Modacity shooters' thread

[rossmum]

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Since there seem to be at least a few of us with an interest in shooting, I figured maybe we should have a thread for the discussion of just that. I mean real shooting, not paintball or Airsoft. That stuff belongs either in an existing thread or somewhere else, just not in here. Basically, chat about guns, ammo, whatever. I give no fuck as long as it's related to shooting and isn't covered by another thread.

Anyways, went to the range at West Ed for the second time. Last time I shot pretty well with the Ruger P85 (http://world.guns.ru/handguns/hg05-e.htm) in 9mm Para (first time with a handgun, first time also without a scope/optical sight of some sort). Tonight I tried out the USP (http://world.guns.ru/handguns/hg11-e.htm) (in 9mm para), the P85 again, and then it seems the instructors/safety officers there were so impressed they let me put a magazine through a Glock (http://world.guns.ru/handguns/hg15-e.htm) of some sort chambered for .40 S&W, same as the ones issued to the local police.

I found the USP to be poorly-suited to me. I don't know if it was the pistol, myself, or a combination of the two, but although I landed most rounds in the target area, a lot didn't and even those within it were very spread out. The USP definitely has a different feel to the P85; this may have had something to do with it. The sights in particular seemed to give more potential for parallax error than those of the Ruger. Otherwise it handled nicely; reloading was easy (although actually loading the mag proved a struggle), and the controls were nice and easily accessible. However, the fact I shot so badly with it suggests that it's not the right pistol for me.

Next came the P85, for the second time. It was the same gun I'd fired before, and it still had the worrying feel that it wanted to fall apart in my hand. I can't vouch for its age or the way it has been treated by previous visitors to the range, so that could be uncharacteristic of the type; either way, when it came to actually shooting, it was great. Just like last time, I shot the centre of my target right through, with only about ten percent of the rounds I fired landing outside the target circle (and not by much; none missed the paper as far as I can tell). The sights were easier to read and the recoil seemed a bit more manageable than the USP's. That said, the controls were again a bit of an issue. The push-forward design of the mag release meant I had to actually shift my grip on the gun considerably to release the magazine, and upon re-inserting it, the mag would catch halfway in, requiring me to force it rather aggresively. On one occasion this actually caused the slide to release and cock the weapon before I was prepared to do so, but of course it was under control at the time and did not go off. I'm a bit on the fence about this pistol. On the one hand, I love how it handles; on the other, I don't like the controls and reloading is a complete pain compared to the USP.

After putting my box of some 60 rounds through the P85, one of the range employees offered me a Glock chambered in .40 S&W, with one loaded magazine; when they asked if I'd shot before I told them I'm an Australian soldier, so we had a pretty decent conversation going about the equipment we use. He told me this was the same pistol that the Edmonton Police are issued (probably the same ours are issued, too), and let me try it out for free. The first thing that struck me was the tiny size of the slide stop. I guess this wouldn't be a problem once someone was trained enough that muscle memory would kick in, but for me it seemed a bit of an odd design choice; the thing is fucking tiny. The recoil was considerably harder than both 9mm guns; my secco at Kapooka described me as having 'muppet arms', so I guess that didn't help, but it did kick quite hard. The sights were okay, but I personally prefer the P85's. The first round ripped the guys out of my target's centre (it had a pretty big hole in it before, but this doubled its size somehow), and as far as I can tell each subsequent round passed through the resultant gaping hole. It was pretty awesome, but I'm not sure if I'd consider it ideal for me. Naturally, more shoots would be required to decide, and I also have little chance of getting a handgun of any sort while still in Australia; however the P85 made a very good impression, to the point where it'd be my first consideration for a CCW if I was in any position to get one.

No camera-PC link cable at the moment, so photos of the targets will have to wait; should be doing one last lot of shooting on Thursday before I go see the Oilers play (and hopefully fucking win, since only the Canadian juniors have delivered in that regard so far... even the Flames lost when we went to go see them).

My little sister also did pretty well with the P85, she seemed to like it. At this point I'd certainly recommend trying one out, as they're very accurate and a pleasure to shoot once you get beyond the rather clumsy controls.

[Rob Oplawar]

tl; dr, but I do love to shoot clay pigeons with my dad's 12 gauge. The guy knows how to make a good purchase; I'm gonna buy me the exact same shotgun once I have the money. Except I'm gonna make sure to clean and oil mine before I use it so it doesn't jam after every other shot. :P

[Donut]

my dad somehow managed to acquire a semiautomatic ak47 with an 80 round drum magazine and two 30 round banana magazines with 1600 rounds of 7.62 armor piercing ammunition. dont ask me how, but he did. we took it to the one shooting range in rhode island and i deicded that it would be fun to shoot it at one of those little metal flapper things designed for .22 that spin when you shoot them. so i did. yeah, it put a near perfectly round hole in the thing and blew it about 40 feet into the air and about 30 feet away from where i had originally placed it.

then i blew up a cinder block with 12 gauge 00 buck. am i cool now?

[Reaper Man]

I shoot people.
Photographically. :reaper:

[Aerowyn]

I just had a nice bonding moment with my dad the other day. His father passed away almost 10 years ago, and he kept his dad's pistol. Has all the old bullets and everything but has never fired it. Dad also has a spare handgun we got recently (it's a long story, but our family sued a guy for some money, we won, he left threatening phone calls, we bought a gun).

I asked my dad the other day if he'd be willing to teach me how to shoot (considering it would probably be beneficial to at least learn the basics for safety purposes). My dad made this face: :gonk: and then was all :D and said he had been meaning to ask me anyway. So when the weather gets nice, TOTALLY going to the shooting range with my dad and uncle. :)

[rossmum]

my dad somehow managed to acquire a semiautomatic ak47 with an 80 round drum magazine and two 30 round banana magazines with 1600 rounds of 7.62 armor piercing ammunition. dont ask me how, but he did. we took it to the one shooting range in rhode island and i deicded that it would be fun to shoot it at one of those little metal flapper things designed for .22 that spin when you shoot them. so i did. yeah, it put a near perfectly round hole in the thing and blew it about 40 feet into the air and about 30 feet away from where i had originally placed it.

then i blew up a cinder block with 12 gauge 00 buck. am i cool now?
You'd be surprised how often I hear about people firing at those things with full-on rifles, not really thinking about the results.


I just had a nice bonding moment with my dad the other day. His father passed away almost 10 years ago, and he kept his dad's pistol. Has all the old bullets and everything but has never fired it. Dad also has a spare handgun we got recently (it's a long story, but our family sued a guy for some money, we won, he left threatening phone calls, we bought a gun).

I asked my dad the other day if he'd be willing to teach me how to shoot (considering it would probably be beneficial to at least learn the basics for safety purposes). My dad made this face: :gonk: and then was all :D and said he had been meaning to ask me anyway. So when the weather gets nice, TOTALLY going to the shooting range with my dad and uncle. :)
The landscaper, I presume? Glad you managed to sue, he had it coming.

A friend from High Prarie came along with me tonight, although a combination of picking an M9 and having absolutely no prior instruction in pistol shooting at all (not even any real indication from games or movies :gonk:), she didn't do quite so well, being used to shotguns and rifles. Once you get the basics down, though, it's pretty easy; you just need to find a gun that's right for you, and in my case that seems to be the P85 so far. As much as I love other pistols like the 1911, it almost seems like it was made for me.

[Rob Oplawar]

A couple of years ago when my dad and I visited Arkansas it snowed about a foot and a half, ironically, so we made a snowman and shot a hole clean through its center with 20 gauge birdshot. It was really amazing, actually, it was just a perfect cylinder 20 centimeters in diameter straight through the middle ball of the snowman. The whole thing finally collapsed when we shot its head off.

That year we also tried out some sort of rifle- I have no idea what type or caliber it was. I fired it at a target about 15 cm off the ground a good 50 to 100 meters away. The shockwave from the bullet cleared a perfectly straight path through the snow the whole way. It was awesome. I missed, tho.

These days I'm pretty accurate with my dad's shotgun, but for some reason I can't hit shit with my uncle's shotgun. I think it's the way the sights are set up relative to the stock; I always seem to go way too high or way too low. With my dad's I've taken to leaving the shotgun down, having the launcher launch two skeet simultaneously after a random amount of time, and then taking them both out on the upswing. I love shooting skeet.

[Cortexian]

Rossmum, did they not have an MK23 in 45 ACP? I assumed you tried the USP because it was so similar to the MK23? We should have gone to The Shooting Edge while you were in town.

I've fired both in 45 ACP at the local range and I find that the USP is just sub-par when it comes to the MK23. The MK23 is like the bigger (and more expensive, $2,100 in Canada) brother of the USP, it seems to be made better and it functions a lot smoother. My groupings on target were better with the MK23 than the USP and I put it down to the fact that the MK23 is a heavier gun, therefore after firing there's a better chance that it will return properly.

I've mostly been shooting the Browning High Power to get ready for the Reserves and rack up some range time, nothing to special about it and I'd prefer to take one of my own handguns into theater if I ever go... But that won't happen.

[rossmum]

Rossmum, did they not have an MK23 in 45 ACP? I assumed you tried the USP because it was so similar to the MK23? We should have gone to The Shooting Edge while you were in town.
Actually it was more a case of wanting to try out the USP in this case.


I've mostly been shooting the Browning High Power to get ready for the Reserves and rack up some range time, nothing to special about it and I'd prefer to take one of my own handguns into theater if I ever go... But that won't happen.
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I've been wanting to try out the HP for ages.

[Cortexian]

I might just H&K whore this week when I go (it happens after I play airsoft, lol) but if I play with the BHP I'll get a pic for you! :)

They even have a MK II with the polycarbonate grip and better sights:
http://www.enemyforces.net/firearms/browninghp_2.jpg

If our forces used these instead of the MK I's I wouldn't be so pissy about them.

[Good_Apollo]

I'm looking to buy both a pistol and a rifle. Throw me a cheap yet decent pair I could buy. California, so whatever restrictions apply.

I like the M1911 or a Glock...but idk.

[sleepy1212]

Good thread, considering i just got my NRA membership card in the mail yesterday...still waiting on that "free shooting bag gift".

My old man has been keeping me in guns the past few years. Keep getting them as christmas presents. The only thing bad about that is christams is after hunting season lol.

few years ago I got a Remington 900 12ga (up to 3.5" mag), mossy synthetic stock w/ pistol grip. got a chance to shoot some clay with it a few months ago and did terrible, most were in the dirt. I really like how the gun feels and i'm going to make a point to get out for spring gobbler this year.

this past christmas he gave me a Remington 7mm black synth. It comes factory with a 3lb pull, believe me it's touchy but it's fully adjustable. The stock is a junior size, which, although i don't need it, makes the gun much lighter and a better fit when you've got your your camo and orange on. I can pull it up dead on fully dressed in my super-cold-weather gear.

