactly can I move on when no one is allowing me to?
" This leads me to believe you have never worked on a mod before. Even a total moron like me knows it's not that simple in any engine, period. Fuck, just getting my audio packages together in some engines can be a bitch, I can't imagine the psychological pain that visual artists/designers go through."
I've worked on several actually, I doubt you would remember, but I was actually in the group of modders back in 05/06 with DECOY, conure and others who got the first CE-PC UI working along with setting up what was at the time the largest collection of PC modding tutorials along with other things.
I've also worked on several PC full halo mods, which as you may or may not know is a hell of alot harder to do with just meta editors than a full blown editing kit.
The engines I have worked with for mods are as follows, HCE, UE2 and now CE2.
"You're seriously disagreeing with someone who *literally* wrote the fucking book on it? Learning new things often requires forgetting the what you think you know."
You literally missed the entire thing, i am using the techniques described in the book, to make my assets, how hard is it to understand that?
Honestly, talk about warping things out of context.
This is exactly where the frustration comes from, I'm using techniques straight out of the book and I am getting burned for it out of peoples ignorance.
Honestly, can we skip past the whole low poly thing and move onto something else, such as what should I add to the mod, what features should I look into, what vehicles I should add if any.
This whole low polygon issue has been done to death now and all it is doing is making me tired of this place, i used to enjoy visiting here but with the constant bickering, that enjoyment is starting to fade the same way my enjoyment of modding for CE died which was the entire reason I wanted to learn CE2.
Truth is, i've gotten further than both teams that tried working on this combined, I currently have a working map, I have several assets ready and am continuing on with the project, over thwe course of time I am improving the works i make and occationaly remaking assets I feel need changing.Quote:
Originally Posted by flyinrooster
Making a model high poly doe's not immediately make that model suitable for a current generation engine, all that means is it has more polygons, I would like to think a well done medium polygon model would be better suited than a badly made high polygon model.
I truely am starting to get bored of this constant bicker, I made this thread purely for a few people here who i know are interested in the project and was suggested i should make a thread here.How stupid was I to think, it would be a worthwhile thing to do.
I think from now on I will only update this thread once im ready to release a more complete update.
That way, I wont get Sel&Chains shitting up the thread and the constant bickering.
@Flibit, Inferno is no Snafubar, he may be decent with the CE engine but the last time i saw him working on a model, he was remodeling stock models in PC under the name of Wanksta.
What is it with people thinking im going to take comments on this forum personally?Quote:
"Spoilering this section in case you're in the mood to take things personally:"
I've stated once I really do not take anything personally on a online forum, I literally have possibly the longest fuse when it comes to anger, and considering I may never meet any one member on these forums in person, loosing my temper here would be futile.
Yes, I occationaly get frustrated, that's natural, currently I feel like we're both trying to say someonething to one another but although im listening, no one is listening to me, which is where the frustration comes in.
How exactly can I move on when no one is allowing me to?
I've worked on several actually, I doubt you would remember, but I was actually in the group of modders back in 05/06 with DECOY, conure and others who got the first CE-PC UI working along with setting up what was at the time the largest collection of PC modding tutorials along with other things.Quote:
" This leads me to believe you have never worked on a mod before. Even a total moron like me knows it's not that simple in any engine, period. Fuck, just getting my audio packages together in some engines can be a bitch, I can't imagine the psychological pain that visual artists/designers go through."
I've also worked on several PC full halo mods, which as you may or may not know is a hell of alot harder to do with just meta editors than a full blown editing kit.
The engines I have worked with for mods are as follows, HCE, UE2 and now CE2.
You literally missed the entire thing, i am using the techniques described in the book, to make my assets, how hard is it to understand that?Quote:
"You're seriously disagreeing with someone who *literally* wrote the fucking book on it? Learning new things often requires forgetting the what you think you know."
Honestly, talk about warping things out of context.