I haven't had a chance to shoot it yet. Although i suck with open sites i'm deadly with a scope. just have to spend the money for mounts and maybe a Leupold. I've also never owned a brand new rifle before and i'd thought i'd season the barrel by using 1 shot clean for 10 rounds, 2 shots clean for 10, and 3 shots clean for 12, and then maybe fire 3 or 4 boxes through it while sighting it in. Any thoughts on that?

[Cortexian]

I'm looking to buy both a pistol and a rifle. Throw me a cheap yet decent pair I could buy. California, so whatever restrictions apply.

I like the M1911 or a Glock...but idk.
Get a 1911 and an M14, M14's are epic guns.

[ICEE]

I fell in love with the German mauser rifle. My grandpa brought it to the shooting range for me to play with and it was just amazing. I don't know exactly what model number it was but it looked like this:
http://www.glenbow.org/images/img-col-mmp-firearms-hig-5.jpg
It was so much fun to shoot, and the action was nice and smooth. In stark contrast to the m38 mosin nagant, which had a really sticky action and far more recoil despite not firing a bigger round. I also fired my grandpa's SKS rifles (he has 6 of them, I only fired 2). One of them is a legit one thats seen its fair share of action. It has graffiti in a couple different languages from all the soldiers its served. Beautiful weapon, wish I had pics of it. I hit a gong at 200 meters with it.

[Good_Apollo]

Okay. I also have my grandpa's Type 38 Arisaka Carbine I need to get restored badly before it's useless. How much are those refurbished M1 Garand's and aren't M14s expensive?

[Warsaw]

My Enfield shoots to the right, though that may just be the because of the fact that the target was too close for the sights, and notch sights aren't the most accurate anyways.

Still, thing kicks firmly but not obnoxiously. Bolt needs some more wearing in.

Also, Federal Ammunition is dirty. Just in case any of you use it.

[Cortexian]

Okay. I also have my grandpa's Type 38 Arisaka Carbine I need to get restored badly before it's useless. How much are those refurbished M1 Garand's and aren't M14s expensive?
M14s are a tad expensive and a little on the heavy side if you go with a wood stock. I haven't personally used a Springfield Armory M1A rifle, but they're basically the same as an issued M14.

I've wanted one of these (http://www.springfield-armory.com/armory.php?version=41) for awhile since they're Non-Restricted and would be great for hunting. $1,640 USD, which is $640 CAD more than the Browning BAR LongTrac 30-06 we just bought if you factor in the CAD conversion rate.

Since you're in the USA though, you could probably get an issued M14 for relatively cheaper if you look around...

[rossmum]

Garands are supposed to be cheap now as South Korea recently flooded the market with surplus rifles. M14s are probably still a bit pricey, though.

[sleepy1212]

I'd love to have a nice Garande. There was one at the Cabela's near here but it was in shit condition. There was also an old old mauser for sale but the swastika's had been ground off, making it practically worthless.

[rossmum]

I would fucking love an M1, too bad I can't get one.

[SnaFuBAR]

still just .22 plinking. Haven't found the handgun i want, or if i'll get a shotgun instead. I liked the Steyr MA1 a lot, though. I also liked the para ordinance warthog. Wasn't so big on the Beretta, but they have a long standing history of reliability and all. So, I dunno.

[ICEE]

My grandpa's got an M1 garand too (he has like 40 rifles). I was surprised by how ridiculously heavy it was in comparison to every other rifle of the same era. The steel butt-plate, definitely designed to smash some faces

[Cojafoji]

guns are good. got a lovely range of firearms in my closet, all of which are in nice condition, though i don't get out to shoot as often as i'd like. it's hard to drive the 20 miles to the range when you're low on cash/gas.

btw, never, ever buy ammunition produced by Federal. i have never EVER had/seen so many misfires in my entire life.

fake e: why buy an m-14 when you can buy a brand new springfield M1A (you know, ignoring the whole historical value).

edit: btw, anyone know of a website that ships m1 parts for cheap and is reliable? i'm fucking sick of dealing with the assholes at the gun shows.

[Aerowyn]

The landscaper, I presume? Glad you managed to sue, he had it coming.

After we won the case, we got a few VERY threatening phone calls from him saying that we should "watch our backs." So we bought a gun. He won't be steppin round here. :realsmug:

He owes us approximately $6,500 in damages, but won't pay up. We went to the magistrate to put a lien on anything he owns (like his truck) but for some reason we can't seem to get them to collect it. We think it might be a friend of a friend type deal, that's what we get for living in a small town.


Once you get the basics down, though, it's pretty easy; you just need to find a gun that's right for you, and in my case that seems to be the P85 so far.

I expressed to my dad that I was concerned about the kick of a handgun. I don't have a lot of upper body strength, I'm not a strong girl, so I was worried I would end up like this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QM2jRrv0dCM).

He didn't tell me what sort of gun we're talking (I have not seen either one we own), but he assured me that the kick would be minimal. I'm still a bit nervous. I'll have to ask him what kind of guns they are. I thought he said one was a .38 caliber, but he HATES revolvers and when I google it the only guns I can find are just that. *shrug*

[Horns]

I am a competitive Trap shooter. I shoot Beretta most of the time but every now and then I'll break out my old Ithaca. I am also an avid rifle marksmen and hunter. Me and my dad go to Montana once a year to hunt elk. A black powder muzzleloader is also my gun of choice for Iowa whitetail season.

My dad is a gunsmith and gun collector so I grew up around this stuff.

[Cortexian]

fake e: why buy an m-14 when you can buy a brand new springfield M1A (you know, ignoring the whole historical value).
That and you can probably get one cheaper if you look around.

@Horns: lol Blackpowder, fucking hate muzzle loaders... So inaccurate.

[rossmum]

I expressed to my dad that I was concerned about the kick of a handgun. I don't have a lot of upper body strength, I'm not a strong girl, so I was worried I would end up like this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QM2jRrv0dCM).
I literally have muppet arms. You probably have more upper-body strength than I do.

9mm Para barely kicks. .40 S&W does, but not enough to cause pain or injury unless you aren't holding onto it at all. Not sure about .38 but it can't be too bad. Don't be a retard and get a Desert Eagle or S&W 500 or some other ridiculous gun and you should be fine, trust me.

[ICEE]

So this gun here is a family heirloom.
http://i188.photobucket.com/albums/z295/iron_clad_photo/general%20stuff/mh2sa1.jpg
http://i188.photobucket.com/albums/z295/iron_clad_photo/general%20stuff/mh2sa2.jpg
http://i188.photobucket.com/albums/z295/iron_clad_photo/general%20stuff/mh2sa3.jpg
http://i188.photobucket.com/albums/z295/iron_clad_photo/general%20stuff/mh2sa4.jpg
http://i188.photobucket.com/albums/z295/iron_clad_photo/general%20stuff/mh2sa5.jpg

Its a merwin hulbert second army revolver. Its really a beautiful little thing. It even has a unique mechanism for loading and unloading. When loading in shells, a little gate on the right of the gun covering the drum is flicked down, revealing the chambers for you to insert the rounds. When unloading, the entire barrel along with the drum is rotated 90 degrees clockwise, and pulled forward. This creates just enough of a gap between the drum and the gate to allow spent shells to fall out. Unused rounds are too long to fall out, and will remain in their respective chambers. Bloody fucking brilliant. Its over 100 years old and fired black powder rounds so naturally we dont fire it anymore.

Not many people I've spoken to have even heard of merwin hulbert. Heres some info on them for anyone interested. (http://www.armchairgunshow.com/MH-info.html)

[Aerowyn]

http://i188.photobucket.com/albums/z295/iron_clad_photo/general%20stuff/mh2sa5.jpg


wat up with ya
u got a problem, bre?

sorry, couldn't resist!
Very interesting. You could take that to the antiques roadshow in a few years, haha.

[Horns]

@Horns: lol Blackpowder, fucking hate muzzle loaders... So inaccurate.

That is so wrong. I make accurate 300 yard shots no problem with my TC.

[blind]

if i were to ever get a gun i'd merk some ocelot shit

[Cortexian]

That is so wrong. I make accurate 300 yard shots no problem with my TC.
lol 300 yards, that's spitting distance for our hunting rifles. We take shots around the 800 yard range when we're deer hunting.

[Dwood]

lol 300 yards, that's spitting distance for our hunting rifles. We take shots around the 800 yard range when we're deer hunting.

That's not hunting, that's massacring :P. Close-range hunting is so much more fun than sitting off 400+ yards and plinking them off. Try bowhunting less than 200 yards away from a bear in a tree 20+ feet off the ground. That's exhilarating b/c if the bear gets mad and decides to attack where you're at... let's just say they can climb trees... really fast. :P

[sleepy1212]

lol 300 yards, that's spitting distance for our hunting rifles. We take shots around the 800 yard range when we're deer hunting.

what kind of 'hunting' rifles are these again? lol

My set up for elk was 14" @ 400yds (500yd max) with Federal 185gr ballistic tips in a 30-06. Deer season would be 1" @ 100yds (300yds max) with some cheap Rem. Core-Lokt. I'm 99.9% sure of a takedown shot up to those ranges and that I won't be wounding any game as it gets away.

I certainly wouldn't take any 300 yard chances with a muzzle-loader nor 800 yard chances with a deer rifle when i'm hunting. Just a thought.

[Rob Oplawar]

Its really a beautiful little thing.
qft

[Cojafoji]

buck hunting with rifles is overrated. while i do enjoy shooting, and yes, hunting with a rifle, i find it much more enjoyable to go buck hunting with a bow.

anyone else here manly enough to own recurves + use them for hunting?
*if you do not own a recurve, but own a compound, do not reply. also no cross bows.

[rossmum]

Tried a 1911 today, firing .45 ACP hollowpoints. Handled nicely, felt about as 'right' as any handgun could. I didn't shoot as accurately as the P85 but I shot more consistently - as far as I can tell, only two rounds landed outside the target area, and not by much. The rest were dispersed pretty evenly within it. Maybe not the most accurate of handguns, but certainly the nicest I've shot so far. It feels good and solid, the controls make sense, the sights are adequate, it has a lot of power but considerably tame recoil at the same time, and it's pretty reliable.

I've always been pretty fond of the 1911 (in fact I have a tendency to lord it over every other handgun ever made), and it's proven my faith was not misplaced. Without a doubt the first priority on my wishlist should I get myself a pistol license.

In other news, my post-war, never-fired, absolute-fucking-mint No.4 Mk.I (with sling and spike bayonet) should be on the way soon! For real this time! :neckbeard:

[Horns]

lol 300 yards, that's spitting distance for our hunting rifles. We take shots around the 800 yard range when we're deer hunting.

That's not the point. You said accurate. You didn't accurate at 700 yards. Muzzle loaders aren't made and don't need to be made to be accurate at 700 yards. It's the same Idea of a pistol not being accurate at 700 yards.

[Warsaw]

Besides, the knock-down power of a .54 caliber slug is greater than that of a .30-06. Has nothing to do with muzzle energy or that, has everything to do with the impact distribution on the target.

[Inferno]

Gauiz! I PLEH Call of doody i know a lot abut gunz! MY FAVRITOE GUN IS THE 50CAL I USE IT ALL THE TIME. IT's so realizticz.

[Warsaw]

Except I don't play CoD (not a single one of them) do know a lot about guns...what you playin' at?

You shoot a man in the torso at 100m with a 7.62x63 and it'll overpenetrate and go right through him. Shoot him in the torso at 100m with a .54 caliber black-powder round of the appropriate charge for your weapon, and he's gone. It will leave a gaping, ugly wound.

[t3h m00kz]

I cap foos if they dissin mah fly girl.

[p0lar_bear]

I've always had an obsession with guns due to all the action movies and video games I've seen. However I'm not an idiot and I know the very basics of gun safety; took a field trip to an FBI office once and they took us into an armory or something, passed an empty pistol around (too young to recognize what make and model it was) and told us the number one rule of gun safety: Always act as if a gun is loaded/has a death beam coming out of the barrel.

Later in life my father's buddy took us out back into the woods with a couple of rifles and we took turns shooting at a target, again no idea what kinds of rifles they were, besides single-shot, bolt-action. One's caliber was high enough to knock me flat on my ass if I fired it, so they wouldn't let me touch it.

Right now all I have is a shitty wal-mart airsoft pistol I use to shoot cans on occasion and if I'm feeling creative, as a reference for 3d animation. I'd like to get a real handgun, my permit, and waste some time at a range. Though, I like the looks of popular models like the Colt 1911, Beretta 92, and HK USP, and those are fucking expensive.

[sleepy1212]

Colt 1911, Beretta 92, and HK USP, and those are fucking expensive.

You can find deals on common guns all the time. Plus pawn shops and even chain stores like Gander Mtn., Bass Pro, and Cabelas usually carry used firearms, many in good condition.

[Good_Apollo]

I saw a site with a 1911 with that chrome finish (match version?) for only $675?

[rossmum]

I've always had an obsession with guns due to all the action movies and video games I've seen. However I'm not an idiot and I know the very basics of gun safety; took a field trip to an FBI office once and they took us into an armory or something, passed an empty pistol around (too young to recognize what make and model it was) and told us the number one rule of gun safety: Always act as if a gun is loaded/has a death beam coming out of the barrel.

Later in life my father's buddy took us out back into the woods with a couple of rifles and we took turns shooting at a target, again no idea what kinds of rifles they were, besides single-shot, bolt-action. One's caliber was high enough to knock me flat on my ass if I fired it, so they wouldn't let me touch it.

Right now all I have is a shitty wal-mart airsoft pistol I use to shoot cans on occasion and if I'm feeling creative, as a reference for 3d animation. I'd like to get a real handgun, my permit, and waste some time at a range. Though, I like the looks of popular models like the Colt 1911, Beretta 92, and HK USP, and those are fucking expensive.
Just get a bog-standard 1911, you can't go wrong.

[Cojafoji]

can get them used in decent condition for roughly 200/300 if you look around.

[ICEE]

I'd like a nice 1911 for myself too. I think having a mauser and a 1911 would be all the gun owning I'll ever need until I inherit my grandpa's vast collection (50+ guns, most of which are antique and worth quite a bit)

[Cortexian]

When it comes to hunting, you don't want a gigantic muzzle-loader because it'll rip through and destroy all the meat. That and they're impractical to reload and generally boring from a shooters perspective.

Whenever we take shots past 600 yards we generally use our .30-06 or Al takes it with his .270 (Ex-Ranger sniper, I've personally seen him drop a deer with 1 shot at 793 yards using the .270). He's taught me a thing or two about shooting long shots so it's not that big of a deal.

I went bear hunting once with Al back when he had his bow, I was a hunting youngun at the time so I just followed him mostly. He took a Black Bear at about 14 yards that year and it was pretty exhilarating I admit, I just don't like it because bow hunting is too slow paced.

90% of the time when we're hunting we just walk through the forest with out rifles until we come across some deers/elk/moose, the only time we take those long shots is during the beginning of the season and we know where the deers are on the first day out because we scouted them the week before season opened.

I've have a wide variety of hunting styles and experience under my belt now, I know what it's like, no need to tell me and then contradict me.

[Rorschach]

I just finished a month of Marine Combat Training in Camp Geiger, NC. Threw practice grenades (detonator, no filler), a live grenade (which, as a protip, is LOUD. Seriously, I thought it was a nuclear explosion.), shot the M203 Grenade Launcher, the M249 SAW, the M240 Bravo (the tracers shot from the latter two started a brushfire in the field we were shooting into), an AT4 (although it was a 9mm tracer fired from an apparatus inset in the launcher, not an actual rocket), and did a whole lot more shooting with an M16 using an ACOG and an infrared laser with NVG's. And also some blank and sim (i.e. paintball) rounds in mock combat.

The only drawback of the whole experience? It was damn cold. Like fifteen degrees cold in the morning and night.

[ICEE]

dole? a marine?

Thats cool. Post more gun experiences. also vids.

[rossmum]

post
Cold is better than hot, believe me. We were out on the range for five or six hours a pop in 40-45 degree heat, full sun, and with a hot, dry wind. When we went to pick up our Steyrs after the range clearance we just about burned ourselves on them because the OD composite furniture absorbs heat so rapidly. Of course, then there were the two dudes who actually burned their necks on the hot barrels during the weapon inspection :allears:

Our section commander told us about how him and a bunch of other tankies actually set half of the Coltana range on fire using tracers a few years back (Coltana is fucking huge)... the fireys weren't impressed.

[Cortexian]

Agree, cold is a lot better than hot when you're doing almost any kind of military training... To a degree obviously, -40 and colder is debatable depending on the gear and previous cold weather training you've had.

[Rorschach]

Cold is better than hot, believe me.
Well, gosh, even we had 45 degrees at high noon. <:maddowns:>
But then again it wasn't centigrade.

Yeah, the heat can knock people out just like that no problem. My first month at Parris Island was still summer weather, and guys were dropping left and right. But at MCT in the morning you don't want to get up because the air is freezing not an inch away from the opening of your sleeping bag. Then you climb into clothes that you were wearing and sweating in the whole week (or in my case, most of the month). Then you've got to be in formation extra early to sit around and wait for an hour until you step for the range you're going to that day. Your toes and fingers sting like a bitch until you're well into walking, and before you know it you're sitting on the cold, damp ground and waiting a whole lot longer.

Glad I'm in California now and for the next year. Weather was as close to perfect as I could imagine today, and I've got the most ridiculous view of the desert and the surrounding mountains from where I am, even the snow-capped Sierra Nevada ninety minutes away on the horizon. Kind of landscape I've spent a lifetime in New York City dreaming about.

dole? a marine?
Thats cool. Post more gun experiences. also vids.
Gun experiences? 5.56 blanks + no earplugs = 5.56 live rounds + earplugs. 7.62 live rounds + earplugs = 5.56 live rounds + no earplugs = ears will hurt. 7.62 live rounds + no earplugs = ears won't feel a damned thing for a good half hour.

Vids? Didn't have a camera in boot camp (being that it was boot camp) or MCT (being that we weren't allowed to carry personal electronics). Most I've got is a picture of me holding an M16/M203 that my mother took before I left for MOS school. It's just me posing with it, as it was taken at an exibitory display for the visiting families, so if you're expecting something really cool, it aint it. Don't expect I'll be doing much shooting until I have to requalify in six months. I don't know. Maybe later, but that's the deal for now.

[rossmum]

Yeah, kind of bummed that I missed the platoon, section and individual photos (due to hospitalisation). I'll have to wait for the obligatory badass-with-rifle shots.

Finally got camera-PC link cable, owing to being at parents' place. Soon as we hit San Fran the heat was unbearable. Stepping off in Sydney, I was more than a little tempted to go find the next flight back to Canada and sneak on. Anyway, less bitching, more target photos:

http://img191.imageshack.us/img191/2097/bild0184c.jpg
First target. First time firing a handgun, first time using ironsights - Ruger P85, 9mm Para. Approx. 50-60 rounds fired at something around 10 yards (possibly 15). Shot on Jan 15th.

http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/756/bild0183.jpg
Second shoot; H&K USP in 9mm Para, same setup. Not sure if this was the pistol's doing or my own, but I guess it just wasn't made for me. Jan 25th.

http://img341.imageshack.us/img341/7090/bild0181.jpg
Being disappointed with my results, I traded in the USP for the same P85 I'd shot previously. After expending all my ammo with much better results, the range supervisor let me put a mag through a Glock in .40 S&W. As far as I can tell, most if not all of the rounds I fired from the Glock went through the huge fuck-off hole in the centre.

http://img13.imageshack.us/img13/7441/bild0180.jpg
Colt M1911. I am well and truly in love. Jan 28th, last shoot before leaving.

Sorry for the low res; Dad has bloody terrible satellite internet and will not be impressed if I blow his upload/download quota in the one evening.

[Good_Apollo]

Yeah, kind of bummed that I missed the platoon, section and individual photos (due to hospitalisation). I'll have to wait for the obligatory badass-with-rifle shots.

Finally got camera-PC link cable, owing to being at parents' place. Soon as we hit San Fran the heat was unbearable. Stepping off in Sydney, I was more than a little tempted to go find the next flight back to Canada and sneak on. Anyway, less bitching, more target photos:


First target. First time firing a handgun, first time using ironsights - Ruger P85, 9mm Para. Approx. 50-60 rounds fired at something around 10 yards (possibly 15). Shot on Jan 15th.


Second shoot; H&K USP in 9mm Para, same setup. Not sure if this was the pistol's doing or my own, but I guess it just wasn't made for me. Jan 25th.


Being disappointed with my results, I traded in the USP for the same P85 I'd shot previously. After expending all my ammo with much better results, the range supervisor let me put a mag through a Glock in .40 S&W. As far as I can tell, most if not all of the rounds I fired from the Glock went through the huge fuck-off hole in the centre.


Colt M1911. I am well and truly in love. Jan 28th, last shoot before leaving.

Sorry for the low res; Dad has bloody terrible satellite internet and will not be impressed if I blow his upload/download quota in the one evening.West Edmonton Mall? Isn't that like the biggest mall in the world? I've been there, place was tight...

[Cortexian]

I don't think it is THE biggest in the world anymore, but it is one of the largest and most certainly in the top 5. He was in Edmonton for a few weeks, hence him being there... I usually go up once or twice a year, water park/wave pool is fucking amazing.

Oh god the USP groupings... You were most likely shooting at 15 yards, that's what the guys at The Shooting Edge have been setting me up at.

I'm down to a 3.5" grouping with the BHP MK2 as of this morning!