This is exactly where the frustration comes from, I'm using techniques straight out of the book and I am getting burned for it out of peoples ignorance.
Honestly, can we skip past the whole low poly thing and move onto something else, such as what should I add to the mod, what features should I look into, what vehicles I should add if any.
This whole low polygon issue has been done to death now and all it is doing is making me tired of this place, i used to enjoy visiting here but with the constant bickering, that enjoyment is starting to fade the same way my enjoyment of modding for CE died which was the entire reason I wanted to learn CE2.
Look, if you want to discuss this further in a private conversation PM me your MSN or AIM and i will try to discuss this to you in person so to speak, it would be a hell of alot easier than having to make long ass replies.
oh so you just want people to suck your dick, i get it
http://img52.imageshack.us/img52/2117/mektree.png
thats fucking horrible
How about no, What I want has not changed since the beginning, all i want is a decent thread which is not filled with fucking bickering by people who fucking ignore what i say at every chance they can get.Quote:
Originally Posted by flyinrooster
Im going to put it in bulletpoint hopefully you wont miss the message for the last time.
- I purchased several books to improve my technique.
- I start using these techniques.
- I ask for criticism on my works
- I am then accused of not making any effort because the models are low polygon
- I point out the techniques i used are from the books i purchased.
- I was then told by Neuro, Snafubar as well as several others who i am told to listen to, that what i am doing is not the techniques i should be using even though i am following the book to the fucking letter.
- I move back to plane modeling.
- Accused again of not making a effort after following neuros and snafubars advice.
- Accused that i am disagreeing with the author of the book i originaly followed even though i am following snafubars and neuros advice.
Seriously, this is getting fucking retarded, either you lot are fucking trolling, which last i knew was a infractionable offense or there is some undiagnosed case of contageous retardation on your parts.
You keep trying to defend yourself, don't even reply. You're digging yourself into a deeper hole by responding, if you don't like what people have to say here, then don't post anything. Or you know, you can take their advice.
You make it sound as if you have to live up to the standard of current generation games, you dont ; however, it'd be damn impressive if you could. That's why we're pushing you. We're all halo lovers, and we would love to see halo at its finest on a good engine. That's why they we seem to get upset when you're limiting yourself.
I am taking their advice but each time i do, im cournered by them then taking a turn and saying what i just did was wrong, how hard is it for you to understand this?Quote:
Originally Posted by mech
what's the book even matter? i don't think you're reading what we're saying. we see now, for the thousandth time, that you've read a book. good for you. judging by your work, this book has nothing to do with subdivision modeling, nor baking normal maps from a high resolution mesh to a low poly mesh. you keep on saying you read the fucking book, and that now you're doing plane modeling. either way, you're still not using subdivision modeling. that's what everyone has been telling you to do. you haven't followed snaf's or neuro's advice at all, unless it's some obscure little thing they posted and not the subdivision modeling they told you you should start doing. you're the one who won't listen to people. if you're not going to do the mod right, either lock the thread so we can't bitch about it anymore, or quit.
and honestly, when you say the only reason you posted a thread was for those interested in the mod, and you reject any and all crit, it's hard not to believe that you made this thread purely to get your dick sucked and for people to tell you how great of a job you are doing. crit is almost never like that. in fact, no good crit is ever like that. if you can't take it, you're in the wrong business.
e: wrote this post before mech's post. responding to your last post, you haven't followed our advice. we aren't cornering you. we're saying what you are doing is wrong because you aren't following our advice. the advice the entire time is to move to current next-gen techniques, not to make a low poly model and paint the normals (assuming you were even going to do that).
Get on aim, lets have a thurough convo on this because im getting tired of having to make huge ass replies which one way or another get warped.Quote:
Originally Posted by flyinrooster
If you want to get this cleared up as much as i do then get on aim, i've sent you a invite.
update? :3
Not really got much to show off in terms of updates because im trying to use sub D to make legs at the moment and im not particulary comfortable with how the leg is looking thus far.Quote:
Originally Posted by neuro
But since you asked.
http://i40.tinypic.com/2nq49xy.png
try making the leg out of several pieces, instead of one.
needs more supporting edges.