[rossmum]

Yeah, I honestly don't know what happened with the USP. For starters I didn't like the sights nearly as much as any of the others; not sure what else did it. Either way, the 1911 more than met my expectations and the P85 was just great. Hopefully I'll be able to find a pistol club and then get a Class H, so I can get in some more practice. If I can put at least 80% of my rounds through an inch-wide radius, I'll be pretty content with that.

[ICEE]

I fired a nagant m1895 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nagant_M1895) and it was pretty fun. Wonky loading mechanism and stuff. I wish I'd taken a look at the target board before switching to rifle shooting. wonder how I did.

[Cortexian]

When it comes to sights, my favorite are by far fiber optic sights... Great for low light.

Truth be told however, I'm pretty shitty with the MK23, though I've only put 150 or so rounds down range with it...

[rossmum]

Enfield should be sorted inside a month. Stay tuned.

[rossmum]

I DON'T CARE IF I'M DOUBLE POSTING,

http://www.modacity.net/forums/picture.php?albumid=129&pictureid=1541
:allears:

[TVTyrant]

What did you pull that beauty from? Backstop? Or testing material?

[Cortexian]

The body of one of his victims.

[rossmum]

What did you pull that beauty from? Backstop? Or testing material?
Backstop.

Also, No.4 Mk.1 get :woop:

[Warsaw]

Backstop.

Also, No.4 Mk.1 get :woop:

n u

No. 1 Mk. III* get. Nation's Gun Show on Saturday here at the Dulles Expo Centre.

[rossmum]

I'll get photos as soon as I can. It's a bit beaten up, but it shoots straight. A little work and it'll be perfect.

[Warsaw]

How's the bore look? Over here, if you did anything to it, it would decrease its value.

[rossmum]

Intact. Looks like a fucking mirror.

[Warsaw]

So, today I had picked out a very nice Mosin Nagant M1891/30 for $110 was about to pay, then remembered I had forgotten a second form of ID and the seller was a federally licensed dealer...fml. :saddowns: It even came with a serial matching bayonet, magazine pouches, the oil bottle, and a sling...gotte damnit.

In related news, they had an MN that was so old the sights were graduated in lines instead of metres...o_O.

[TVTyrant]

So I just found out about this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=axSbd4hd8J4
Seems like a great idea combined with a 416 Barrett/408 Cheytac and one of these: http://www.opticsplanet.net/bushnell-yardage-pro-4-12x42--laser-rangefinder-rifle-scope-204124.html

Of course a higher magnification optic would be preferred, but on a semi-automatic firearm it could turn out to be a useful military optics system. Especially since the ability to adjust is such a big factor in sniping situations.

[rossmum]

Yeah, I picked up a Barrett mag while I was in Canada and the thing was omnipresent. Just about every photo had a BORS in it somewhere.

[TVTyrant]

The BORS really seems like a good idea. The only question I have is about how rugged it is, seeing as how this hunting season I managed to break scope rings clean off my Remington 742.

[ICEE]

Damn, thats pretty cool. all it needs is an ammo counter :iamafag:

[Cojafoji]

so my local gun store just got in a pristine condition m-14. it's actually only 1100 and they let me put it on layaway! i should be finished paying it off in three months, so now my new Springfield m1a will have some elder company in my gun safe :D

apparently the gun was issued during vietnam but only saw a couple weeks of service.

[rossmum]

Fucking nice :haw:

Photos required, naturally.

[TVTyrant]

Photos required, naturally.
.

[Cojafoji]

you know it baby. next time i make it up to the gun store, i'll have to remember to take my camera :D.

[SnaFuBAR]

Found a couple of M1 carbines... subject to prior sale...

i would've put that shit on layaway.

only 500 bucks. :c

[Good_Apollo]

I need somebody to tell me where I could get a Type 38 Arisaka Carbine looked at and possibly restored...I can't grab pics atm though.

[TVTyrant]

How much are you going to pay for the Arisaka? I would recommend not getting one. While they are very cool to collect, the ammo is hard to come by, the calibers aren't especially great, and the rifle itself isn't particularly well designed.

[Good_Apollo]

I wouldn't be paying for it, my grandfather brought it back from the war. I just want it to be restored to a decent quality, maybe shoot it once or twice and then get it sealed in a case with other mementos like his medals and chevrons.

[TVTyrant]

I'd suggest looking for gunsmiths in your area. Check yellow pages for some and then go driving around. Thats the only thing I can think of.

[Good_Apollo]

Yeah I went to one and he couldn't think of anyone local so I was wondering if anyone had a website link or someone that they know. Real bust the thing is a piece of history and I don't want it to rust away.

[rossmum]

I dunno if Japanese ammo was corrosive or not, but you'd best clean it out properly just in case. Better safe than sorry. .303 is, and so unless you want a very fucked-up rifle, you need to pour boiling water through after you go shooting. As counter-intuitive as that may seem, it's the best way to get the crap out. :eng101:

[TVTyrant]

Or just buy this:
http://www.midwayusa.com/viewProduct/?productNumber=117348

[Cortexian]

http://leimg.lancersedge.com/images/77334135344736287955.jpg

So I went to the range today to re-sight-in our 30-06 since I played with the scope a bit and guess what somebody brought along?

http://leimg.lancersedge.com/images/23665465815702931615.jpg

http://leimg.lancersedge.com/images/23708318705749147842.jpg

Yup, a Canadian-legal Non-Restricted Tavor (TAR-21) without the MARS sight (since it's classified as a "warfare implement" by Canadian Customs). As soon as the guy brought it out some girl down the line from us asked her grandfather what kind of gun it was, he didn't know so I spoke up and let them know. The guy with the Tavor heard this and decided to let me fire off a few rounds (50ish) since I seemed to know what I was talking about, I was even able to teach him how to lock the bolt back since he didn't quite know how himself!

http://leimg.lancersedge.com/images/36476783117491263406.jpg

http://leimg.lancersedge.com/images/61601428232243097951.jpg

I realize there's no magazine in the Tavor and the bolt is locked back for the pics, that's because I just got the pics as we were leaving as an after-thought. There are only 15-20 of these guns in Canada at the moment. The gun was really awesome, unfortunately it was so new that the owner hadn't had a chance to zero-in the dot sight he had attached so none of my shots went where I told them to... Gun has an amazing weight and feel, the operation was stellar and smooth, and the kick was hardly noticeable since it's only .223 Rem (5.56 NATO)!

[ICEE]

thats neat.

I'm going to a range friday, my grandpa's bringing along his m1. pretty excited to play with it.

[Warsaw]

I shot an M4 for the first time last weekend. Wasn't zeroed, so had to compensate. 5.56 has more kick than I thought it would, and on the M4 it had almost as much as my .308 Enfield.

[Cortexian]

Only other 5.56's I've shot are the Canadian Forces C7, M16, M4, and HK416. The Tavor blew them all out of the water, handling was way superior, it was rock solid and didn't feel like it was going to rattle apart like the C7/M16/M4, and it shot way smoother. I just finished up watching the MAGPUL Dynamics "Art of the Tactical Carbine" DVD the other day, so I tried to apply some of the shooting techniques from there to this as well, Chris Costa's stance tips enabled me to re-acquire my targets a lot faster after each shot.

Basically you need to hold your rifle in such a way that the recoil moves straight back instead of up, when we're hunting it doesn't really matter since the first shot is usually the only shot that matters, but when I was shooting the Tavor it was nice to keep the dot on target even if it wasn't actually zeroed at all.

This Tavor was literally the nicest rifle I've ever shot though... Would totally buy one if I could hunt with it, silly Canadian law (the gun is Non-Restricted for some reason, so that bit of the law says I can use it for hunting. Except the caliber is .223 Remington/5.56 NATO which is not a legitimate round for hunting up here)! :allears:

[Warsaw]

In that case, I need some srs practise.

[Good_Apollo]

I shot an M4 for the first time last weekend. Wasn't zeroed, so had to compensate. 5.56 has more kick than I thought it would, and on the M4 it had almost as much as my .308 Enfield.
I thought the M4 had very little kick. My grouping was so tight, too bad I only got to shoot about 15 rounds.

Fell in love with the Springfield 1911 .45, but I really hated the SIG P226 .40, alot. I was thinking of getting a Glock next time and see how that goes, if anyone can recommend a fun caliber for it.

[Cojafoji]

the glock 20 was fun. not super hard core awesome, but fun.

[Warsaw]

I thought the M4 had very little kick. My grouping was so tight, too bad I only got to shoot about 15 rounds.

Fell in love with the Springfield 1911 .45, but I really hated the SIG P226 .40, alot. I was thinking of getting a Glock next time and see how that goes, if anyone can recommend a fun caliber for it.

Shooting off-hand by necessity. :saddowns:.

[PenGuin1362]

ewww tavor. Stupid Israelis. It's impossible NOT to fall in love with the 1911. Worst hand gun I've ever fired is probably the Walther P22. It had pretty piss poor grouping, even after being cleaned again. I'm savin up for an M14 at this point. Can't wait. <3 it so much.

[ICEE]

I want a 1911 and an m14. Weapons from a better time, when villains spoke german and a woman knew her place

[Warsaw]

I want a 1911 and an m14. Weapons from a better time, when villains spoke german Russian/Vietnamese/Chinese and a woman knew her place

FTFY.

[paladin]

My dad just got a Rock River RRA LAR 6.8 Mid length (http://www.rockriverarms.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=category.display&category_id=248)

Its a little different from the one on the site, but thats the model

Ill post pics next time he has it out. Its a surprise for when we go shooting in July for my brother. mostly likely the pic will be from then. I got to shoot 3 rounds in teh back yard today and it was pretty kick ass.

[Cojafoji]

the deer he'll be hunting are obviously VC deer. he's definitely gonna need that rifle. tell him to pick up a new hand gun for the tunnels.

[paladin]

hes got 4, no need for another

[Cojafoji]

Are you sure? Those VC deer are tricky mother fuckers. He should at least pick up an M2A1-7

[Cortexian]

Nothing wrong with an AR platform for hunting, they're just a different type of gas operated semi-automatic system. Take a look at the Remington R-15 and R-25 series rifles.

[bravo22]

The closest I've ever come to shooting a gun is those light guns at the arcade...sigh.

I'm quite interested in actually handling a real rifle at a shooting range in the future, though. It'd be a cool experience to get the proper feel of recoil and so on. If there's a gun I've always wanted to actually hold in real life, it would be the M1 Garand.

[Warsaw]

They aren't that impressive, to be honest. They are smaller than you think they are, and they aren't that comfortable. I'd rather take an SVT-40 or G43.

[Cojafoji]

know what's shorter than an actual garand? you might be thinking carbine, but you'd be wrong! it's the tanker! best version of the garand EVER.

[bravo22]

Another gun I'm very keen on owning sometime would be the classic Colt 1911 .45. It's gonna be a hundred years old next year, yet many law enforcement and military agencies worldwide still use it. It's also the pistol I primarily equip in COD4.