Still working on this mod.
Learning how to make prefabs in sandbox and come up with a sentinel wall.
Thought I would try some sub-D modelling and came up with this.
http://i43.tinypic.com/2hno02a.jpg
for the moment the biped is just giving me too much hassle so I'm seeing what else I can get done for the mod than spend too much time on one asset.
Over the weekend I was working on a covenant cruiser to add some function to the level as there is one part of the map with a pool of coolant.
http://i39.tinypic.com/2z8spdl.png
So yeah, slowly but surely I feel it's getting there.
those wall panel textures really don't work at that scale. Also the geometry just doesn't quite seem forerunner, perhaps because the pillars are following the contour of the wall too closely.
why so little geometry detail?
I'm still experimenting with the textures for the actual wall part so that is still subject to change how ever the wall design in total is actually based on the walls found in Halo wars in some of the shield world maps where you find a edge off a cliff is covered by forerunner walls.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cagerrin
I'm looking for more ideas of what exactly I should add to the towers but at the moment I'm focusing on a communications tower kind of detail.
Here's a example of what i mean by the forerunner walls.
http://cache.g4tv.com/ImageDb3/16771...k-Released.jpg
but it doesn't look anything like those walls.
(if it did it'd look plenty forerunner)
you need undercuts, insets, more detail all over. your geometry, overall, is underwhelming.
Quite close to the real Halo, isn't it?Quote:
Originally Posted by SnaFuBAR
Ok, I'l have to see what I can add to increase the definition but I don't want to add detail for adding details sake if you know what I mean.Quote:
Originally Posted by SnaFuBAR
On that note;
Ok, I've actually started working on trying to replicate the wall, been busy recently having a overhaul of the entire terrain taking in advice from mech and a few people I know in person to make a better designed map.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cagerrin
I've actually started on adding vegetation to the map now it's gotten that far so I'm hoping the direction I'm going now will be a large improvement from what I had at the start.
I've taken cues from Halo, T&R and Tsavo highway for the function and overall look of the map, I've got active scenery being sent in by particle emitters, currently spawning pelicans but that is still subject to change.
There still needs some work admitedly in the center of the level such as hills that need smoothing out as well as various smaller issues like on some cliffs there is obvious triangulation, that will all be cleared in due process.
As for now, seeing as a single picture won't do enough to show of the progress that has been made, I've made a video to show case various parts of the level, Yes I am very much aware the first base still needs more detail, I'm planing a teleporter pad being built in to teleport you to other locations so please, take that into account as I am very interested in the crit on the project thus far.
Overhead view and video below.
http://img156.imageshack.us/img156/4...2800590113.png
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-2G4uuTcCGA
You need to look into building separate meshes for your cliff geometry. The in engine terrain for the cliffs just isn't cutting it. I also recommend adding more geometry detail to the forerunner. Its really bland right now.
Even though there is alot to be done, I am seeing a little bit of an improvement in you and this mod. Keep working hard, and listen to Disaster and everyone else.
I agree with the cliffs, and been thinking the same myself for a while, I've been experimenting with a few other tools for uses their not designed for such as the rock outcrops were made using the river toolQuote:
Originally Posted by Disaster
For the forerunner geometry what kind of detail's would you suggest?
Reason I'm asking this is I would like to retain the, how do I put it, not simplicity but style of HCE, not the bevel and extrude frenzy that was Halo 2 and 3 if you get what I mean.
Detail for definition sake not detail for detail sake.
This is much much better than before you really made some improvements with this. Lighting is the only thing that really needs improvements (besides the cliffs as stated). I suggest increasing the contrast of sun and shadow.
I'd also like to add that darkening some of the forerunner textures might make them more aesthetically pleasing. They are to bright at the moment.