If I could get my hands on an actual made-in-1911 copy, all the better :) I probably would keep it as a collector's item, not test it out at a range, though.

[Warsaw]

An actual 1911 or earlier serialed M1911 would cost you a small fortune.

Also, Coja, the M1 Carbine is not a Garand. Not even the same system.

[Cojafoji]

you misunderstood what i said. where it says garand, it should have just been the m1, with rifle comparison general and not specific to a certain type.

[ICEE]

um k.

Also I was bummed, didn't get to take my grandfather's Garand out to the range because he has an intestinal disease. and now im 300 miles away. Sigh.

[Warsaw]

you misunderstood what i said. where it says garand, it should have just been the m1, with rifle comparison general and not specific to a certain type.

I understood what you said just fine, actually. Should've put M1 in there to begin with though-as it is, it is implied that the M1 Carbine is an actual Garand derivative.

[SnaFuBAR]

know what's shorter than an actual garand? you might be thinking carbine, but you'd be wrong! it's the tanker! best version of the garand EVER.

Oh, I was going to say the M1D

[paladin]

Woodinville's gun shop has that for $990

[paladin]

Mah city


Also, shot this bad boy (http://www.discountgunsales.com/sw-mp-15-22-lr-qr-c-711-p-1-pr-4070.html) today at Wade's range in Redmond. It shot extremely well (even for a rental). Might be my next purchase :)

Going back Monday to shoot a HK MP5 9MM full auto

E: I about creamed myself when I saw this thread (http://www.ak47.net/forums/topic.html?b=3&f=15&t=338546)

[Cojafoji]

LOL at those .22lr things. they're like assault weapons for children!

[Warsaw]

I still think one of the coolest guns I've seen is a miniature Browning machine gun that fired .22...

http://snowflakesinhell.com/blogpics/lakeside/mini-30browning.jpg

[paladin]

Holy shit, thats awesome

[SnaFuBAR]

.22lr is a fun-as-hell caliber. cheap and easy shooting.

though there's a few larger pieces i've been looking into. gun buys are on hold for now, unfortunately. but it's all good i'll have better stuff soon.

[paladin]

.22lr is a fun-as-hell caliber. cheap and easy shooting.

though there's a few larger pieces i've been looking into. gun buys are on hold for now, unfortunately. but it's all good i'll have better stuff soon.

Washington is pretty decent when it comes to guns laws. Theres only two laws that set us apart from most other states: 1) can't own full auto 2) you can own a silencer, but it cant be attached to your weapon

[Cojafoji]

fuck uzis. gimme a thompson. got to fuck around with one of those things, and i've got to say that it was incredible.

[Warsaw]

Washington is pretty decent when it comes to guns laws. Theres only two laws that set us apart from most other states: 1) can't own full auto 2) you can own a silencer, but it cant be attached to your weapon

Can own and use both in VA...:realsmug:

...provided you have a Class III dealer's license. :saddowns:

Firearms laws are the reason I will never ever move to California of my own free will. I can't even bring my bolt-action Lee-Enfield over there because its magazine is removable and it has a bayonet lug...seriously CA, are you smoking too much of that legalized weed?

[Cortexian]

.22lr is a fun-as-hell caliber. cheap and easy shooting.
I'd still much rather shoot .223 Rem for easy shooting on the range, but since I can't hunt with it here I'll never buy a cool rifle like a TAR 21 or AR platform. I need a rifle that will work just as well when I'm out hunting as it will on the range, and that's probably why I'm going to get a Robinson Armament XCR in 7.62x39 with a 18.6" barrel. That makes it Non-Restricted here in Canada (okay to hunt with) and the 7.62x39 caliber has more than enough power to put down anything from deer to moose.

Plus I'll have an AR platform that I can take to the range and run through some tactical courses with.

[PenGuin1362]

Got to play with 4 different G3 styles today , a G43, and an FAL. I came buckets, everywhere they were so nice. So I decided to order an M1 Garand in a few weeks : D

[SnaFuBAR]

Washington is pretty decent when it comes to guns laws. Theres only two laws that set us apart from most other states: 1) can't own full auto 2) you can own a silencer, but it cant be attached to your weapon

i would love full auto but hell i don't need it and i guess the silencer law probably only allows use to put down sick animals? that's how i've heard it treated in some other states.

[ICEE]

Washington is pretty decent when it comes to guns laws. Theres only two laws that set us apart from most other states: 1) can't own full auto 2) you can own a silencer, but it cant be attached to your weapon

Which render's silencers pointless, except as a melee weapon or a poor flute.

[Cojafoji]

greatest legal silencer in the world: a loaf of white bread.

[PenGuin1362]

New Hampshire for the fucking win. You need licenses for ONLY the following: Concealed carry, silenced weapons, automatic weapons. However Automatic weapons usually run around 20k plus. Cheapest autmatic weapon I've found so far was a WWII PPSH for $16,000. So you need some serious fucking cash to own autos. Saw an MG42 for $54,000. Modern day Assault Rifles run between $20,000 and $40,000.


...Then again, you can always mod the receiver yourself. Just don't fuck up.

[paladin]

wtf... you need to move. I was just in idaho and a mp5 9mm was 4200

[Cortexian]

Can a civilian purchase a fully functional G36/G36E in the states anywhere? How much do they run for down there? I know there are 5-10 G36E variants in Canada that were factory modified by H&K to only include the Safe/Semi firing modes for trial purposes by the Government at one time. Minimum cost for one is something like $10,000 if you can find one for sale, they're Non-Restricted as well haha!

[ICEE]

I believe the rule is that if it has a pistol grip, the magazine release must not be accessible without a tool. Theres probably some silly law about the folding stock too, but I think as long as it only has 10 round magazines that are not removable without a tool, and the automatic is disabled, you should be able to buy one here (california laws, which are stricter than the other state laws). Thats how you can make AK's legal.

[Donut]

i think i might be fucking with laws with that AK with the three 30 round banana mags and the 80 round drum magazine then. lol.

[Warsaw]

I believe the rule is that if it has a pistol grip, the magazine release must not be accessible without a tool. Theres probably some silly law about the folding stock too, but I think as long as it only has 10 round magazines that are not removable without a tool, and the automatic is disabled, you should be able to buy one here (california laws, which are stricter than the other state laws). Thats how you can make AK's legal.

Tl;dr: don't live in California if you love firearms. Here in VA, you just need a license for concealed carry, silencers, and automatics. Magazines can be detachable without tools. You can have bayonet lugs.

To answer your question Freelancer: yes, there are places here where you can do just that. And it is awesome. :iamafag:

[PenGuin1362]

wtf... you need to move. I was just in idaho and a mp5 9mm was 4200

I've found them for cheaper, but I'm talking new issue selective fire rifles. Was it new and fully automatic? If it was used something had to have some serious wear to it. Most likely piss poor bore.

[Cojafoji]

bought 15 handguns yesterday, and then resold them to criminals. made a 15,000 dollar profit.

guns are awesome. shot my cat this morning. shot it right in the face.

anyone ever shoot off a bren gun? it's like the perfect gun for a guy like me.

i suggest you all experiment with automatic weapons.
God damned kids and their rock and roll.

[paladin]

I've found them for cheaper, but I'm talking new issue selective fire rifles. Was it new and fully automatic? If it was used something had to have some serious wear to it. Most likely piss poor bore.

It was full auto and used.

I want (http://www.impactguns.com/store/MGT-S-183389.html)

[Cortexian]

Don't buy a Tommy Gun as a civilian unless you're going to put the wooden vertical fore-grip furniture and a drum mag on it! :)

Oh and get an appropriate gun case:
http://ic2.pbase.com/g6/05/388005/2/73042834.blPZOM3A.jpg

[Cojafoji]

If I can ever afford tommy gun, rest assured, that I'll be purchasing two. One with the foregrip and drum mag, and the other with military style grip.

[paladin]

I had our 6.8mm out today for my ANI125 class project...

http://img683.imageshack.us/img683/9049/61957638.jpg
http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/1197/30705437.jpg

Ill get some closer ones up later... I still havent had a chance to shoot it really :(

[Cortexian]

You can just carry a rifle like that in the open where you live? That's retarded, I hate Canadian firearms laws...

[paladin]

Private property, in the middle of the woods (http://maps.google.com/maps?q=47.778794,-122.082986&num=1&t=h&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=23.875,57.630033&hl=en&ie=UTF8&ll=47.778794,-122.082715&spn=0.001738,0.004128&z=19).... yeah.

[Cortexian]

Illegal but out of sight, I like it.

See you tomorrow!
http://leimg.lancersedge.com/images/94359901849786490961.jpg

Extremely scenic 12 hour drive, cake.

[paladin]

How is that only 12 hrs. From my house to my family ranch in MT is 800miles and is 12 hrs. Do you Canadians drive like 120mph

[Cortexian]

The Google estimate is based on posted limits, I usually do about 15-20 over, which is about 80mph (130kph). So probably like 11 hours.

It's only 696.56 miles.

[Cojafoji]

1150 km is like 710 miles...

[Cortexian]

It's 1,121 km...

[Cojafoji]

So you're calling me out on 29km? I was just rounding it off...

[PenGuin1362]

I can walk around with my rifle slung over my back all day if i want to.
VT and NH firearm laws are literally the best. can't beat em...unless you live in africa....or iraq....

[Bodzilla]

JN61gqFkCaU

[Warsaw]

Aw, that setup is fuckin' cheating man.

[TVTyrant]

Naw dawg. Bench rests are cool. At least in the US.

[Cojafoji]

Bench rests are for old timers and sighting. That, and if you have them, you can get better insurance rates.

[Cortexian]

Bench rests are for old timers and sighting.
Fixed that for you.

[TVTyrant]

True. But they are a useful tool for when your firing a rifle for the first time, wven without a scope. Its a necessary tool for shooting. However, I do agree that hunters ought to practice shooting from every position.

[Cortexian]

Nah, all hunters really need to "practice" is shooting from a standing position. If you can do that accurately you can shoot accurately from any of the easier positions.

[Spartan094]

http://i214.photobucket.com/albums/cc286/Brandon094/100_1893.jpg
Double Barrel Shotgun. Then again it's like from the 1800's...I think. Nobody in my family knows what the specs are. Other then its very old and you have to pull the lever from the bottom not the top to open it.

It's about 3ft and 5in long. Heres a picture to compare 2 other things.
http://i214.photobucket.com/albums/cc286/Brandon094/100_1900.jpg
Also yes that's a Glock 19 and a legit political German Nazi Sword you see :realsmug:
http://i214.photobucket.com/albums/cc286/Brandon094/100_1892.jpg

Glock 19
2nd generation
9x19
No safety locks
15 roundswont post the sword seeing its a shooter thread, not a stabbing or slashing thread. Unless you really wanna see it go ahead and ask me.

Also sorry for the vertical picture of the shotgun, only way I could get it in instead of being cut off from a good angle.

[TVTyrant]

Well, they should least know what the other positions are. A rested position is inherently more accurate, and if you don't know what one is, your going to have problems in the field.

[ICEE]

I have one of those swords, legit from ww1

[Cojafoji]

that shotgun needs care asap... clean that barrel, and polish that stock.

[Cagerrin]

why would you put a grenade next to an antique shotgun?

why is it that old guns are almost always infinitely better-looking than modern ones?

[ICEE]

I doubt that shotguns ever going to fire again no matter how clean you make it. It's probably black powder and at some obscure gauge

[Cojafoji]

Nah it's fine. He just needs solvent, an oily rag, a lot of elbow grease, and then some oil ftw.

Though the barrel probably needs rebluing at this point.

[Bodzilla]

http://i214.photobucket.com/albums/cc286/Brandon094/100_1893.jpg
Double Barrel Shotgun. Then again it's like from the 1800's...I think. Nobody in my family knows what the specs are. Other then its very old and you have to pull the lever from the bottom not the top to open it.

holly shit it's lock stock and two smoking barrels.

[Cojafoji]

holly shit it's lock stock and two smoking barrels.
Listen, Tom...

You point them at me, I'll shit myself or do whatever you say.

[Spartan094]

That shotgun is very old yes.


I doubt that shotguns ever going to fire again no matter how clean you make it. It's probably black powder and at some obscure gauge
This is very true. I do NOT want to fire it, thou I did manage to get a modern shotgun shell in it..and got stuck(wtf) and I tried to get it out and go other materials and got them stuck in it..fff (yes I know, danger danger) And I will get it out, just need some object to get out the other things.
Also look at this.
http://i214.photobucket.com/albums/cc286/Brandon094/100_1894.jpg
It's very old.

why would you put a grenade next to an antique shotgun?

why is it that old guns are almost always infinitely better-looking than modern ones?
They got more style to it, and arn't completely boring looking. And old guns weren't even made by machines in the 1800's.

[ICEE]

get some wire or something to push the stuff out..

[Cortexian]

Or just get a cleaning/unjamming rod since you should clean and oil that up if it's just lying around in storage.

[Cojafoji]

just because something's old, doesn't mean that you should never fire it again. plus, most gun stores (at least here in Pennsyltucky), are extremely accommodating when it comes to antique rifles and shot guns. though you're probably right, it might be better to let that sucker sit on display.

[rossmum]

Aw, that setup is fuckin' cheating man.
if i was rossmum (which i definitely am not!!!!!!) i would probably be using a benchrest to try and confirm that the front sight (which might have needed realignment but i do not know for sure as i am not rossmum!!!!) was at least vaguely close to centre

if i was rossmum (i'm not!!!!) i'd also be wondering if anyone here knows a good going rate for the appropriate front sight crimping tool and adjuster

[Warsaw]

Real men can adjust on the fly...:realsmug:

Also, is this (http://surplusrifle.com/reviews/lt2/index.asp) what you're talking about?

[rossmum]

i was more thinking the original tools that match the rifle as they seem better-suited to precision adjustments, and also using a pair of pliers to crack the adjustment screw nearly gave me a heart attack

[PenGuin1362]

So yeah, just bought a Springfield armory M1 Garand. Reciever, bolt, and stock are 1942, the barrel was replaced in 1955 (would rather have the newer bore anyway) pics will arrive soon : D

[ICEE]

So yeah, just bought a Springfield armory M1 Garand. Reciever, bolt, and stock are 1942, the barrel was replaced in 1955 (would rather have the newer bore anyway) pics will arrive soon : D

GGGOD I HATE YOU I HATE YOU D:

[paladin]

my dad just got a 4x32 Trijicon ACOG and rmr (http://www.trijicon.com/user/parts/products1.cfm?PartID=756&back_row=4&categoryID=3) for his LAR-15

Hopefully sometime this week we'll sight it in with pics

[rossmum]

So yeah, just bought a Springfield armory M1 Garand. Reciever, bolt, and stock are 1942, the barrel was replaced in 1955 (would rather have the newer bore anyway) pics will arrive soon : D
FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU

Videos too please :smith:

e/ oh and since I'm unbanned

http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/6962/bild0283.jpg
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http://img404.imageshack.us/img404/4079/bild0261.jpg

Proofs and shit (if Cyrano isn't worried about showing milsurp serials on TFR then I see no reason I should blank them here)
http://img195.imageshack.us/img195/5053/bild0289.jpg
http://img687.imageshack.us/img687/2716/bild0287.jpg
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[PenGuin1362]

will do, gunna break it down and give it a good thorough cleaning and oil it up before taking it out. also bore is shiny and deep as can be. love it

[rossmum]

Speaking of, mine was full of shit last time I went to shoot it and I'm completely befuddled as to why. I cleaned the shit out of it and gave it a light (but adequate) oiling before storing it for about two weeks in a safe inside. I went to shoot it and then had to clean it thoroughly (as in, went through at least 20 patches) because it looked like the bore was full of black hairy shit. At first I was crapping myself thinking it'd somehow rusted over, but upon actually getting it out it seems not to have been rust and it also seems to have done no visible damage to the rifling, but I still have no idea what did it. I wasn't shooting corrosive ammo and dad's rifles had the same issue, first time I've seen it happen.

I wouldn't be surprised if it was somehow my fault, but I cleaned all three rifles the way we were instructed at basic and I did a fucking thorough as shit job of it. Any ideas?

e/ Also Peng you totally missed out on the Extra Special Collectors' Edition Springfield Armory M1. A few guys on TFR who have them got theirs from a batch where someone fucked up the typeset for the receiver stampings, so they proudly declare themselves to be


U.S. RIFLE
CAL. .30 M1
SPRINGFIELD
AROMRY

[paladin]

http://img97.imageshack.us/img97/967/mmspicture4k.jpg

.22 short rifle. sighting in a new scope

[PenGuin1362]

those M1's actually sound hilarious. as for the crap, first of all I'd suggest getting a bore snake. I've used them myself and they are phenomenal. After a couple of tugs through the bore its clean and shiny as can be. What could be causing might be something inside the safe. Any collection of dust or dirt from other guns lying around, I had an old case that I kept my shotgun in and I realized that the fabric from the case had gotten inside the entire action and barrel. Promptly threw that away. So check your safe and what kind of solvent are you using?

Also for scope sighting, I'd suggest a bore laser. They cost like $30 and you don't have to waste the ammo, you need to fine tune it a bit with a round or two but it works great for quick and accurate sighting

[rossmum]

Using a fairly standard cleaning kit I picked up, nitro solvent followed by a brush and dry patches until they come out clean, then light oil if I'm storing it. Last time I left the bore dry, dad gave it a once-through with WD40 and said as of last night there was not a speck of crap to be seen so I'm wondering if it might be the oil just collecting dust. As far as I know there's nothing in there that would cause it to get so dirty that fast, but I could be wrong.

[paladin]

Also for scope sighting, I'd suggest a bore laser. They cost like $30 and you don't have to waste the ammo, you need to fine tune it a bit with a round or two but it works great for quick and accurate sighting

We have one, you still have to fire it to get it set correctly

[PenGuin1362]

Here's some quick phone cam pictures.


e: fuck your gay forum shot tags fucked it up. nvm then pics later

[rossmum]

Who else here finds themselves drawn to the SVU?

http://www.project-new-hope.com/upload/images/a2_yantar/svu-a_1.jpg

I have a thing for bullpups (understandably, since I work with them), but damn...

[Warsaw]

If they'd streamline that receiver into the buttstock and ditch the silencer, it would be awesome.

So I just got back from staffing at a 4-day 100th Anniversary Boy Scout Camporee at the Goshen Scout Reservation, Virginia. The dumb fucks set up a high-powered rifle range on top of a ridge, with the spinners and other targets set below. Behind them was a hiking trail, called the Kelso Trail, that has been used for the past 40 years. To make it worse, they didn't run a line around the perimeter of the range or put up warning signs to potential hikers that the area was a live-fire range. So we ended up with four Scouts who got lost (because the maps they were issued said West was North) ended up wandering through the range while it was active...it shouldn't have even been active at that time of day (this was the leaders being irresponsible and using up extra ammunition for no good reason other than their enjoyment). Ugh, they are damn lucky nobody got hit; .30-06 is not something you can just walk away from.

[/rant]

[rossmum]

I think I can top that one. A corporal who was on ammo picquet with us during one training weekend was led onto a live-ordnance RAAF bombing range by his secco during his junior leader's course :ugh:

[ICEE]

Penguin hasn't posted the m1 pics yet. This obviously means he doesn't have it and was lying.

[rossmum]

He posted one on Facebook

[PenGuin1362]

twat

http://img696.imageshack.us/img696/5166/20100530115735.jpg

http://img691.imageshack.us/img691/1779/20100530120213.jpg

http://img42.imageshack.us/img42/6423/20100529160553.jpg

http://img179.imageshack.us/img179/9695/20100530115757.jpg

[ICEE]

twat

http://img696.imageshack.us/img696/5166/20100530115735.jpg

http://img691.imageshack.us/img691/1779/20100530120213.jpg

http://img42.imageshack.us/img42/6423/20100529160553.jpg

http://img179.imageshack.us/img179/9695/20100530115757.jpg

:D I believed you the whole time sir

[PenGuin1362]

alright you hookers http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=584550801#!/video/video.php?v=425772190801&ref=mf dont feel like dealing with youtube at the moment

[paladin]

Sweet. Where were you shooting? Just a vacant field? I need someone to come with me tomorrow when I take out my dads lar15. I cant fire and film at the same time.

[paladin]

http://img149.imageshack.us/img149/2626/mmspicture.jpg

Colt model 1889 DA 4" $125...

[Warsaw]

Is it in firing condition?

[rossmum]

Nice trigger discipline, faggot.

how is it so cheap goddamn

[paladin]

Is it in firing condition?

Yeah. Besides part of the rubber handle being broken off, the gun is in excellent condition and fires fine.


Nice trigger discipline, faggot.

how is it so cheap goddamn

I got a good deal from a dealer my girlfriends dad does business with all the time.

[Warsaw]

Awesome. I asked because you got it for such a low price, but that question's now been taken care of.

[paladin]

Yeah, its been in a steamer trunk for the past 70 years. I had to clean the bore, but other than that it was clean. I gave it a quick polish. Ill post more pics next time I have my safe open.

[paladin]

RRA lar-15 m4 w/ Trijicon 4x ACOG + red dot
http://img293.imageshack.us/img293/3307/mmspicture2.jpg
http://img824.imageshack.us/img824/6743/mmspicture3.jpg
http://img229.imageshack.us/img229/1628/mmspicture4.jpg

Short barrel .22 w/ 4x scope
http://img714.imageshack.us/img714/5246/mmspicture5.jpg

[sleepy1212]

how do like the red dot? old man might be getting one for his SW-M&P AR15.