I'm planning on increasing the contrast as it is, I'm not too sure simply darkening the bitmaps would do as it's more contrast that's really needed, might take a look at the specular and see what i can get with them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Disaster
Out of curiosity, what would people prefer in the sky?
I've currently got a Longsword, a CCS cruiser and a Halcyon cruiser in terms of what could be flying over the skies, at the moment I'm simply using the stock pelican.
I would like to know what people think would suit the level better in terms of what flies over, I could if there was enough support, put a flock of sentinels flying over every few minutes instead of the above.
What I want to do is make the level seem "alive" make it seem like it's bristling with activity instead of it just looking like a pretty place to shoot things in.
Add the ring to the sky.
That's definitely going in, don't worry about that, sentinels, longswords, covenant ship cruisers which do you think would suit better?Quote:
Originally Posted by Disaster
would be cool to have a cruiser going slowly, with banshees, seraphs and phantoms going in formation or something.
could do the same with a halcyon cruiser overhead with longswords.
that's what we did for fun in a test map in iris
try it, it's p bad ass
e: also, your stuff isn't looking too bad. but a major problem i've got with your stuff is the shaders... they're unbelievably flat. try messing around with all the different material types available.
I think my heart just stopped. That looks amazing. So that's what you've been up to Rooster. :eng101:
Warlord, the only thing that bothers me right now is the Forerunner structure and its shaders: they need more grime and shine. Unless, of course, their current state is what you want them to look like.
http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/3...nshot0025a.jpghttp://img820.imageshack.us/img820/9747/48254343.png
Exposed metal reflects and worn metal is dull as it should be.
UV's are being worked on as well.
Expect a new update video in next 2 weeks.
That thing on the bottom doesn't look forruner at all. :/
Those shield things on the sides of the "legs" look completely out of place.
Also the angular bit on the tower of your ingame base look pretty bad to me, I prefer Bungie's smooth version.
The teleporter was actually based on this http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/3503/518is99m2ol.jpg albeit not a exact replica and not originally designed as a teleporter.Quote:
Originally Posted by n00b1n8R
The base is still being tweaked, i'm looking at fixing various smoothing errors as well as adding additional detailing.
so should i still be working on this?
Yeah, looking good so far actually,
The detail on the rim looks a little odd.
I wasn't sure whether to link you to what the design was based on or not because i didn't want to restrict you to a certain design.
I'm liking the main metal although you might want to change the centre circle part to more of a glass like surface, something that's supposed to be emitting particles.
There's a hole in the centre for the emitting of particles...
So where is the griminess? Where is the shine? Forerunner is supposed to look magnificent with reflections and silky-smoothness. I know it's a WIP, but please tell me you're going to do something about the specular and griminess of the metal so I will stop bringing it up. :downs:Quote:
Originally Posted by =sw=warlord
Wait for the video.
Once I've uploaded a new video update I'll show off the new materials so you can see the grime and shine.
Right then video update.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZfUmeRs4DvI
What's new:
- Snafubars suggestion of having a Halcyon flying over with longswords has been taken in and put in, only thing left for halcyon is texturing and adding lighting effects to rear engines.
- Teleporter effects finalised added strobe lighting effect which fades in and out with the movement of plasma particles.
- Teleporter flow graph set up meaning easy access to mid part of map from both bases.
- Particle effects for beam emitters edited
- Modelled the M6D pistol from HCE using the reference pictures in the studio sub-forum, laser module has been modelled separately to allow pistol customization, I plan on modelling the silencer from ODST so you can choose between the two designs.
- Teltaur and insaneDRIVE are helping me out in regards to texturing of weapons.
- Generator room is currently waiting for importation which will be shown in diagram below.
http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/9839/screenshot0026u.jpg
http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/5386/m6dr.jpg
Once I've got the important stuff done like the terrain correction and major tunnels and generator room, then I'll be looking into having playtests to see how the weapon placements work out.