[rossmum]

If you intend on keeping that ACOG mounted, lose the almost-carry-handle. It serves no purpose other than to give you a retardedly high cheekweld and add weight to the rifle; it also looks ridiculous.

Went on another Enfield/camera rampage, but can't upload them all due to being on dad's horrific internet. Also got two webbing slings and a front sight adjuster on the way, also hoping to pick up a bayonet from a bloke down in Sydney.

http://img824.imageshack.us/img824/1638/bild1533.jpg
:allears:

http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/5201/bild1563.jpg
2L plastic milk jug hit from 150m, note fuck-off exit hole. We filled it up first so it blew up pretty good when I finally hit it (shit with irons).

[paladin]

If you intend on keeping that ACOG mounted, lose the almost-carry-handle. It serves no purpose other than to give you a retardedly high cheekweld and add weight to the rifle; it also looks ridiculous.
:allears:


I would except when the front iron sight blocks your view, its a little hard to aim down range.

As for the red dot sleepy, its useless for target shooting when you at more than 50 yards. It came already attached to the acog.

[rossmum]

I'd expect it to be useless at any sort of range, it's intended as a CQB sight, not a primary sight.

In what way is the front sight getting in the way? Is it just blocking some of your sight picture, or is it actually in the way of the reticle? If it's the former, it doesn't really matter... in the case of the latter I'd pull it and get a folding backup (although I guess you wouldn't actually need one, you're only going down to the range with it I assume).

[SnaFuBAR]

ross, with the ar-15 style platform, the front sight is high. you of all people should know that. it's necessary to mount it above the carry handle to actually have some sort of sight picture, otherwise he would have to get a folding front sight and BUIS in order to not have an obstructed sight picture.

[rossmum]

I know it's high, but surely a simple spacer or something would be that much better than that mess of a thing?

[Cojafoji]

Mmmm Ross, that's a nice one. A friend of mine had one of them, though some butcher shortened the stock. It was a fucking blast to shoot.

[paladin]

without the added height, looking through the acog looks as so...

http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/1084/sghty.jpg

Possibly even more blocking, I dont remember exactly how much it did... None the less, it was in the way, thus the added height.

[rossmum]

Mmmm Ross, that's a nice one. A friend of mine had one of them, though some butcher shortened the stock. It was a fucking blast to shoot.
Sporterising or otherwise fucking with milsurp is one of the things that can make me go from liking a person to wanting to strangle them in ten seconds flat. Even things like wartime M91/30s or Yugo Kar98Ks of all things... it's just not something you do. If you want a deer rifle, either buy one designed for the purpose or deal with the extra weight like a man (No.4 unloaded and without bayonet weighs about 9lbs, marginally less than the current-gen F88 Austeyr without any attachments beyond the issued 1.5x sight). Don't take something older than you are and probably with an interesting history, then strip it of its original furniture, lop off the original sights, drill and tap it and then demand five times what you paid for it when you finally decide to sell it. Someone on TFR found a guy selling a sporterised Mosin-Nagant which had serious rust issues (I doubt the guy ever cleaned it, and external rust that bad hints at internal rust far, far worse, particularly if he's been shooting corrosive surplus) and an atrocious weld job on the bolt handle (since it was a straight-bolt rifle, but he mounted a scope). This is bad enough, but words cannot describe the feeling I experienced as I spotted the serrated rear sight ramp and the Latin letters "TON" scrolling across the right side of the barrel shank.

Yes, it was a Remington-made rifle, shipped to Russia around the same time as the Revolution. Only a few hundred were made by Remington from what I recall and they are worth a fucking lot, both sentimentally and monetarily. The guy was demanding $400 for this suicidal-thought-inducing example of Fudd-ism.

If you buy a milsurp rifle, the only acceptable modification? Absolutely fucking nothing.


without the added height, looking through the acog looks as so...

http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/1084/sghty.jpg

Possibly even more blocking, I dont remember exactly how much it did... None the less, it was in the way, thus the added height.
Oh, so it's one of those ACOGs. Forgive me; the last few years of modern warfare techwank shooters have made me forget they came with anything other than chevron reticles. Either way, it doesn't look too terrible; perhaps not entirely convenient, but if you can still see your target, fuck it. Am I right in assuming this is a range queen and not likely to be used for home defence or similar? If so, I suggest selling off the Docter and using the profits for something more suitable. You don't need it unless you intend on transitioning from mid-range work to room clearance in a life-or-death situation. It has no application outside combat aside from making you look silly to anyone other than MW2 fanboys.

[Cojafoji]

well, believe it or not, the modification looks as if it were done professionally, so it doesn't take away from the general charm of the firearm, and it's also been immaculately maintained. but yeah, for every meh modification you get, you get 10 botched jobs. when i was looking for an m1 tanker, you would not BELIEVE the cock stuffers who were trying to pass off a sawed up m1 as real. i mean, some of these guys just took a grinder and took off 10 inches, without rebluing the fucking barrel.

[rossmum]

Professional or not, tampering with milsurp in any way is an abhorrent practice and should be looked down upon with the greatest distaste. If you want to fuck around or 'improve' a rifle, buy an AR and whack shit onto rails. Nobody cares about fucking with guns which are still in mass production and common as shit.

[PenGuin1362]

I agree I hate the fact that people sporterize historic firearms. I ruins everything about them. Also I'm torn on what to buy next summer, MG42 that has been de-milled and re-welded to fire semi auto, or a G43 or SVT-40...tough decisions....

[rossmum]

Go with the G43, they're considerably rarer than the SVT. Don't get a neutered MG42.

[rossmum]

HI WHO WANTS TO SEE MORE PHOTOS OF MY BEAUTIFUL RIFLE

NOBODY? TOO FUCKIN BAD I DO

http://project-new-hope.com/upload/images/enfield/BILD1483.JPG
http://project-new-hope.com/upload/images/enfield/BILD1484.JPG
http://project-new-hope.com/upload/images/enfield/BILD1485.JPG
http://project-new-hope.com/upload/images/enfield/BILD1486.JPG
http://project-new-hope.com/upload/images/enfield/BILD1488.JPG
http://project-new-hope.com/upload/images/enfield/BILD1491.JPG
http://project-new-hope.com/upload/images/enfield/BILD1508.JPG
http://project-new-hope.com/upload/images/enfield/BILD1513.JPG
http://project-new-hope.com/upload/images/enfield/BILD1531.jpg
OH NO SERIALS etc

It's just so beautiful and photogenic, I can't stop :ohdear:

[p0lar_bear]

Is that an Enfield between your legs or are you just happy to see us?

[TeeKup]

That's a gorgeous gun ross.

It, however, is not a Springfield 1903. My dream rifle to own.

[rossmum]

I, too, wish to own a 1903. :smith:

[PenGuin1362]

guess who can get a ww2 1903 for about $700 whenever he wants......this guy :D

just thought i'd rub in the fact that your gun laws suck. Also Chicago's ban on hand guns was lifted today after 28 years.

[rossmum]

Oh I could get one... if I could find one.

[Dwood]

That's a gorgeous gun ross.

It, however, is not a Springfield 1903. My dream rifle to own.

I once wrote a WWI report on them.

[PenGuin1362]

again, i direct you too gunbroker.com Ross. Unless you're not allowed to have firearms mailed in ausfailia. in the US you have to have them shipped to a dealer

[rossmum]

I'm fairly sure you can import them but there's some retardedly long, complex, and costly process involved. I know there are 1903s here, I just don't know where. It's hard to find even a 91/30 for Enfields here they're so numerous.

[TeeKup]

guess who can get a ww2 1903 for about $700 whenever he wants......this guy :D

just thought i'd rub in the fact that your gun laws suck. Also Chicago's ban on hand guns was lifted today after 28 years.

You fucker don't make me jealous.

[rossmum]

Since we're going to play the gloating game,

Guess who just got a volunteer position at the Lithgow Small Arms Factory Museum? Where there are literally hundreds of rare guns, including one of the very fucking few EM-2s, complete with its original bayonet? :realsmug:

[paladin]

You guys and your shitty old rifles. its 2010, my lar15 would annihilate you in any encounter.

[rossmum]

Pretty sure the MG42 in there will rape the shit out of you

Or the ADEN gun

Or the M2

Or the Hispano

Or the DShK

[TeeKup]

The EM-2 looks a lot like the SA-80. Gotta say though, I like EM-2 better. Something about the SA-80 make's it seem "heavy" to me.

Probably all that time from MW2 using the SA-80 LSW....

[rossmum]

They're both retardedly accurate and (now HK overhauled the L85A1 to A2 standard and made it actually work) pretty decent rifles, but yeah, I seem to recall the L85 being a bit heavy. That said, the F88SA1 weighs in at 4.3kg unloaded (more than my No.4 and not much different to an SLR), and it's pretty comfy to handle and shoot. It's well-balanced I guess. The weight comes from the fuckoff huge block of solid steel that is the receiver... you could drive a tank over it.

The EM-2 is way better than the L85 though and although they look similar they operate very, very differently. The .280 round was also a shit-ton more potent than the 5.56 and was what the SLR was originally designed around; when America threw a hissy fit and forced NATO to standardise on 7.62x51 (the US military stubbornly sticking to obsolete tech and doctrines? No way!) the SLR could be easily converted, the EM-2 couldn't. It's one of the main reasons I fucking hate the decisionmakers in the US, and it gypped the Poms out of an amazing piece of kit. At least they then adopted the SLR, which went on to become one of the greatest rifles ever designed (as with most FN work). I can only imagine how godlike it would've been if it had stayed .280. Of course, the US was (and to a large extent, still is) a big fucking baby about adopting foreign designs (read: why they never employed Sherman Fireflies on any grand scale like they should have), so they went with the M14... a tarted-up target rifle. It's good at that, but it was a fucking terrible weapon to fight with.