Sniper locations are definitely subject to change and the player spawn locations are the "valhalla" styled bases where as the bigger infinity base will be the objective for teams to try and capture, they capture the warthog they gain a advantage but same advantage is evened out with a single spartan laser.
Any comments or questions would be greatly appreciated and I will try to answer as many questions as I can.
The over all layout of this map your making looks pretty bad. Both sides are very unequal, and one base has more advantages over the other (base in bottom of pic)
I think you should just stick with your lower detailed models for now, and find out what gameplay elements work and which ones don't. And once you find out all your problems. You can decide if what needs to go in and what doesn't. You can also see if it's really worth the work to make higher detailed models or if the gameplay of your mod is lacking resulting in a trashing of the project. If I were you, just stick with your less detailed models for now and see if it works or not and then decide if you want to take the next step.
Great job though! :downs:
That beam emitter's so fast it's gonna overheat if you don't help it.
At the moment the idea is the top base has closer access to the warthog than the lower but the lower base has closer access to the laser.Quote:
Originally Posted by higuy
Although it is very asymmetrical I do plan to think it out first.
In the test's I've already had the layout hasn't been a complete cluster-fuck, each side have their own advantages and disadvantages, like the lower base has access both sides of the hill but although has more places to escape has less area to hide in where as the other base is the opposite.
Both bases have a teleporter so it won't be a constant spawn kill area though I am looking into more ways for players to traverse the levels but without vehicles.
Many games place vehicles into maps to make travelling easier but more often than not the vehicles are abused as taxis, I cannot stress how much I personally hate seeing a good vehicle used purely as a taxi to gain access to a weapon.
Alot of this is still subject to change and there is a portion of the map I'm still unsure on what I should use to fill the space with.
That portion is the part where the dirt tracks stop.
Just for clarification, there are only 3 bases which players can access, the one on the "hill" is inaccessible without aircraft and since there won't be any aircraft that problem isn't really relevant.
As for the beam emitters;
The larger base is more along the lines of Halo's firing mechanism, a constant beam where as the smaller beams are communications, the smaller beams are still being tweaked and I'm looking into changing the beam type all together.
This is Crysis... add more stuff!!!
I would say expand that lake area out more, more into a river. Still, this is going to work out just fine. Good luck with the map bro!
STOP
This is terrible, this stuff is sub par for hpc, let alone fucking cryengine2.
Go back to halo pc and learn to make content that doesn't suck for that, then you know what, in 2 years when you have some clue what you're doing, come back here and then work in this engine. Please, for my sanity, and everyone else's on this site, stop butchering the halo series.
I completely plan to add more content.Quote:
Originally Posted by killer9856
Get out of my thread and do not return.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sel
This is totally non negotionary, I moved away from the CE modding because I want to learn the Crysis modding engine and not have to stick about with little children who will beg cheat and steal in any way they can to show they have no respect at all for other members.
I personally am enjoying modding this engine, it is a Hobby to me and you Selentic, will not have any influence on my decision on what engine I will mod for.
If you do not like what I am doing then you can kindly leave the thread and stop posting.
All the way through this project I've been talking to snafubar for getting tips and advice for the project, so do not for one instance think I'm trying to half ass this, The mod will be in production for as long as it takes to achieve the level of quality I which is a lot higher than any of you lot would dare set for your own projects.
You seem to be under this delusion that if you pump out garbage content we shouldn't sit here not telling you it sucks, and suck your dick instead or something because you got this posted on some Crysis blog. You have outright ignored the feedback, and advice, of everyone with an idea what they're doing, and you may have noticed that every single person who knows what they're talking about, including myself, seems to have the same opinion on your work (it sucks). Have you not, perhaps, picked up that this may be a sign that your work, does indeed, suck?
I'm guessing you haven't because every time you retort with bawwww stop hating on my work.
PS: Sorry for stealing your respect which I'm quite clearly doing here.
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