Enough blubbering about past stupidity, here's some content:

http://www.project-new-hope.com/upload/images/101NIN02/101NIN02/HNI_0018.JPG
An SMLE from every year SAF Lithgow made them except 1937

http://www.project-new-hope.com/upload/images/101NIN02/101NIN02/HNI_0022.JPG
Yes. That is an MG42.

http://www.project-new-hope.com/upload/images/101NIN02/101NIN02/HNI_0025.JPG
SO MANY MGS

http://www.project-new-hope.com/upload/images/101NIN02/101NIN02/HNI_0028.JPG
FG42 Type 2. Are you jealous yet? You should be.

http://www.project-new-hope.com/upload/images/101NIN02/101NIN02/HNI_0029.JPG
MG34

http://www.project-new-hope.com/upload/images/101NIN02/101NIN02/HNI_0036.JPG
A fraction of their collection of Enfields

http://www.project-new-hope.com/upload/images/101NIN02/101NIN02/HNI_0038.JPG
PPSh41, AK-47, EM-2 (:woop:)

http://www.project-new-hope.com/upload/images/101NIN02/101NIN02/HNI_0063.JPG
FNC, StG44

http://www.project-new-hope.com/upload/images/101NIN02/101NIN02/HNI_0067.JPG
You can probably tell from how comfy I look holding the Steyr that it's an integral part of my job

http://www.project-new-hope.com/upload/images/101NIN02/101NIN02/HNI_0070.JPG
The Owen gun, an Australian invention and arguably the single most reliable weapon of WWII. It beat the two main Tommy gun variants, the M55 Riesing (sp?), and the Sten by an order of magnitude in reliability testing. It fired after they filled it with river mud. Never underestimate guns designed in suburban backyards.

http://www.project-new-hope.com/upload/images/101NIN02/101NIN02/HNI_0077.JPG
The previous generation of digs' best mate, the L1A1 SLR

http://www.project-new-hope.com/upload/images/101NIN02/101NIN02/HNI_0079.JPG
Miniature of a fuckoff statue we put up in France after WWI. For those who can't tell, it's a digger bayonetting the German eagle. Apparently the Jerries didn't take too kindly to this, and trashed the statue when they invaded in 1940; from what I recall we then put another up after WWII, but this time of a dig carrying his wounded mate. Don't quote me on that though, that may have been another statue entirely.

[TeeKup]

I WANT TO WORK THERE.

Also I too never understood why adopting foreign weapon designs gave the US such a fucking hissy fit. Honestly I'll never understand. If it works better...fucking use it.

[rossmum]

Because everyone knows that AMERICA MAKES THE BEST EVERYTHING :downs:

[ICEE]

Because everyone knows that AMERICA MAKES THE BEST EVERYTHING :downs:

HEY, we're REALLY good at making messes (http://www.hardscrabblefarm.com/images/vietnam/manual-of-arms/m16-26.jpg).

[SnaFuBAR]

We use a lot of belgian and italian firearms wtf are you talking about

Also, ross, that's funny. I seem to recall someone tauting browning high-power supremacy also, M2.

[rossmum]

We use a lot of belgian and italian firearms wtf are you talking about

Also, ross, that's funny. I seem to recall someone tauting browning high-power supremacy also, M2.
It's mainly the US Army that's the problem. While the USAF was gladly taking orders of Spitfires and Mosquitoes (largely for aerial recce), the Army point-blank refused to employ the Sherman Firefly. They couldn't give a shit how many tankers' lives it would save or how many Tigers it would knock out, they absolutely would not allow a foreign gun in their tanks. The 17pdr was essentially a British 88 and it was the closest weapon the Allies had to the aforementioned until the Pershing turned up almost too late for the party. After the war, .280 was looking to be a real winner and what would become the EU were all in for using it. Two phenominal rifles had been designed around it (the EM-2 and what would later become the FAL). American brass, however, was too profoundly dumb to realise that full-size rifles were obsolete and stubbornly refused to standardise on these fuckin' upstart limey moon bullets. Churchill couldn't risk a bitchfight with the US at that point (Britain was in an absolute shit state after the war, and remained so for decades - they were still rationing for quite a while), so he had to cave. NATO standardised on 7.62x51 and while the FAL was easily updated to chamber the larger round, the EM-2 could not be. It was scrapped after only 57 or so examples were made. By the way, before America's hissyfit, it had been accepted into service as the Rifle, Automatic, No.9 Mk.1. So much for that. Nearly everyone in Europe (and many other countries around the world) realise what a remarkable piece of kit the FAL is and adopt it without a second thought. The US refuses once again to adopt a foreign rifle, and after essentially rigging the trials by throwing all kinds of fucking retarded (and obsolete) requirements in, such as the necessity for stripper clip reloading ability, it selected a magazine-fed, slightly modified M1 (which, by the way, had always been touted as AMERICA'S MIRACLE GUN despite Garand being a Canadian). It was heavy, not very ergonomic, and had a rather odd stripping process. The SLR (which I can vouch for personally) handles nicely, is remarkably light for its size and is easy to strip.

Fast forward a grand total of one decade, and Vietnam shows the American brass that fuck, full powered rifles should've gone the way of WWII and ended in the 40s. Colt rushes out an updated Armalite design which, while pretty nice in theory, isn't exactly suited to combat yet (much less in the jungle). The Army is still hellbent on being retarded, and deliberately try to sabotage the program so they can keep their M14s. The M16 is extremely unreliable, requires frequent maintenance, and is issued without any of the tools needed for the aforementioned. Scores of US troops are found dead, their M16s broken open over their laps as they were trying to clear obstructions or other jams. Eventually this kicks everyone into gear, and a series of design revisions and the issuing of cleaning kits and handbooks sees the M16 become the fairly reliable and relatively well-liked rifle it is today. The biggest remaining complaint is that 5.56 is underpowered, which would've been a fucking non-issue if the US had just swallowed their goddamned pride and adopted the .280, which had far superior ballistics and terminal effect.

Yes, America does now use foreign equipment, but it's still retarded. The decision to adopt the M9 was political as all fuck, because that thing is huge, easily filled with crap thanks to its open slide, and heavy. As a civvie pistol, it's nice. As a military sidearm, it's a fucking shitstorm. If they had any sense, they'd have adopted the BHP.

Also JMB was a fucking genius okay, you can't blame me for loving everything he ever made. At the same time, America hasn't really produced anything I'd lord over anything else since. The AR is okay but about as over-hyped as anything can be. The ACR is nice but the US military procurement system being what it is, I can't see it entering widespread use any time soon. The British still make the most accurate rifles, the Russians the most reliable gear, and the Belgians the best machine guns (Germany hasn't had a really good one since the MG42/MG3).

[PenGuin1362]

M1 garand ftw : D ...m14 as well...and m60...we seemed to do it right prior 1970's....minus the m16

[rossmum]

The M1 is the only legitimately good military gun out of that entire list. The M14 should've been relegated to competition target shooting and the FAL should have been adopted over it, but nope, the US issued their troops a full-size target rifle in a jungle war. The M60 was unreliable to start with and even after the problem had been corrected, it was still vastly inferior to both the gun it stole most of its working features from (the MG42) and the immediate competition (the MAG-58).

[PenGuin1362]

it still had the stopping power that the modern m249 seriously lacks

[rossmum]

Again, MAG.

[PenGuin1362]

fuck it, lets just use the mg42, if we cant get them with accuracy, we'll sure as fuck saw their limbs off

[rossmum]

Why the fuck not? Various other countries still use it in the form of the MG3 :haw:

(Shit, even we had some back before we replaced our Leos)

[rossmum]

FUCK reposting all of this

http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3328914

from today's shift at the museum attached to lithgow small arms factory (australia's equivalent of springfield armory or enfield lock basically)

[PenGuin1362]

on the subject of guns, just got about 240 M2 Ball rounds from like the 60's >_> still in a spam can. Time to go fuck up more shit.

[rossmum]

c/p from my tfr post because :effort:

Guys! Guys! I just got something in the mail! It's from home! http://sae.tweek.us/static/images/emoticons/emot-canada.gif

http://www.project-new-hope.com/upload/images/enfield/bayo/BILD0373.jpg
What? Cleaning tools? I don't remember ordering any cleaning tools...

Maybe I'll open it anyway. It feels pretty big and solid, whatever it is. I guess it's something I could find a use for anyway.

http://www.project-new-hope.com/upload/images/enfield/bayo/BILD0374.jpg
That doesn't look like a cleaning tool... and why does it smell like cosmoline?

http://www.project-new-hope.com/upload/images/enfield/bayo/BILD0375.jpg
FUCK, I BROKE IT! No, wait, I think that's meant to come off. It's some kind of guard. Hey, look. Maybe it's some kind of flashy screwdriver like we were all just talking about?

http://www.project-new-hope.com/upload/images/enfield/bayo/BILD0376.jpg
OH LAWDY :toot:

Now I can give 'em the old cold steel. They do not like it up 'em, no sir, they do not! *stabs ceiling, covers self in plaster*

[rossmum]

also have some more pretty pictures

http://www.project-new-hope.com/upload/images/enfield/BILD0313.JPG

http://www.project-new-hope.com/upload/images/enfield/BILD0312.JPG

Will get some of the bayonet fixed next time I go down, as well as some warry ones if I can find a sandbag to stab the shit out of. Having a pretty rifle is great, because it also means I get some motivation to improve my photography from 'abysmal' to 'just plain bad'.

[vistea]

This thread makes me want to get my PAL. Like, now.

[Boba]

sure wish i was cool enough to have military weapons but oh well!!

http://i251.photobucket.com/albums/gg319/BobaTheFett76/Mobile%20Uploads/07-20-10_1728.jpg

begin insulting me for my shitty firearms

(right one is .45 left is .50)

[Cojafoji]

black powder = pwnage.

[rossmum]

goddamn, son

we got some owners in here

[iizahsum]

Jesus Ross your pics of the PPSh41, MG42, and FG42 gave me a raging hard on. You are really lucky to get to see this masterpieces.

[PenGuin1362]

attention gun lovers. Advanced Armament Company is awesome. And if you need more proof as to why, this is an awesome campaign slogan...so i bought the poster.

https://www.advanced-armament.com/product.aspx?pid=713

[rossmum]

Holy fuck, that owns.

[Donut]

kind of bumping the thread here, but i took some pictures of two of the rifles i have

http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s277/TheKillerDonut/IRLguns/P1040265.jpg
yes, that is a guitar case

http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s277/TheKillerDonut/IRLguns/P1040266.jpg
im pretty sure this is an ak47 with a cool stock. the stock has a small crack in it though, so thats why theres a rubber band on it. we have 1600 rounds of armor piercing ammo for it. i dont know where it all came from, and im not sure if i want to know. all thats certain is that it kicks ass. i shot a little spinner target (meant for .22) with it. the spinner flew about 50 feet up into the air and landed a few yards away from where it was planted with a perfectly round hole in it

http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s277/TheKillerDonut/IRLguns/P1040270.jpg
this is a folding stock SKS. sorry for the blur on the barrel. apparently my camera turned itself on macro mode :raise:

http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s277/TheKillerDonut/IRLguns/P1040272.jpg
i dont know if you guys care about these, but here are some ak mags (with a little revolver too :iamafag:)
theres an 80 round drum magazine for that ak around here somewhere, but i dont know where it is.

[Cojafoji]

it's not that expensive to buy an original stock. you should pick one up. i'd never ever, ever fire a rifle with a damaged stock for fear that the recoil would cause it to splinter. into my body. foreign objects, as any man who has suffered a puncture wound will tell you, do not agree with the human body, unless it's a dildo. and it's in the face, ass, vag, or smookaporra.

[ICEE]

donut has all the cool guns. fuck. You should take a day and upload photos of all the guns/explosives/applicable ordinance you find in your house

[paladin]

Some make an anonymous phone call to ATF..